Sinking Ship experiment Results

Probably not. Can you please explain?

The light will be bent in the same way regardless of whether there is an observer there or not. It just so happens that you don't observe it unless you are observing it, needless to say.

"The bend" does (according to wikipedia) "move" around in RE. It is where the horizon is.
Thats the difference.

In the picture, the light from block one starts higher and ends lower, while the light from block three starts lower and ends higher, this is no uniform.   

Jesus Christ. I'm leaving this thread before I lose any more IQ points.

Quote from: Josef on August 17, 2008, 11:15:52 AM

Probably not. Can you please explain?

The light will be bent in the same way regardless of whether there is an observer there or not. It just so happens that you don't observe it unless you are observing it, needless to say.

I get that it bends even when not observed.
What I dont get is that it bends in an arc, the bottom of the arc is halfway between observer and object.
On RE the light bends at horizon. The horizon on FE doesnt work the same way, since it isnt curved. Its a diminishing of perspective lines. Sort of.

What I dont get is that it bends in an arc, the bottom of the arc is halfway between observer and object.

Only in the special case where they are at the same altitude.

On RE the light bends at horizon. The horizon on FE doesnt work the same way, since it isnt curved. Its a diminishing of perspective lines. Sort of.

That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

Jesus Christ. I'm leaving this thread before I lose any more IQ points.

We get it, the bending light theory cannot explain anything. 

We get it, the bending light theory cannot explain anything. 

It can, if you understand what a parabola looks like.

Quote from: sokarul on August 17, 2008, 11:27:43 AM

We get it, the bending light theory cannot explain anything. 

It can, if you understand what a parabola looks like.

I know what they look like.

Quote from: Robosteve on August 17, 2008, 11:22:01 AM

Jesus Christ. I'm leaving this thread before I lose any more IQ points.

We get it, the bending light theory cannot explain anything. 

Pls draw a diagram of what you think happens to light on a round earth, draw it really round and show the same 123 tower going beneath the horizon.  

I will draw a diagram of hte same thing and we will compare.  Ok?

I know what they look like.

Then we are in agreement that the EA explains the Sinking Ship effect?

Quote from: sokarul on August 17, 2008, 11:27:43 AM

Quote from: Robosteve on August 17, 2008, 11:22:01 AM

Jesus Christ. I'm leaving this thread before I lose any more IQ points.

We get it, the bending light theory cannot explain anything. 

Pls draw a diagram of what you think happens to light on a round earth, draw it really round and show the same 123 tower going beneath the horizon.  

I will draw a diagram of hte same thing and we will compare.  Ok?

Ok, would you like it in a vacuum or in the atmosphere? 

Quote from: lolz at trollz on August 17, 2008, 11:39:32 AM

Quote from: sokarul on August 17, 2008, 11:27:43 AM

Quote from: Robosteve on August 17, 2008, 11:22:01 AM

Jesus Christ. I'm leaving this thread before I lose any more IQ points.

We get it, the bending light theory cannot explain anything. 

Pls draw a diagram of what you think happens to light on a round earth, draw it really round and show the same 123 tower going beneath the horizon.  

I will draw a diagram of hte same thing and we will compare.  Ok?

Ok, would you like it in a vacuum or in the atmosphere? 

Just draw what I see when I look at hte horizon. 

Atmospheric effects should be insignificant. 

Quote from: FELUNATIC on August 17, 2008, 10:48:56 AM

Round earth follows a downward curve, it would be more then normal that you would need downward bending light to achieve the same effect on a flat earth.

You are dumb and post dumb things.

this forum is dumb, for starters the figure you agree with is both upward and downward.

The light is bent downwards ever so slightly.  The atmosphere helps to "bend" the light more.  I will draw another pic with the earth actually being round. 

this forum is dumb, for starters the figure you agree with is both upward and downward.

No. Light bends upwards only.

Quote from: FELUNATIC on August 17, 2008, 11:48:45 AM

this forum is dumb, for starters the figure you agree with is both upward and downward.

No. Light bends upwards only.

Sigh, so basically it represents  1/x according to you. Or you don't get it.

The light from the lowest block cannot be seen because it hits the earth.   The red line is the light that can be seen from the lowest block.  The guy will have to clime up to be able to see the light.  He cannot see it from his current location because the light can only curve so much. 


Obviously this is not drawn to scale.  The curvature of light is due to the atmosphere mostly.  The light bent from gravitation would not be noticeable.  Also, if you loomed in on the bent light, its actually made up of stright lines. 

so the guy has an eye in his knee to see the 2nd bock?

so the guy has an eye in his knee to see the 2nd bock?

No, but he could still see the second block.  Where is your pic?  I don't want you cheating off mine. 

