Sinking Ship experiment Results

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Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« Reply #60 on: August 17, 2008, 09:04:34 AM »
If light is bent, shouldn't it only effect the distance to the horizon? Not if a ship/lighthouse/sun is going below/beyond the horizon?
Surely, if the light from the ships hull is bent, the water adjacent to it should also?
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Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« Reply #61 on: August 17, 2008, 09:06:07 AM »
To end that stupid bending light theory I made a crappy ms paint.


As you can see, panel 3 would disappear followed by 2 and then 1.  This would lead a boat to disappear sail first. This is not observed in the pictures. 
So give up on the stupid bending light theory already. 

Thank you dyno for taking it upon yourself to do an experiment.

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« Reply #62 on: August 17, 2008, 09:08:17 AM »
Feel free to edit it. 
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« Reply #63 on: August 17, 2008, 09:19:09 AM »
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« Reply #64 on: August 17, 2008, 09:33:33 AM »


So light can:
Go through the ground
Be effected by this magical light bending force unequally

My picture may of been drawn wrong, but bending light still leads to the top disappearing first. 
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Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« Reply #65 on: August 17, 2008, 09:39:40 AM »
It doesn't go through the ground lol. I think what he was showcasing is the light's path, thus at a certain point, the bottom would disappear first.
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Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« Reply #66 on: August 17, 2008, 09:42:17 AM »
It doesn't go through the ground lol. I think what he was showcasing is the light's path, thus at a certain point, the bottom would disappear first.

Doesn't matter, the pic is still wrong. 
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« Reply #67 on: August 17, 2008, 09:52:01 AM »
This bending light model would require the sun to be 3963 miles away from the closet point (at equinox this would be noon at the equator), and 25215.3 miles from the furthest point where is is visible, that means the area of light would have to be a huge perfect circle with a diameter of 12451 miles.  At equinox, this would be centred on the equator, and so it would look like this:  


However if you were to actually map night and day at equinox, it would have to look like this to account for real sunset/rise times:



Can FEers explain this difference?  



If you want to know How I did my calculations, I simply rearanged calculations of hte earths size for a curved earth and straight light to the opposite, then you see the measurement for the radius of hte earth becomes the distance to the sun and it's all simple from there on.  

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« Reply #68 on: August 17, 2008, 09:54:58 AM »
This seems to be further evidence that light bends upwards. Thanks dyno.

Upward? The light would have to bend downward to achieve the same effect.

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« Reply #69 on: August 17, 2008, 09:56:06 AM »


So light can:
Go through the ground
Be effected by this magical light bending force unequally

My picture may of been drawn wrong, but bending light still leads to the top disappearing first. 

The light transecting the ground, is so you can see where the light would be blocked, and all those curves are Identical, notice they are the same curve pasted on each time, your pic was wrong because it shows the light coming out at a line horizontal to the ground only, you need to draw the line from whatever angle leads to the eye.  Remember light leaves the object at every angle.  

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« Reply #70 on: August 17, 2008, 09:56:57 AM »
This seems to be further evidence that light bends upwards. Thanks dyno.

Upward? The light would have to bend downward to achieve the same effect.

No, to make a curved earth look flat it would bend downwards. 
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« Reply #71 on: August 17, 2008, 10:09:53 AM »
Doesn't matter, the pic is still wrong. 

A lack of comprehension on your part is not the same thing as objective inaccuracy.
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« Reply #72 on: August 17, 2008, 10:13:14 AM »
Doesn't matter, the pic is still wrong. 

A lack of comprehension on your part is not the same thing as objective inaccuracy.
lol

If that pic is right, then climbing a hill will not allow for more of the object to be seen. 

Think before you speak, tool. 
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« Reply #73 on: August 17, 2008, 10:24:11 AM »
lol

If that pic is right, then climbing a hill will not allow for more of the object to be seen. 

Think before you speak, tool. 

Why not?
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Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« Reply #74 on: August 17, 2008, 10:35:12 AM »
lol

If that pic is right, then climbing a hill will not allow for more of the object to be seen. 

Think before you speak, tool. 

Why not?

wow, and you claim my comprehension sucks.

In the pic, the light hits the earth.  Thus it cannot be seen, by anyone.  My pic accounts for more of the object to be seen as one climes a hill. 
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Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« Reply #75 on: August 17, 2008, 10:38:02 AM »
wow, and you claim my comprehension sucks.

