Earth is accelerating up?

If the earth is accelarating at 9.81m/s^2 then aren't we way past the speed of light by now?

For the love of God, no we are not.  Lurk moar, please.

For the love of God, no we are not.

lol!

Quote from: Robbyj on August 14, 2008, 08:02:51 PM

The two measurement devices in each city are most likely not the exact same device.  This is where accuracy of a particular device comes into play.  Two different devices measuring a consistant parameter doesn't mean that it is accurate.  This might help a little:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observational_error

meassurement device? A ball and a clock?

If that is the measurement tool in use than the error is much higher than 1%.

Obviously it's a bit rough, but that's the only kind of meassurement device I can think of, something that drops an item, starts a clock, and stops it when it lands. It can't be impossible to make this just as exact as a clock can be, and last I checked they can be pretty exact.

Ok, simple question,  Gravitation is caused by our constante Acceleration, and I read in another foram that air resistance and contact with the earth hold us in place.  Then wouldn't it be really really windy?  Or since we have a dome over us holding the air in then, if I were to let a balloon float, wouldn't it come crashing down since the earth accelerated into it?  How come we don't fly into the moon?  How did the Jap's in world war 2 use the jetstream to float high altitude balloons to fly east to drop bombs onto the US.  Was the 12 year old that sailed around the world in on this conspiricy?  Is the entire universe accelerating in the same direction and at the same speed?  What is behind us as we Fly in the direction we are going.  And my 8 year old wants to know if you have any pictures of the 150 foot Ice walls that are around the entire world and how deep do these sheets of Ice go.  Wouldn't currents cause some ice to jam up on the sides?

Seriuosly read the FAQ.

Ok, simple question,  Gravitation is caused by our constante Acceleration, and I read in another foram that air resistance and contact with the earth hold us in place.  Then wouldn't it be really really windy?  Or since we have a dome over us holding the air in then, if I were to let a balloon float, wouldn't it come crashing down since the earth accelerated into it?  How come we don't fly into the moon?  How did the Jap's in world war 2 use the jetstream to float high altitude balloons to fly east to drop bombs onto the US.  Was the 12 year old that sailed around the world in on this conspiricy?  Is the entire universe accelerating in the same direction and at the same speed?  What is behind us as we Fly in the direction we are going.  And my 8 year old wants to know if you have any pictures of the 150 foot Ice walls that are around the entire world and how deep do these sheets of Ice go.  Wouldn't currents cause some ice to jam up on the sides?

1. No.
2. No.
3. It's also accelerating up at the same speed.
4. What does that have to do with anything?
5. Probably not.
6. Yes.
7. Is that important?
8. No
9. The wall is a mountain range, covered in Ice.
10. Wat?

Seriuosly read the FAQ.

Quote from: Dark Knight on August 16, 2008, 11:49:56 PM

Ok, simple question,  Gravitation is caused by our constante Acceleration, and I read in another foram that air resistance and contact with the earth hold us in place.  Then wouldn't it be really really windy?  Or since we have a dome over us holding the air in then, if I were to let a balloon float, wouldn't it come crashing down since the earth accelerated into it?  How come we don't fly into the moon?  How did the Jap's in world war 2 use the jetstream to float high altitude balloons to fly east to drop bombs onto the US.  Was the 12 year old that sailed around the world in on this conspiricy?  Is the entire universe accelerating in the same direction and at the same speed?  What is behind us as we Fly in the direction we are going.  And my 8 year old wants to know if you have any pictures of the 150 foot Ice walls that are around the entire world and how deep do these sheets of Ice go.  Wouldn't currents cause some ice to jam up on the sides?

1. No.
2. No.
3. It's also accelerating up at the same speed.
4. What does that have to do with anything?
5. Probably not.
6. Yes.
7. Is that important?
8. No
9. The wall is a mountain range, covered in Ice.
10. Wat?

Dont just say yes or no explain why, wont take you but a few more mins...

1st im a RE but some of your questions arnt very good.

winds: no, space is well space, no friction. winds are produced by differences in surface pressure and coriolis force.
balloon: if the balloon has helium then it is less dense than the heavier gasses so it would still rise because the heavier gasses would still be on the bottom
-put a helium balloon in your car hit 60 MPH and slam your breaks the balloon will actually go backwards because the more dense air will pus it out of the way.
japs balloon question: this question doesn't help you prove anything and im sure FE agree with you here ( i hope)
moon question: leave them alone on this one they things its like 3000 miles away which is still to far away for aircraft to reach.
12 year old and the boat: i asking the same type of question in another thread no good answers yet.

