Looking for an intelligent argument. (Terminal Velocity)

But like i said it doesnt matter as anything without mass does not cause any sort of distortion.
So objects without mass are of no consequence as far as gravity is concerned.
Things without mass such as light, can be effected by another body's gravity but produce no distortion or gravity of their own.

How did the Jap's in world war 2 use the jetstream to float high altitude balloons to fly east to drop bombs onto the US.

Your full of it. the baseball does not transfer ifnormation to the blanket.

The blanket is not alive and intelligent therefore it can not process "information"

Space does not need to know how much to distort because space is not alive. it cannot "know"

the word "know" is meant for something that is capable of storing knowledge of some type, be it a living being, or a computer. Since space itelf is neither, it can not "know" anything

Like the baseball reaction listed. and like I said, the amount of distortion that poccurs is directly related to the mass!

so there is no magic in gravity. it is only magic to those who dont know.

oh and about without mass, if you want to count gluons, sure count those two. But like i said it doesnt matter as anything without mass does not cause any sort of distortion.

the model predicts the objects acceleration would be zero

how about answering my question as it pertains to terminal velocity

Quote from: cbarnett97 on August 16, 2008, 11:49:15 PM

the model predicts the objects acceleration would be zero

Relative to what?

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how about answering my question as it pertains to terminal velocity

I'm working up to that.  I have found that you require painful detail before you can understand anything.

I don't understand why you won't answer the question.  Is it because you see the error in you way?  Is this some sort of way for you to try to save face? 

You said the acceleration would be zero.  I just want to know: Zero relative to what? 

Quote from: interstellarsphere on August 16, 2008, 11:48:30 PM

Your full of it. the baseball does not transfer ifnormation to the blanket.

Then tell me, how does the blanket know the baseball is on it?

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The blanket is not alive and intelligent therefore it can not process "information"

What?

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Space does not need to know how much to distort because space is not alive. it cannot "know"

Then how can space distort based on mass if it does not need to know about it?

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the word "know" is meant for something that is capable of storing knowledge of some type, be it a living being, or a computer. Since space itelf is neither, it can not "know" anything

Wow, that is amazing.  You must not have ever taken a class in physics.

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Like the baseball reaction listed. and like I said, the amount of distortion that poccurs is directly related to the mass!

So, how does the blanket know how much mass is on it?

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so there is no magic in gravity. it is only magic to those who dont know.

You don't know about the need for a mechanism.  So that is magic, by definition.

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oh and about without mass, if you want to count gluons, sure count those two. But like i said it doesnt matter as anything without mass does not cause any sort of distortion.

They sure can.  You may want to educate yourself prior to arguing with me.

If one of the masses was 0, the result would be 0, and thus no gravitation.

No, you left out energy/momentum/stress-energy tensor.

I asked you a question first so how about you either answer it or admit you do not know

The Blanket DOESN'T "know" the base ball is on it

Just as the chair Im sitting in doesnt "know" im sitting on it.

and no, an object without mas produces no distortions. Can you name one instance?

that wouldnt work.
F = GMm/R²
This equation calculates the graitational equation between 2 objects
 F is the force of attraction between two objects
 G is the universal gravitational constant; G = 6.67*10-11 N-m²/kg². The units of G can be stated as Newton meter-squared per kilogram-squared or Newton square meter per square kilogram.
  M and m are the masses of the two objects
   R is the distance between the objects, as measured from their centers
  GMm/R² is G times M times m divided by R-squared
If one of the masses was 0, the result would be 0, and thus no gravitation.
Therefore, you are wrong.
I need to get an education? your the one who thinks the Earth is flat.
But i have de-mystified the magic behind gravity, and even given you a link to gravities mastr equation.

then show me the correct equation using the model not what we see in reality and remember I have already taken into account for the acceleration of the FE in mine

I am still waiting for the answer to this so after you answer it we can then move onto other topics

Quote from: interstellarsphere on August 17, 2008, 12:06:59 AM

The Blanket DOESN'T "know" the base ball is on it

Then how can the blanket distort?

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Just as the chair Im sitting in doesnt "know" im sitting on it.

But the chair does.  You are applying a force to it.  A force is a transfer of information.

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and no, an object without mas produces no distortions. Can you name one instance?

Photons.

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that wouldnt work.
F = GMm/R²
This equation calculates the graitational equation between 2 objects
 F is the force of attraction between two objects
 G is the universal gravitational constant; G = 6.67*10-11 N-m²/kg². The units of G can be stated as Newton meter-squared per kilogram-squared or Newton square meter per square kilogram.
  M and m are the masses of the two objects
   R is the distance between the objects, as measured from their centers
  GMm/R² is G times M times m divided by R-squared
If one of the masses was 0, the result would be 0, and thus no gravitation.
Therefore, you are wrong.
I need to get an education? your the one who thinks the Earth is flat.
But i have de-mystified the magic behind gravity, and even given you a link to gravities mastr equation.

Explain gravitational lensing, using your 'gravity'.

Quote from: cbarnett97 on August 17, 2008, 12:15:13 AM

I am still waiting for the answer to this so after you answer it we can then move onto other topics

I'm not on another topic.   

