Bendy light: The maths

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #90 on: August 25, 2008, 01:13:05 PM »
I have some pictures of the particle accelerator at Cornell University that I personally took.  If I were to post them, would that be credible evidence that particle accelerators exist?

TB reply: Did you personally log the RGB values from each pixel of the CCD yourself?

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #91 on: August 25, 2008, 05:16:35 PM »
Whoah....RS, that was an unexpected response.

Playing the conspiracy card is beneath you. You are more imaginative that that.

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #92 on: August 25, 2008, 05:19:35 PM »
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What about particle colliders? These things are built flat right? With the LHC does that mean we can't see the end because the light has curved up? By end I mean before it curves around. Apparently it is supposed to appear straight

What makes you think that they're build flat? Particle Accelerators are several miles long and allegedly bend along the curvature of the earth.

So yes, a photon emitted from one end would arrive at a higher altitude at the other end in both RE and FE + EA.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #93 on: August 26, 2008, 03:03:06 AM »
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What about particle colliders? These things are built flat right? With the LHC does that mean we can't see the end because the light has curved up? By end I mean before it curves around. Apparently it is supposed to appear straight

What makes you think that they're build flat? Particle Accelerators are several miles long and allegedly bend along the curvature of the earth.

So yes, a photon emitted from one end would arrive at a higher altitude at the other end in both RE and FE + EA. The physicists just compensate by placing the detector where the particles arrive.

You don't really seem to understand how particle accelerators work.

They're circular, the particles travel in a beam and travel around the accelerator several hundred or thousand times before emerging. This wouldn't be possible if light were constantly accelerating upwards. You can't claim they're part of the conspiracy either -- most universities (including mine) have a cyclotron.

On the basis of circular particle accelerators, I think we can declare EAT dead.

EDIT: CHanged synchrotron to cyclotron.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #94 on: August 26, 2008, 03:15:42 AM »
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They're circular, the particles travel in a beam and travel around the accelerator several hundred or thousand times before emerging. This wouldn't be possible if light were constantly accelerating upwards.

Those particles are traveling through something similar to fiber optic cables, where if the beam or particle deviates from its course, it just bounces back into its correct path.

Those particles aren't exactly traveling in a free open environment to the detector.

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On the basis of circular particle accelerators, I think we can declare EAT dead.

Obviously the particles are bouncing against the sides of something to follow the layout of the particle accelerator. Did you think that particles naturally traveled in big circles?

There goes your argument.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #95 on: August 26, 2008, 03:25:56 AM »
I have some pictures of the particle accelerator at Cornell University that I personally took.  If I were to post them, would that be credible evidence that particle accelerators exist?

Oh, there are structures that are supposed to resemble particle accelerators. They're duds; they don't perform any functions whatsoever. So no, pictures will not prove anything.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #96 on: August 26, 2008, 03:40:44 AM »
Oh, there are structures that are supposed to resemble particle accelerators. They're duds; they don't perform any functions whatsoever. So no, pictures will not prove anything.

Must be another part of the conspiracy.  Nefarious universities building fake accelerators to get government funding.  Of course, it makes you wonder why the international community, which "knows" about the conspiracy ever approved funding for the super-collider in Switzerland.

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #97 on: August 26, 2008, 03:55:45 AM »
Of course, it makes you wonder why the international community, which "knows" about the conspiracy ever approved funding for the super-collider in Switzerland.

To make the conspiracy seem more plausible.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #98 on: August 26, 2008, 06:32:13 AM »
I have some pictures of the particle accelerator at Cornell University that I personally took.  If I were to post them, would that be credible evidence that particle accelerators exist?

Oh, there are structures that are supposed to resemble particle accelerators. They're duds; they don't perform any functions whatsoever. So no, pictures will not prove anything.

But Tom seems to think that particle accelerators exist.  And you say RE'ers can't keep their stories straight.   ::)
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #99 on: August 26, 2008, 07:53:56 AM »
Lol@Tom's understanding of physics.

