Bendy light: The maths

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2008, 10:50:41 AM »
This zigzag effect will probably be of greater significance to the time it takes the light to go from one end to the other than will the shape of the Earth.

Oh, well, if it's "probably" going to be of greater significance, then let's just assume it does.

Again, this site is just satirical. You guys enjoy freaking all of these people out. People see that you "believe" the Earth is flat, their brains melt out of their ears when they see the sheer stupidity of the argument, and you enjoy a silent laugh for having trolled someone THAT hard.


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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2008, 01:05:48 PM »
So I have a bending light math question.  In the FE, light makes it from the sun to the earth in as little as .01 seconds to around .04 seconds.  How do we not notice the EA as it would have to be super strong? 

We have nothing to compare it to. We have never seen the sun unaffected by the EA.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2008, 01:23:08 PM »
So I have a bending light math question.  In the FE, light makes it from the sun to the earth in as little as .01 seconds to around .04 seconds.  How do we not notice the EA as it would have to be super strong? 

We have nothing to compare it to. We have never seen the sun unaffected by the EA.

Then it seems that you are going to have a lot of fun testing your theory.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2008, 05:05:14 PM »
So I have a bending light math question.  In the FE, light makes it from the sun to the earth in as little as .01 seconds to around .04 seconds.  How do we not notice the EA as it would have to be super strong? 

We have nothing to compare it to. We have never seen the sun unaffected by the EA.

But I thought you claim vertical light is unaffected.
Also why did you not acknowledge the fact that the EA would have to be super strong?   
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2008, 05:10:13 PM »
But I thought you claim vertical light is unaffected.
Also why did you not acknowledge the fact that the EA would have to be super strong?   

Vertical light is unaffected. And the EA is quite probably super strong, in terms of the acceleration it causes as a function of time.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2008, 05:19:11 PM »
But I thought you claim vertical light is unaffected.
Also why did you not acknowledge the fact that the EA would have to be super strong?   

Vertical light is unaffected. And the EA is quite probably super strong, in terms of the acceleration it causes as a function of time.

Well, if the EA can bend light enough to cause a noticeable change at 10 km then it has to be super strong.  It would take light around .000033 seconds to go 10 km.  If I did any math close to correctly, its around a 3030 m/s^2 acceleration. 
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2008, 05:19:56 PM »
Well, if the EA can bend light enough to cause a noticeable change at 10 km then it has to be super strong.  It would take light around .000033 seconds to go 10 km.  If I did any math close to correctly, its around a 3030 m/s^2 acceleration. 

That is horizontal light.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2008, 05:21:07 PM »
Well, if the EA can bend light enough to cause a noticeable change at 10 km then it has to be super strong.  It would take light around .000033 seconds to go 10 km.  If I did any math close to correctly, its around a 3030 m/s^2 acceleration. 

That is horizontal light.

Yes. 
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2008, 05:21:49 PM »
Yes. 

So we are in agreement that it can work.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2008, 05:22:00 PM »
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2008, 05:22:33 PM »
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« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2008, 05:22:56 PM »
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2008, 05:26:44 PM »
Your theory is unsound.

Making unjustified claims is no way to debate.
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« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2008, 05:28:00 PM »
Your theory is unsound.

Making unjustified claims is no way to debate.

It was justified. 
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« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2008, 05:28:23 PM »
It was justified. 

Show me your justification, then.
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« Reply #45 on: August 20, 2008, 05:30:36 PM »
It was justified. 

Show me your justification, then.

3030 m/s^2 would be noticeable.  There will also be more arguments to come. 
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #46 on: August 20, 2008, 05:31:48 PM »
3030 m/s^2 would be noticeable.  There will also be more arguments to come. 

It is noticeable, when the light is horizontal.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #47 on: August 20, 2008, 05:35:26 PM »
3030 m/s^2 would be noticeable.  There will also be more arguments to come. 

It is noticeable, when the light is horizontal.

You know it would also lead to a non linear horizon distance right? 
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #48 on: August 20, 2008, 05:38:27 PM »
You know it would also lead to a non linear horizon distance right? 

Be less ambiguous.
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« Reply #49 on: August 20, 2008, 05:40:20 PM »
I guess that could be an answer to my question.  A crappy answer though. 
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« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2008, 06:03:42 PM »
I guess that could be an answer to my question.  A crappy answer though. 

Non linear with respect to what? Time? Angle at which horizon is being observed? Elevation of observer? The mass of the observer's genitals?
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« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2008, 11:51:23 PM »
It is noticeable, when the light is horizontal.

Except it isn't.  Do I have to post the picture of the interferometer again?

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #52 on: August 21, 2008, 12:31:26 AM »
Except it isn't.  Do I have to post the picture of the interferometer again?

I don't consider that adequate evidence against it. I shall expand on my reasoning when I create the official document outlining the EA.
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« Reply #53 on: August 21, 2008, 04:48:42 AM »
when I create the official document outlining the EA.

Oh, you mean never. 

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #54 on: August 21, 2008, 07:27:20 AM »
Except it isn't.  Do I have to post the picture of the interferometer again?

I don't consider that adequate evidence against it. I shall expand on my reasoning when I create the official document outlining the EA.

You do realize that it's bad form to argue an incomplete an incomplete hypothesis.  I believe your EA document falls under the category of "vaporware".
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2008, 07:44:37 AM »
I guess that could be an answer to my question.  A crappy answer though. 

Non linear with respect to what? Time? Angle at which horizon is being observed? Elevation of observer? The mass of the observer's genitals?

The distance to the horizon would depend on the angle of the light.
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« Reply #56 on: August 21, 2008, 08:23:29 AM »
All this arguing is completely pointless, because Robosteve still fails to deliver. 

I mean, he's saying all this stuff about what observations his EA can account for, but he still hasn't shown how it can even work. 

Untill some sort of equation is presented, then everything he says with regard to the EA is just meaning less fluff.

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #57 on: August 21, 2008, 09:16:05 AM »
The distance to the horizon would depend on the angle of the light.

As it does in RET.

All this arguing is completely pointless, because Robosteve still fails to deliver. 

I mean, he's saying all this stuff about what observations his EA can account for, but he still hasn't shown how it can even work. 

Untill some sort of equation is presented, then everything he says with regard to the EA is just meaning less fluff.

Here's an equation:

y = x2 / 2r

And another:

(dx/dt)2 + (dy/dt)2 = c2
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #59 on: August 21, 2008, 09:54:05 AM »
y = x2 / 2r

How was this derived?

By calculating the concavity of the expected secant curve traced out by a light ray tangential to the surface of the round Earth at the point where it meets the Earth, and then using that to calculate the equation for the parabolic arc traced out by a light ray in FET with the EA, such that it will have the same concavity when horizontal. r is the radius of the round Earth.
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