Sinking Ship experiment Results

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Alienfreak

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Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« Reply #240 on: August 26, 2008, 03:04:05 AM »
Any responses to my falsification of your theory?

Or any responses to the falsification provided by the reflection of light experiment someone proposed earlier?

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« Reply #241 on: August 26, 2008, 04:48:43 AM »
Any responses to my falsification of your theory?

Or any responses to the falsification provided by the reflection of light experiment someone proposed earlier?

If you accept the premise of "bendy light" then the math for the electromagnetic effect seems to work.

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Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« Reply #242 on: August 26, 2008, 05:35:39 AM »
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If you accept the premise of "bendy light" then the math for the electromagnetic effect seems to work.

Thats without any reference to anything i asked.

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« Reply #243 on: August 26, 2008, 06:26:07 AM »
Thats without any reference to anything i asked.

You were referring to the post about how light reflected off an airplane would still be visible to an observer on the ground?

Here is a thread where the math is discussed...
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22379.0

The math is crafted so that if you accept that light bends, then the equations explain how light can be bent to give the illusion of a round Earth.


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Alienfreak

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« Reply #244 on: August 26, 2008, 07:03:58 AM »
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You were referring to the post about how light reflected off an airplane would still be visible to an observer on the ground?

Here is a thread where the math is discussed...
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22379.0

The math is crafted so that if you accept that light bends, then the equations explain how light can be bent to give the illusion of a round Earth.[/img]

Light reflected off an Airplane? Wut?

Go read my posts or increase your reading skills ;)

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« Reply #245 on: August 26, 2008, 08:16:10 AM »
Light reflected off an Airplane? Wut?

This is the post that I am referring to...

If you are in plane you see that your bending light theory suxx big time.

If the earth was flat and you are look just right into the ground beneath you you would see a lot of things at the similiar place if the earth would be flat and light would curve up.

So start thinking first and then try to be a scientist.



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Go read my posts or increase your reading skills ;)

I read your post, looked at the picture, and I still don't understand your question I guess.

It appears that you are questioning the paths that the light will take (reflected off the ground or off a plane).  My response is, that if you accept his theory that light bends, the math for the paths does work out.  Because the curve is similar to the curve of the Earth, it works the same as a horizon for the observer on FE.

If that doesn't answer your question, I am sorry.  I will attempt to read more and try to comprehend the questions that you ask.

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Alienfreak

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« Reply #246 on: August 26, 2008, 08:49:25 AM »
If the light bends that 2 rays of light would hit your eye at exactly the same angle at exactly the same point of the eye if you are looking right downwards.

Also note the other 2 pictures i made.

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« Reply #247 on: August 26, 2008, 10:48:20 AM »
If the light bends that 2 rays of light would hit your eye at exactly the same angle at exactly the same point of the eye if you are looking right downwards.

Why? Depends on the height doesnt it?
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Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« Reply #248 on: August 26, 2008, 08:04:41 PM »
If light bends as FE says it does, then shouldn't the boat appear higher than the water?


As opposed to under the water? We aren't discussing submarines here, you know. Boats float in water.

Still waiting for a response to this.

And Alienfreak, light doesn't bend that much at the height planes fly. You'd have to go up much higher than that to see the effect you are talking about. At the height planes fly, the only effect that you see is that the Earth appears curved.
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Alienfreak

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« Reply #249 on: August 27, 2008, 03:12:32 AM »
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Why? Depends on the height doesnt it?

To make it impossible to see more of the earth than a circle with 6Mm radius, so that it looks like a sphere with a radius of 6Mm the light has to go straight up. Otherwise i could just increase my altitude and then see further than the 6Mm.

Which also has the little downside that once i can see 6Mm of distance the Light hits my eye at the same angle and point as the surface right beneath me does...

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Alienfreak

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« Reply #250 on: August 28, 2008, 03:19:16 PM »
Noone?

Thought so :)
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« Reply #251 on: August 28, 2008, 09:51:14 PM »
FEs position seems to be "If YOU didn't create the evidence yourself, it's not real evidence", is that right?