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They're circular, the particles travel in a beam and travel around the accelerator several hundred or thousand times before emerging. This wouldn't be possible if light were constantly accelerating upwards.

Those particles are traveling through something similar to fiber optic cables, where if the beam or particle deviates from its course, it just bounces back into its correct path.

Those particles aren't exactly traveling in a free open environment to the detector.

What kind of cable could contain a beam of high energy particles? This is madness!

The reason particles travel in circular paths is because they are being directed by powerful magnetic fields. Ever noticed particle accelerators only accelerate ions?
The LHC uses 96 tonnes of liquid helium to keep the supeconducting magnets cool.

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On the basis of circular particle accelerators, I think we can declare EAT dead.

Obviously the particles are bouncing against the sides of something to follow the layout of the particle accelerator. Did you think that particles naturally traveled in big circles?

Particles do not "bounce" when they're travelling at significant fractions of the speed of light. As I've said, they're path is circular because of magnets.

There goes my argument.

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #100 on: August 26, 2008, 08:58:14 AM »
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So a guy you have know [sic] for a while having a sister who is working on something lends it credibility, does it? How about you show me some primary evidence for its existence instead?



I happen to be there at the TUM. It looks quite real to me ;)


P.S. did i mention i have just been granted a new BMW 535d for saying that!? Yay me :D
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #101 on: August 26, 2008, 09:16:33 AM »
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What kind of cable could contain a beam of high energy particles? This is madness!

The reason particles travel in circular paths is because they are being directed by powerful magnetic fields. Ever noticed particle accelerators only accelerate ions?

Well there's your answer. The particles in a particle accelerator don't travel upwards and escape the facility by EA because they're being constantly pulled to follow the layout of the facility by strong magnetic fields all around them.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #102 on: August 26, 2008, 09:30:18 AM »
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What kind of cable could contain a beam of high energy particles? This is madness!

The reason particles travel in circular paths is because they are being directed by powerful magnetic fields. Ever noticed particle accelerators only accelerate ions?

Well there's your answer. The particles in a particle accelerator don't travel upwards and escape the facility by EA because they're being constantly pulled to follow the layout of the facility by strong magnetic fields all around them.

Sorry if this as been said before but...

Tom, isn't this whole upward bendy effect completely incompatible with you own observations?   You have said that you can see children playing on a beach 30 miles away.

Surely your observations falsify this bendy hypotheses?  Or are your own observations now in doubt?
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #103 on: August 26, 2008, 09:59:23 AM »
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Tom, isn't this whole upward bendy effect completely incompatible with you own observations?   You have said that you can see children playing on a beach 30 miles away.

Surely your observations falsify this bendy hypotheses?  Or are your own observations now in doubt?

If EA is correct, then it just makes such observations of being able to see past the curvature of the earth nothing more than a curiosity.

Perhaps refraction did it, as I'm so very often told.

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #104 on: August 26, 2008, 11:07:12 AM »
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Tom, isn't this whole upward bendy effect completely incompatible with you own observations?   You have said that you can see children playing on a beach 30 miles away.

Surely your observations falsify this bendy hypotheses?  Or are your own observations now in doubt?

If EA is correct, then it just makes such observations of being able to see past the curvature of the earth nothing more than a curiosity.

Perhaps refraction did it, as I'm so very often told.

In other words, you don't know and don't care what did it.  You'll just go with whatever FE nonsense is first on your cut and paste list.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #105 on: August 26, 2008, 11:12:39 AM »
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In other words, you don't know and don't care what did it.  You'll just go with whatever FE nonsense is first on your cut and paste list.

I concur, of all the nonsense I read on here, Toms is legendary in it's sheer buffoonary!

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #106 on: August 26, 2008, 12:17:59 PM »
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Tom, isn't this whole upward bendy effect completely incompatible with you own observations?   You have said that you can see children playing on a beach 30 miles away.

Surely your observations falsify this bendy hypotheses?  Or are your own observations now in doubt?

