Bendy light: The maths

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dyno

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #150 on: September 02, 2008, 09:10:30 PM »
Well with the images i took in the sinking ship experiment

The distance was 20.0km from a height of 1m.

The lighthouse has an elevation of 80.5m and is 38.7m tall.
http://www.lighthouse.net.au/lights/WA/Rottnest%20Main/Rottnest%20Main.htm

There is something like 40m hidden behind the curve of the Earth.
Or the light has bent 40m over 20km.

Thats 2m per kilometer.

Cmon FEs. Put something together. It's been weeks.

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Parsifal

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #151 on: September 02, 2008, 11:42:57 PM »
Well with the images i took in the sinking ship experiment

The distance was 20.0km from a height of 1m.

The lighthouse has an elevation of 80.5m and is 38.7m tall.
http://www.lighthouse.net.au/lights/WA/Rottnest%20Main/Rottnest%20Main.htm

There is something like 40m hidden behind the curve of the Earth.
Or the light has bent 40m over 20km.

Thats 2m per kilometer.

Cmon FEs. Put something together. It's been weeks.

Converting units from my earlier calculation of the curve in inches per mile per mile, the light should have bent by about 15.7 metres over a distance of 20 kilometres.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #152 on: September 11, 2008, 07:36:12 PM »
Resurrection

http://bovitz.com/photo/traditional/jpgphotos/2005/Rays-of-light-through-cloud.jpg

What about sunbeams like these? There should be noticeable curvature of the light beams.

FE explanation please.

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AmateurAstronomer

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #153 on: September 11, 2008, 09:10:35 PM »
Resurrection

http://bovitz.com/photo/traditional/jpgphotos/2005/Rays-of-light-through-cloud.jpg

What about sunbeams like these? There should be noticeable curvature of the light beams.

FE explanation please.

That's an awesome pic. That's going on my desktop, curve or not...

Is that DRM, do you know? It looks it. I don't think you can pull off DRM with waves though, and the waves are very prominent. Most likely a wide aperture shot.
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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #154 on: September 11, 2008, 09:27:07 PM »
Well with the images i took in the sinking ship experiment

The distance was 20.0km from a height of 1m.

The lighthouse has an elevation of 80.5m and is 38.7m tall.
http://www.lighthouse.net.au/lights/WA/Rottnest%20Main/Rottnest%20Main.htm

There is something like 40m hidden behind the curve of the Earth.
Or the light has bent 40m over 20km.

Thats 2m per kilometer.

Cmon FEs. Put something together. It's been weeks.

Converting units from my earlier calculation of the curve in inches per mile per mile, the light should have bent by about 15.7 metres over a distance of 20 kilometres.

Can you post your light bending formula, and any proofs of said formula that you have already performed? I want to try to reproduce your results.
Reality becomes apparent to the patient observer. Or you can learn a thing or two if you're in a hurry.

Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #155 on: September 12, 2008, 04:37:49 AM »
Resurrection

http://bovitz.com/photo/traditional/jpgphotos/2005/Rays-of-light-through-cloud.jpg

What about sunbeams like these? There should be noticeable curvature of the light beams.

FE explanation please.

To head off possible Tom Bishop explanations...

No it isn't glare in the camera lens.  Here is a picture that I took showing the same effect.



It is definitely something that you can see without holding a camera to your eye.

Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #156 on: September 12, 2008, 04:53:23 AM »
You can see that on the West coast...as well as in places like...oh...everywhere.  But that's a very nice picture.

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Moon squirter

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #157 on: September 12, 2008, 05:04:32 AM »
To head off possible Tom Bishop explanations...

No it isn't glare in the camera lens.  Here is a picture that I took showing the same effect.

    http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/4479/godsfingersza7.jpg

It is definitely something that you can see without holding a camera to your eye.

It's not because the earth is flat.  It's because of perspective    (not Robothiem perspective I might add(!)).

Firstly bare in mind that the "rays" are not the original photons moving towards the ground, but light which has been scattered by particles in the atmosphere on its way to the ground.

The observed rays of light *are* in fact running ~parallel, as you might expect from the distant sun.  Except the rays are travelling partly in our direction.  Therefore perspective makes the rays converge to the sun.   Light rays will always appear to come radially from the sun, no matter how far away it is.  (i.e. it is observer dependent).