I'm just wondering if by their logic the use of my own evidence is allowable for them to formulate their theory of bendy light. Shouldn't they be using their own images taken themselves? It's a rhetorical question. I'd like some acknowledgment that all the data out there probably isn't forged and that there isn't anything wrong with us using information and evidence published by others to support our argument, without having it dismissed as "conspiracy"

It just seems crazy to me that you won't accept things unless you have experienced it first hand.

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« Reply #252 on: August 28, 2008, 11:23:56 PM »
It just seems crazy to me that you won't accept things unless you have experienced it first hand.

Otherwise they wouldn't be able to dismiss people that have observed the stars in the southern hemisphere.

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« Reply #253 on: August 28, 2008, 11:30:59 PM »
It just seems crazy to me that you won't accept things unless you have experienced it first hand.

Do you mean like the time you were three years old and blindly accepted your mother's story about Santa Clause leaving gifts beneath the tree without seeing him slide down your chimney first hand?
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dyno

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« Reply #254 on: August 29, 2008, 12:22:16 AM »
It just seems crazy to me that you won't accept things unless you have experienced it first hand.

Do you mean like the time you were three years old and blindly accepted your mother's story about Santa Clause leaving gifts beneath the tree without seeing him slide down your chimney first hand?

Are you saying FEs have the mental development of a 3 year old?

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« Reply #255 on: August 29, 2008, 01:23:06 AM »
Do you mean like the time you were three years old and blindly accepted your mother's story about Santa Clause leaving gifts beneath the tree without seeing him slide down your chimney first hand?

Well, I was three at the time.  I realized by the time I was six that it was impossible for a person to fit down the 6" diameter of my chimney flue.

Since then, I have also navigated vessels with 50000 ton displacements through all of the world's oceans but the Arctic Ocean while shooting celestial sights. 

I would say that my experience has led me to my view of the world based on my experiences.  Much the same way it led me to eventually dismiss my mother's stories about Santa.

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« Reply #256 on: August 29, 2008, 05:14:35 AM »
It just seems crazy to me that you won't accept things unless you have experienced it first hand.

Do you mean like the time you were three years old and blindly accepted your mother's story about Santa Clause leaving gifts beneath the tree without seeing him slide down your chimney first hand?

Or that silly fable about how smoking causes cancer.   ::)
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« Reply #257 on: August 29, 2008, 06:51:48 AM »
The sea is all over the place off the Coast of Fremantle...

http://magicseaweed.com/South-Western-Australia-MSW-Surf-Charts/44/

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dyno

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« Reply #258 on: August 29, 2008, 05:02:30 PM »
That doesn't go back to Aug 16th

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Tom Bishop

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« Reply #259 on: August 29, 2008, 06:42:34 PM »
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Are you saying FEs have the mental development of a 3 year old?

The analogy suggested that those who accepted facts from authority blindly and without question were the ones with the mental development of a 3 year old.
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Stabler12

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« Reply #260 on: August 30, 2008, 01:16:07 AM »
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Are you saying FEs have the mental development of a 3 year old?

The analogy suggested that those who accepted facts from authority blindly and without question were the ones with the mental development of a 3 year old.

Why should we blindly accept what you claim to be facts, Tom?

I haven't seen Niagra Falls except in photographs, should I conclude that they are not real since I haven't personally seen them?

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« Reply #261 on: August 30, 2008, 01:18:00 AM »
The analogy suggested that those who accepted facts from authority blindly and without question were the ones with the mental development of a 3 year old.

But in your analogy, you should accept the existence of Santa Claus.  You observed the presents appearing on Christmas morning, you have the "evidence" from your mother saying that they are there because of Santa, and you can't prove that it wasn't Santa that left them there.

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« Reply #262 on: August 30, 2008, 04:20:16 AM »
Just finished reading the tread, good times. I have a few questions. RoboSteve is a moderator who can delete posts as he feels fit and seems to favor the flat earth theory. Is there a forum where this topic is discussed where one side cannot delete the posts of people on the opposing side? I just wanted to see a thread where both sides are represented equally but I'm not sure if linking to such sites is allowed, any info here is appreciated.

