Hi, it’s me again. Again I have a few questions and this has to do with weather and travel. I was going to create a thread showing how weather patterns on a spherical earth and how they don’t work on a flat earth, but I ran in to a thread talking about how it would be impossible to travel from different points because their distance is so great in the southern hemisphere on a flat earth.
Now Lomein987 asked “How come it is possible to travel non-stop from a place like Chile to New Zealand non-stop??? on a spherical Earth, the distance is approximately 6000 miles, but using the flat-earth model, the distance is in the neighborhood of approximately 25000 miles. Non-stop flights occur between these two countries all the time. Yet the longest recorded commericial flight has been a mere 10,300 miles (Newark to Indonesia).
How can this non-stop flight be possible to make in approx 13-14 hrs when given the flat Earth distance it should take over 2 days...”
The only answer he got was “Jet streams”. This shows that the person answering the question has no clue about jet streams… I do.
Fig 1-1
There are 3 primary jets:
The first and primary jet would be the Jet stream or polar front jet (thick red arrow). This jet is the fastest of all 3 and known to reach speeds over 200 MPH (very rare). This jet forms because of strong horizontal temperature contrast and coriolis force. Which would not exists on a flat earth, whatever we will ignore that for some other time.
The you have what’s the Sub tropical (blue arrow) jet which can hit speeds of 70 Mph and thanks to the conservation of angular momentum the most northern portion of the jet over the northern hemisphere will be its max speed, and in the southern hemisphere, the most southern portion of the jet will be its max speed. So basically the peaks of the ridges .
Last is the arctic and Antarctic jets (skinny red). These usually stay well below 100 MPH.
All these jets move from WEST to EAST… this is a fact.
The core of these jets are where the high winds speeds are located and if you were to average the entire jets wind speeds out they all will be way below 70 MPH on average.
Fig 1-2
Before anyone says “well If you stay in the core you will be fine”. First of all that’s a really bad idea unless you’re flying in a C130, (hurricane hunter) because of severe turbulence. Second the actual core doesn’t travel at 200 Kts along the Jet stream (ya im going to Kts because that’s what we use in weather), The winds within the core are moving at that speed.
Fig 1-3
Here you can sorta see what I am saying. Think of the air as fluid getting squeezed through a small area which would accelerate it until it was able to free flow again. This is a super basic explanation and if you want to know more information about this subject Google “Jet max”.
Here is my flat earth drawing showing all the jets “working”
Fig 2-1
So here all these winds are still going West to east as you can see. This is a fact and can be observed with any weather radar system (Doppler) just google vertical wind profile, or Skew-T (not Doppler).
So now lets go back to the question that started this all off:
“How come it is possible to travel non-stop from a place like Chile to New Zealand non-stop??? on a spherical Earth, the distance is approximately 6000 miles, but using the flat-earth model, the distance is in the neighborhood of approximately 25000 miles. “
The answer was :
“Jet stream”
I say:
“WRONG”
If they somehow catch a super jet max that goes 200 MPH the whole way around it still wouldn’t be fast enough to make it from one side to the other in the 12-14 hour time frame. They would also be near the speed of sound if not breaking it which means the aircraft would fall apart since it was not designed to handle the stress of breaking the sound barrier or even being near it (aircraft speed 550 MPH + 200 MPH… I know that’s not the speed of sound but almost).
Remember Fig 2-1 when looking at Fig 2-2.
-these drawings aren’t to scale but they are close
With FE the travel distance between A and B is much further than the travel from the points on the FE. One green arrow follows the jet streams the other is the shortest distance which would be faster than following the jet streams because an avg boost of 50-80 MPH from following the Jet stream will only cut the time by a couple of hours. If you’re going 25000 miles with the FET, 100 extra MPH thanks to the Jet it won’t improve you time all that much when traveling 25000 miles. That is nowhere enough speed to cut your trip time down to 12-14 hours. 25000 miles in 12-14 hours just doesn’t work with the magical Jet stream.
Unless this is all a conspiracy… THAT EXPLAINS IT ALL!