To think of it another way. If you were to go to a point near to horizon (say 20 miles out), the sun would still be in the same position in the sky, and not overhead as the image would suggest.  Also, you would see a new set of rays (and not the old ones behind you).

I have seen speeded up films of this effect:  Video makes it more obvious that the rays are coming towards us  (cannot find any examples at the moment).

This has been used to great effect by artists over the centuries.
I haven't performed it and I've never claimed to. I've have trouble being in two places at the same time.

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Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #158 on: September 12, 2008, 09:39:39 PM »
Take two flashlights at night and cross them. You know that the light beams pass right through each other, right? As we all know, this is because Maxwell's equations (the equations of light) are linear. Light cannot interact with light -- usually.

But it can under the right circumstances.

Now take a single laser and split it into two coherent beams of photons. If these laser beams cross inside a type of a nonlindar crystal, they mutually influence each others propagation. In some cases, one beam will donate its photons to the other beam. This results in nonreciprocal energy transfer between the beams, and constitutes one of the few instances of optical amplification without stimulated emission.

The control of light by light is the optical analog of the control of electgrons by electrons in transistors. One of the great challenges facing quantum optics today is the search for the appropriate medium in which photons can control photons. The discovery of such a medium would open to way for photonic computers.

The electronic revolution of the 1960's is now giving way to the photonics revolution. Almost all high-data-rate systems in use today use photons to carry information. Even microprocessors in your personal computers are on the verge of using photonics to bus information and to provide masssively parallel interconnections. Hybrid electronic/photonic microprocessors are only about 5 years away from the marketplace.

Still, there are (almost) no good optical analogs of the transistor. All the current photonics technology uses electronics to generate and detect photons, without letting the photons control themselves. But with the appropriate nonlinear optical material, this may just be a step away.

An electronic computer can be divided into two roles, that of memory, which needs to hold information for as long as possible, and that of processing, which needs to use information as fast as possible. Static holograms perform the role of memory in the optical analogy to the electronic computer, while dynamic holograms perform the role of the central processor.

Holographic optical memories are a technology that have been pursued for several decades. On the other hand, dynamic holographic processors -- that have speeds compatible with image processing applications -- have only come about in the past ten years through the discovery of photorefractive semiconductor materials. Semiconductors, like GaAs, can act as dynamic holographic media. They have high carrier mobilities, that make the refresh rate of the holograms fast enough for video applications.

Photorefractive quantum wells represent the culmination of developments in photorefractive semiconductors. They have all the advantages of high mobility and speed for dynamic hologram recording, while relying on quantum-confined enhancements of optical properties to produce the highest-sensitivity dynamic holographic films currently known. While photorefractive quantum wells cannot yet be used as optical analogs to the transistor, they provide new avenues for the control of light by light in wide areas of new applications.

 

 

The photorefractive effect is an effective optical nonlinearity in which the coherent interference of the two beams produces a pattern of bright and dark fringes. These fringes cause electrical charge to separate inside the photorefractive crystal, producing space-charge field patterns that mimic the light patterns. The electric fields, in turn, modify the refractive index of the material, creating a diffraction grating. This light-induced diffraction grating diffracts light from the two laser beams, redirecting the photons in the direction of the other beam. When the phase relationship is just right between the transmitted and diffracted beams, then net constructive interference will occur in one transmitted beam, but destructive interference will occur in the opposite beam. The optical amplification is therefore a simple consequence of diffraction and interference -- two aspects of classical optics -- but in a unique combination.

The photorefractive effect is a type of dynamic holography. Holograms that move and change in time in response to changing light images are called dynamic holograms. They are recorded in real-time just as an ordinary hologram is, using two laser beams. One laser beam carries the information from the object, while the other laser beam acts as a reference. The use of two light beams rather than one (in rodinary photography) that makes it possible for a hologram to record phase as well as intensity.

Dynamic holograms are constantly changing, or updating, as the information on the signal beam changes. This means that dynamic holographic films perform an information processing function.

Re: Bendy light: The maths
« Reply #159 on: September 14, 2008, 06:26:54 PM »
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