Also is Robosteve the resident physicist for the flat earth model? If so, I'm curious what sort of physics background he might have, completed high school physics, college, grad student post doc, prof, etc. Just curious.
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« Reply #263 on: August 30, 2008, 04:23:58 AM »
Just finished reading the tread, good times. I have a few questions. RoboSteve is a moderator who can delete posts as he feels fit and seems to favor the flat earth theory. Is there a forum where this topic is discussed where one side cannot delete the posts of people on the opposing side? I just wanted to see a thread where both sides are represented equally but I'm not sure if linking to such sites is allowed, any info here is appreciated.

Not that I am aware of.  Of course, a true FE would probably say that all other sites except for this one are RE friendly.


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Also is Robosteve the resident physicist for the flat earth model? If so, I'm curious what sort of physicist background he might have, completed high school physics, college, grad student post doc, prof, etc. Just curious.

I believe that he is still in college as a physics major.

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Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« Reply #264 on: August 30, 2008, 04:24:12 AM »
Just finished reading the tread, good times. I have a few questions. RoboSteve is a moderator who can delete posts as he feels fit and seems to favor the flat earth theory. Is there a forum where this topic is discussed where one side cannot delete the posts of people on the opposing side? I just wanted to see a thread where both sides are represented equally but I'm not sure if linking to such sites is allowed, any info here is appreciated.

I don't delete posts just because I don't agree with them. I only delete spam posts that contribute nothing to the discussion.

Also is Robosteve the resident physicist for the flat earth model? If so, I'm curious what sort of physicist background he might have, completed high school physics, college, grad student post doc, prof, etc. Just curious.

There are some who have a better grasp of physics than I, just because they are more educated. TheEngineer is probably the best example I can think of. I have completed high school physics, and I am currently in my first year at the University of Sydney, hoping to major in physics. I do find it fascinating and I have a natural affinity for the subject.
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« Reply #265 on: August 30, 2008, 04:30:37 AM »
And I have to say that Robo does a better job than most in putting physics problems into laymans terms that can be understood.  I never took physics, but lurking here and commenting on occasion has expanded my grasp of the concepts a lot better than in the past.

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« Reply #266 on: August 30, 2008, 11:40:24 AM »
So you have high school physics under your belt and want to pursue physics in college, cool. Well it seems you have your work cut out for you with your light bends up theory, how can it be demonstrated?

Robo, have you talked you anyone in your astro physics department about your theory? What are their thoughts about how one might go about knowing for sure if the world if flat or round?

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Alienfreak

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« Reply #267 on: August 30, 2008, 03:11:55 PM »
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There are some who have a better grasp of physics than I, just because they are more educated. TheEngineer is probably the best example I can think of. I have completed high school physics, and I am currently in my first year at the University of Sydney, hoping to major in physics. I do find it fascinating and I have a natural affinity for the subject.


If you have a natural affinity for the subject PLEASE falsify my theory and the experiment with the light reflection on a desk.

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« Reply #268 on: August 30, 2008, 03:20:20 PM »
There are some who have a better grasp of physics than I, just because they are more educated. TheEngineer is probably the best example I can think of. I have completed high school physics, and I am currently in my first year at the University of Sydney, hoping to major in physics. I do find it fascinating and I have a natural affinity for the subject.
Then do me a favor, everytime you resolve forces in one of your physics classes (modern Physics classes included) and the professor puts mg in the equation raise you hand and tell him he is wrong and see what happens
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Alienfreak

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« Reply #269 on: August 30, 2008, 03:34:49 PM »
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There are some who have a better grasp of physics than I, just because they are more educated. TheEngineer is probably the best example I can think of. I have completed high school physics, and I am currently in my first year at the University of Sydney, hoping to major in physics. I do find it fascinating and I have a natural affinity for the subject.

Then he becomes a target of teh evil goverment agents waiting all over the world for one student to make a false comment.