I wasn't trying to be a smart ass or anything, and wasn't trying to get scientific, just a bunch of simple questions,  The reason why I asked about the japs using the balloons in ww2 was because according to their flat world map that would be impossible.  The idea that the whole universe is going at the same speed in the same direction doesn't seem clear as the idea that the sun and moon are going from side to side and also up at the same time confuses me, same thing with the star charts being the same season by season even though the moon and sun appear in different positions compared to where the stars appear, and navigation being used for naval ships would have been impossible.  The north star would have to be moving in a circle to appear north in order for ships to think that they are going in a straight line, along with that the sun and moon would have to be doing the same thing but that isn't possible according to the way the sun and moon rotate in the sky.  It just can't happen.
As far as the wind was concerned, I know that there is no friction in space, but in another thread they said that there is so I was just going off of the quote I saw.  Plus it shouldn't be too windy as the dome would work as a wind shield.  Also if it is the acceleration that is holding us down wouldn't it do something to the currents,  What I mean is, if I had a pizza pan, and I put water in the middle of it and I spun around, the water would all be pulled to the outside of the pan, if I were to go 60 miles per hour in a straight line the water in the middle would spread out to equal sides of the pan until it hit the part that would be the Ice wall.  If that is the case, wouldn't the currents all go in that direction and also what ever is floating on the water like iceburgs and stuff, wouldn't it all be pulled that way.  Also if the moon is so small and only 3000 miles above us, it wouldn't affect tides the way it does, and also, in order for it to move the way they explain it, that thing would have to be cruising, would't it break apart?

Please break into paragraphs a bit better to make your posts easier to read.

And I wasn't trying to sound short either, but a lot of your questions are answered in the FAQ.

The reason why I asked about the japs using the balloons in ww2 was because according to their flat world map that would be impossible.

Why? 

The idea that the whole universe is going at the same speed in the same direction doesn't seem clear as the idea that the sun and moon are going from side to side and also up at the same time confuses me, same thing with the star charts being the same season by season even though the moon and sun appear in different positions compared to where the stars appear, and navigation being used for naval ships would have been impossible.

The north star would have to be moving in a circle to appear north in order for ships to think that they are going in a straight line, along with that the sun and moon would have to be doing the same thing but that isn't possible according to the way the sun and moon rotate in the sky.  It just can't happen.

Why not?

As far as the wind was concerned, I know that there is no friction in space, but in another thread they said that there is so I was just going off of the quote I saw.  Plus it shouldn't be too windy as the dome would work as a wind shield.

I don't know what dome you are referring to?

Also if it is the acceleration that is holding us down wouldn't it do something to the currents,  What I mean is, if I had a pizza pan, and I put water in the middle of it and I spun around, the water would all be pulled to the outside of the pan, if I were to go 60 miles per hour in a straight line the water in the middle would spread out to equal sides of the pan until it hit the part that would be the Ice wall.  If that is the case, wouldn't the currents all go in that direction and also what ever is floating on the water like iceburgs and stuff, wouldn't it all be pulled that way.

When you travel inside a car (with the windows up) at 60 mph you and the objects in your car do not feel a sensation of constantly being thrown backwards. The principle here is the same as the atmosphere is moving in the same direction and speed as the earth.

Also if the moon is so small and only 3000 miles above us, it wouldn't affect tides the way it does, and also, in order for it to move the way they explain it, that thing would have to be cruising, would't it break apart?

Tides are not affected by the moon. Please read the FAQ.

And exactly how fast do you think the moon is travelling in the RE model

i beleive that they explain the fact that you weigh slightly less on top of a mountain by saying that the moon and sun have slight gravitaional pulls.

i beleive that they explain the fact that you weigh slightly less on top of a mountain by saying that the moon and sun have slight gravitaional pulls.

And the stars, too. Also, here is an alternative explanation.

if you are in a car and accelerating, objects in the car will move, same as if it decelerates, that is why we have seat belts.  Also the g forces that occur just driving a car is enough.  In order for acceleration to hold us down onto the earth, that same acceleration should affect everything else. it is a constant acceleration that must be maintained, place a ball on your dashboard and drive your car.  it moves doesn't it?

if you are in a car and accelerating, objects in the car will move, same as if it decelerates, that is why we have seat belts.  Also the g forces that occur just driving a car is enough.  In order for acceleration to hold us down onto the earth, that same acceleration should affect everything else. it is a constant acceleration that must be maintained, place a ball on your dashboard and drive your car.  it moves doesn't it?

Yes. But if you place it against the back window, that is accelerating in exactly the same direction as the ball, it does not.

No it wouldn't, but if the ball was say the size of a beach ball and was half full of water it would flatten, and no longer be round, say this was the earth, since the earth is flat and the water is not on the inside but on the outside wouldn't the water spill over the edges since the acceleration is pulling the water out from the middle?
The Ice Barrier theory would cause the water to spill over till eventually there is no water left.