In the pic, the light hits the earth.  Thus it cannot be seen, by anyone.  My pic accounts for more of the object to be seen as one climes a hill. 

If you are looking at a laser, then yes. Ships and other objects that one would commonly observe in this context tend to reflect light in more than one direction, however.
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« Reply #76 on: August 17, 2008, 10:48:56 AM »
This seems to be further evidence that light bends upwards. Thanks dyno.

Upward? The light would have to bend downward to achieve the same effect.

No, to make a curved earth look flat it would bend downwards. 
Round earth follows a downward curve, it would be more then normal that you would need downward bending light to achieve the same effect on a flat earth.



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Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« Reply #77 on: August 17, 2008, 10:55:30 AM »
Round earth follows a downward curve, it would be more then normal that you would need downward bending light to achieve the same effect on a flat earth.

You are dumb and post dumb things.
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« Reply #78 on: August 17, 2008, 10:55:38 AM »
If you are looking at a laser, then yes. Ships and other objects that one would commonly observe in this context tend to reflect light in more than one direction, however.

What does it matter whether it is a laser or reflected light?  Shouldn't all light be equally effected?

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« Reply #79 on: August 17, 2008, 11:00:41 AM »
What does it matter whether it is a laser or reflected light?

It matters because lasers are unidirectional.

Shouldn't all light be equally effected?

Yes.
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« Reply #80 on: August 17, 2008, 11:02:19 AM »
Doesn't matter, the pic is still wrong. 

A lack of comprehension on your part is not the same thing as objective inaccuracy.
lol

If that pic is right, then climbing a hill will not allow for more of the object to be seen. 

Think before you speak, tool. 

It is you who are the tool:

Same lines, same curve.  



Seriously, the curved light on a flat earth model produces the exact same horizon effects as straight light on a curved earth.  the problem with it is the experiment someone posted further up, and the daylight map I posted further up.  

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« Reply #81 on: August 17, 2008, 11:02:47 AM »


That is some awesome bending power!
It moves around with every individual viewer and object?
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« Reply #82 on: August 17, 2008, 11:03:54 AM »
That is some awesome bending power!
It moves around with every individual viewer and object?

No, it is constant. You just don't have the brain power to understand it.
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« Reply #83 on: August 17, 2008, 11:11:59 AM »
At what altitude would the light rays be moving vertically?  It seems like at that point, I could see the light emitted, or reflected, off the side of the object by looking straight down.

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« Reply #84 on: August 17, 2008, 11:13:23 AM »
Doesn't matter, the pic is still wrong. 

A lack of comprehension on your part is not the same thing as objective inaccuracy.
lol

If that pic is right, then climbing a hill will not allow for more of the object to be seen. 

Think before you speak, tool. 

It is you who are the tool:

Same lines, same curve.  



Seriously, the curved light on a flat earth model produces the exact same horizon effects as straight light on a curved earth.  the problem with it is the experiment someone posted further up, and the daylight map I posted further up.  



Light doesn't travel straight on a curved earth.  

Also you still haven't addressed the issue with your light bending not uniformly.  
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Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« Reply #85 on: August 17, 2008, 11:14:11 AM »
At what altitude would the light rays be moving vertically?  It seems like at that point, I could see the light emitted, or reflected, off the side of the object by looking straight down.

Never. The force on the light ray perpendicular to the direction of its velocity approaches zero as does the acute angle between its velocity vector and the direction in which dark energy acts.
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« Reply #86 on: August 17, 2008, 11:14:26 AM »
That is some awesome bending power!
It moves around with every individual viewer and object?

OMG STRAIGHT LIGHT MOVES ABOUT WITH EVERY INDIVIDUAL VIEWER AND OBJECT!!!!!!

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« Reply #87 on: August 17, 2008, 11:14:47 AM »
Also you still haven't addressed the issue with your light bending not uniformly.  

It does bend uniformly.
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« Reply #88 on: August 17, 2008, 11:15:52 AM »
That is some awesome bending power!
It moves around with every individual viewer and object?

No, it is constant. You just don't have the brain power to understand it.

Probably not. Can you please explain?
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« Reply #89 on: August 17, 2008, 11:17:06 AM »


Light doesn't travel straight on a curved earth.  

Also you still haven't addressed the issue with your light bending not uniformly.  


Look at the image.  The line is the EXACT SAME LINE, I cut n pasted into different positions, the lines are identical. 
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