Sigh, so basically it represents  1/x according to you. Or you don't get it.

No, I believe it is you who does not get it.

Quote from: Josef on August 17, 2008, 11:24:28 AM

On RE the light bends at horizon. The horizon on FE doesnt work the same way, since it isnt curved. Its a diminishing of perspective lines. Sort of.

That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

Note that Im NOT saying that you dont understand because you are stupid. Instead Im being more mature and will try to explain what I mean.

On RE, light is being bent due to refraction in atmosphere at the horizon. And that is possible because the horizon is not a fixed place.

Your light on the other hand bends because of dark matter. I can understand that fex in space, if light goes near dark matter, it will bend and alter course. Thats how black holes have been "seen" right?

So, where is that dark matter? It must be strictly above us, right? Or, it is many sources which together have a centre of balance that is straight above us.

Where is that centre of balance of the dark matter? I bet theres a real word for that.. Centre of gravitation?

Note that Im NOT saying that you dont understand because you are stupid. Instead Im being more mature and will try to explain what I mean.

On RE, light is being bent due to refraction in atmosphere at the horizon. And that is possible because the horizon is not a fixed place.

Your light on the other hand bends because of dark matter. I can understand that fex in space, if light goes near dark matter, it will bend and alter course. Thats how black holes have been "seen" right?

So, where is that dark matter? It must be strictly above us, right? Or, it is many sources which together have a centre of balance that is straight above us.

Where is that centre of balance of the dark matter? I bet theres a real word for that.. Centre of gravitation?

Not dark matter, dark energy. It is not a gravitational effect, but rather a mechanism that we do not know very much about yet that causes the light to bend upwards. Also, refraction in the atmosphere is irrelevant to the Sinking Ship effect.

Here's mine, bluehead can't see the bottom, but greenhead can, now the curving of light downwards like you have in yours is actually the explanation for the superior mirage.  

Here's mine, bluehead can't see the bottom, but greenhead can, now the curving of light downwards like you have in yours is actually the explanation for the superior mirage.  

Your pic is the same as mine. 
The light is bent ever so slightly; this is why ENAG is flawed.  Obviously my pic has the light bending to much. 

DO NOT LECTURE ME ON MIRAGES.  I know all about them.  You weren't here when Tom and others were claiming mirages proved the earth was flat. 

Quote from: Josef on August 17, 2008, 12:26:45 PM

Note that Im NOT saying that you dont understand because you are stupid. Instead Im being more mature and will try to explain what I mean.

On RE, light is being bent due to refraction in atmosphere at the horizon. And that is possible because the horizon is not a fixed place.

Your light on the other hand bends because of dark matter. I can understand that fex in space, if light goes near dark matter, it will bend and alter course. Thats how black holes have been "seen" right?

So, where is that dark matter? It must be strictly above us, right? Or, it is many sources which together have a centre of balance that is straight above us.

Where is that centre of balance of the dark matter? I bet theres a real word for that.. Centre of gravitation?

Not dark matter, dark energy. It is not a gravitational effect, but rather a mechanism that we do not know very much about yet that causes the light to bend upwards. Also, refraction in the atmosphere is irrelevant to the Sinking Ship effect.

Im happy that you chose to be helpful instead of barging away frustrated.. Maybe this is good for both of us. I can learn about physics etc, and you can learn how to deal with people.

Ok. Dark energy it is. Dark energy is powering the acceleration of earth too, right?

Your pic is the same as mine.

No it isn't. His light rays don't bend around the surface of the planet to collide with the knee of an observer who, if he crouched down to knee level, should not be able to see the source.

Quote from: sokarul on August 17, 2008, 12:36:19 PM

Your pic is the same as mine.

No it isn't. His light rays don't bend around the surface of the planet to collide with the knee of an observer who, if he crouched down to knee level, should not be able to see the source.

I have the light hitting his knee just to show that light bends uniformly.  The yellow light is supposed to be starting parallel to the earth, while the red light does not.  Not all light is parallel to the earth.   

Im happy that you chose to be helpful instead of barging away frustrated.. Maybe this is good for both of us. I can learn about physics etc, and you can learn how to deal with people.

Ok. Dark energy it is. Dark energy is powering the acceleration of earth too, right?

I only get frustrated when dealing with idiocy. You aren't being idiotic, so there isn't a problem there.

Yes, dark energy is thought to be accelerating the Earth upwards at 9.8 m s^-2 in FET. My proposal is that it affects light more strongly than ordinary matter, and also that light is not shielded from it by the Earth as ordinary matter is.

Not all light is parallel to the earth.

You would have done well to acknowledge this when we were discussing the FE model.