If EA is correct, then it just makes such observations of being able to see past the curvature of the earth nothing more than a curiosity.

Perhaps refraction did it, as I'm so very often told.

The fact is (and not wishing to sound too dramatic) that FET is now a theory in crisis.

FE followers are now admitting (via the bendy hypotheses) that the world does indeed "look" round, even if it does not.  This is a complete departure from the traditional line (a la Rowothem) that the earth is found to be flat through simple observation.


I haven't performed it and I've never claimed to. I've have trouble being in two places at the same time.

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #107 on: August 26, 2008, 12:45:23 PM »
No crisis, just change.
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #108 on: August 26, 2008, 12:48:42 PM »
No crisis, just change.

The next change will be that flat is actually a synonym for round, and therefore flat earth theory, is in fact claiming that the earth is round.

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #109 on: August 26, 2008, 12:59:22 PM »
That would require a somewhat significant change, so no.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #110 on: August 26, 2008, 02:58:14 PM »
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What kind of cable could contain a beam of high energy particles? This is madness!

The reason particles travel in circular paths is because they are being directed by powerful magnetic fields. Ever noticed particle accelerators only accelerate ions?

Well there's your answer. The particles in a particle accelerator don't travel upwards and escape the facility by EA because they're being constantly pulled to follow the layout of the facility by strong magnetic fields all around them.

Shoot, just realised my argument is worthless. EA doesn't affect particles! That was silly of me.

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #111 on: August 26, 2008, 07:23:47 PM »
Yeah realised it also.


So Robosteve... if EA doesn't affect PA......why are they fake?

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #112 on: August 26, 2008, 08:12:07 PM »
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So a guy you have know [sic] for a while having a sister who is working on something lends it credibility, does it? How about you show me some primary evidence for its existence instead?



I happen to be there at the TUM. It looks quite real to me ;)


P.S. did i mention i have just been granted a new BMW 535d for saying that!? Yay me :D

How can you prove that what is shown in that picture performs any sort of function whatsoever?

So Robosteve... if EA doesn't affect PA......why are they fake?

For people to make money.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #113 on: August 27, 2008, 01:29:01 AM »
But you are saying they are part of a conspiracy to make money separate from the FE conspiracy?

How many of these are there?

What about the AIDS virus? Is that a conspiracy to generate funding? I'm just interested in why you believe a conspiracy is the most likely reason for something to exist.

If they wanted money then a casino would be an easier way to do it. Open enough of them. You don't even have to fight for funding.

Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #114 on: August 27, 2008, 01:34:02 AM »
If they wanted money then a casino would be an easier way to do it. Open enough of them. You don't even have to fight for funding.

Isn't that a lottery?

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« Reply #115 on: August 27, 2008, 05:25:15 AM »
A conspiracy only exists if you believe in it. Stop believe in the conspiracy and it will go away.

ps. FE is a conspiracy too. Motive? To make money. How? Generating traffic, pr, exposure and getting followers.. What sick cult are you planning to build FE'ers?!
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #116 on: August 27, 2008, 06:52:39 AM »
How do any of us make money? There are no ads or donations or anything, and hosting costs mean poor Daniel has to pay hundreds of quid for you to spam with this shit.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #117 on: August 27, 2008, 06:57:46 AM »
How do any of us make money? There are no ads or donations or anything, and hosting costs mean poor Daniel has to pay hundreds of quid for you to spam with this shit.

But that has to be the motive.  Isn't money always the motive behind things?  What else could explain it?

Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #118 on: August 27, 2008, 07:53:19 AM »
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How can you prove that what is shown in that picture performs any sort of function whatsoever?

I and my brother have experiments there... as well as in the FRM II :)

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #119 on: August 27, 2008, 07:11:00 PM »
You have no idea what you are talking about.  There is A guy I have know for a while, his sister is over in France right now working on The Large Hadron Collider.  It is real so stop making shit up.

So a guy you have know [sic] for a while having a sister who is working on something lends it credibility, does it? How about you show me some primary evidence for its existence instead?

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