Yes but isn't that because the air inside the car is moving backwards? If you fill up balloons with helium and put them inside your car. As you drive forwards the helium balloons are pushed to the front of the car, because the air in the car (which is heavier) moves to the back.

To put it another way, if you drop your beach ball in a vacuum, will there be any distortion of it as it travels towards the surface of the planet?

no sure what you are taling about but it seems like the helium balloon thing i talked about.

Try it. thats all i have to say.

This is what will happen: When you stop from 60 - 0 mph the balloon will go to the back not the front like you would think it would and thats because helium (the ballon) is lighter than the air in the car.

No, the beach Ball would be pushed into the the back window do to the acceleration, now I know this because I used to drive semi's that were mobile greenhouses.  When I would have products that were sitting in the middle of the truck and not secured, the acceleration would cause them to roll to the back of the truck.  We carried round propane canisers in the back in the winter to keep the plants warm and we had CCTV on them to monitor the conditions in the truck and boy if you were at a stop sign and drove off, even slowly, those suckers would roll and it the back door of the truck so hard you would get a gas leak and distroy the cargo.  Anyways, by using the same example as before but change the beach ball to an open pizza pan half full of water.  If you were to accelerate fast enough for that to hold the water in the pan it would push all of the water from the middle of the pan outward leaving the middle dry and the water would spill off the edges.  Same happens in a centrifuge using petri dishes, and also is the reason for blackouts when pilots pull too many g's in aircraft, their blood gets pulled away from their brain.  The force of acceleration required to hold the billions and trillions of gallons in place on the earth without it floating off of it would first of all crush us, and then cause the water to spill over the ice shelf in a matter of moments.  The only way this could work is if gravity is created through the mass of the object and comes from a central point of a sphere, there is no edge to fall off and gravity is a lot softer on the humans,
         Another example would be to go into a centrifuge with a feather and spin it till it sticks to the side, now place a 200,000,000 ton weight next to it and spin it till it sticks.  I am willing to bet that the feather would be obliterated.

It can't work.
 

I'm not suggesting that it doesn't happen when you drive a car/truck, I'm just questioning the reasons. Also, the objects in a car as you are driving on earth are being acted upon in a force acting perpendicular to the movement of the car, so you can't use that as an example of your hypothesis.

A centrifuge is not the same thing either, as it spins rather than travels in a straight line.

The force of gravity is, if I understand it correctly, 1g. This is the force required to hold the water on earth in either RE or FE model, and obviously, that is not enough to crush us. And while I'm thinking about it, I can fill up a glass of water to the very top, and as the 1g force is the same in both FE and RE models, I should be able to observe the same effects you are talking about. My supposition is that you need an acceleration much greater than 1g to observe what you suggest.

No, the beach Ball would be pushed into the the back window do to the acceleration, now I know this because I used to drive semi's that were mobile greenhouses.  When I would have products that were sitting in the middle of the truck and not secured, the acceleration would cause them to roll to the back of the truck.  We carried round propane canisers in the back in the winter to keep the plants warm and we had CCTV on them to monitor the conditions in the truck and boy if you were at a stop sign and drove off, even slowly, those suckers would roll and it the back door of the truck so hard you would get a gas leak and distroy the cargo.  Anyways, by using the same example as before but change the beach ball to an open pizza pan half full of water.  If you were to accelerate fast enough for that to hold the water in the pan it would push all of the water from the middle of the pan outward leaving the middle dry and the water would spill off the edges.  Same happens in a centrifuge using petri dishes, and also is the reason for blackouts when pilots pull too many g's in aircraft, their blood gets pulled away from their brain.  The force of acceleration required to hold the billions and trillions of gallons in place on the earth without it floating off of it would first of all crush us, and then cause the water to spill over the ice shelf in a matter of moments.  The only way this could work is if gravity is created through the mass of the object and comes from a central point of a sphere, there is no edge to fall off and gravity is a lot softer on the humans,
         Another example would be to go into a centrifuge with a feather and spin it till it sticks to the side, now place a 200,000,000 ton weight next to it and spin it till it sticks.  I am willing to bet that the feather would be obliterated.

It can't work.

The system you are describing is not in equilibrium like the Earth is, nor is the acceleration of the vehicle the only acceleration to be accounted for. There is acceleration associated with gravitation, and you can't accelerate at a significant rate for long enough to allow the system to come to equilibrium. It can work; a basic knowledge of physics would assure you of this.

The system you are describing is not in equlibrium like the Earth is, nor is the acceleration of the vehicle the only acceleration to be accounted for. There is acceleration associated with gravitation, and you can't accelerate at a significant rate for long enough to allow the system to come to equilibrium. It can work; a basic knowledge of physics would assure you of this.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. lol