/\    acceleration of the earth.  /\     acceleration of the person
|                                          |
|                                          |
When these are equal, the person has reached terminal velocity.

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\/  Acceleration of the person.  /\  Acceleration due to air resistance.
                                           |
When these are equal, the person has reached terminal velocity.


Does that help?  I tried to make it so simple a 6th grader could understand.  But I may be giving you too much credit.

then show me the correct equation using the model not what we see in reality and remember I have already taken into account for the acceleration of the FE in mine

photons are light and do not produce a gravitationl distortion. gravity can distort light but not the other way around. I just showed you the equation,  which proves it.

As fa as gravitational lensing, easy.
Gravity from a supermassive object will distort spacetime including light from a background source, altering the amount of time it takes to reach on observer due to taking a bent path instead of a straight one.
Just like an optical lens will cause light to bend.
for more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lensing

Quote from: interstellarsphere on August 17, 2008, 12:29:00 AM

photons are light and do not produce a gravitationl distortion. gravity can distort light but not the other way around. I just showed you the equation,  which proves it.

Photons have energy and momentum. Thus, they can distort spacetime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_energy_tensor
Do you feel stupid now?

Quote from: interstellarsphere on August 17, 2008, 12:29:00 AM

As fa as gravitational lensing, easy.
Gravity from a supermassive object will distort spacetime including light from a background source, altering the amount of time it takes to reach on observer due to taking a bent path instead of a straight one.
Just like an optical lens will cause light to bend.
for more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lensing

Your argument is refuted

1 Photons are massless.
2 Your version of gravity only affects objects with mass.
3 Your version of gravity cannot affect photons; their paths are not distorted.
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4 Therefore, gravitational lensing is impossible under your "gravity".

EHH wrong.
I said only objects with mass distort space time and produce gravity!I guess you dont read very well.
But the force of gravity can effect light, through lensing.
nice try.

No, it doesn't. Gravity only affects things with mass. Photons are massless. Light composes of photons. Gravity can't affect light.

Get smarter.

EHH wrong.

I said only objects with mass distort space time and produce gravity!I guess you dont read very well.

But the force of gravity can effect light, through lensing.

Quote from: interstellarsphere on August 16, 2008, 11:48:30 PM

But like i said it doesnt matter as anything without mass does not cause any sort of distortion.
So objects without mass are of no consequence as far as gravity is concerned.
Things without mass such as light, can be effected by another body's gravity but produce no distortion or gravity of their own.

No, you left out energy/momentum/stress-energy tensor.

What about black holes?  Serious question.

Quote from: interstellarsphere on August 17, 2008, 12:45:02 AM

EHH wrong.
I said only objects with mass distort space time and produce gravity!I guess you dont read very well.
But the force of gravity can effect light, through lensing.
nice try.

Now you're confusing Newtonian gravity with Einsteinian gravitation.

Quote from: Jack. on August 17, 2008, 01:30:29 AM

No, it doesn't. Gravity only affects things with mass. Photons are massless. Light composes of photons. Gravity can't affect light.

Get smarter.

What about black holes?  Serious question.

energy /momentum/stress arent even all in the same class

Momentum is a force a word to describe a reaction, energy does have mass

because energy is e=Mc2  if mass was 0 the equation would be 0.
try again.

gravity will effect anything within its field.

But only things with mass produce gravity

E=mc2 try again ahahah.

Quote from: interstellarsphere on August 17, 2008, 01:34:31 AM

energy /momentum/stress arent even all in the same class

They aren't. They are sources of a gravitational field.

Quote from: interstellarsphere on August 17, 2008, 01:34:31 AM

Momentum is a force a word to describe a reaction, energy does have mass

Huh, momentum is what again?

Quote from: interstellarsphere on August 17, 2008, 01:34:31 AM

because energy is e=Mc2  if mass was 0 the equation would be 0.
try again.

You forgot E = pc.

Quote from: interstellarsphere on August 17, 2008, 01:34:31 AM

gravity will effect anything within its field.

Except light, of course. There goes your argument.

Quote from: interstellarsphere on August 17, 2008, 01:34:31 AM

But only things with mass produce gravity

For gravity, yes. For gravitation, nope.

Quote from: interstellarsphere on August 17, 2008, 01:34:31 AM

E=mc2 try again ahahah.

You used the wrong equation. Of course, you wrote the equation wrong, too...

I didnt right the equation wrong, i just dont know the button to type suoer script.
E = MC squared.

and that is the correct equation for energy, because all matter contains energy.
The atom bomb works by converting matter into energy.

and again your wrong about light.

Because gravity warps space time, and light has to travel through said space time, therefore light is effected by gravity. again, nice try.

According to general relativity, mass "warps" space-time to create gravitational fields and therefore bend light as a result.

In general relativity, gravity is not construed as a force; hence, if the net force of non-gravitational interactions is negligible, the law that describes motion is Newton's First Law rather than Newton's Second Law. Newton's First Law models position as a function of time in non-relativistic mechanics, but in general relativity the law is rewritten to demand motion along a space-time geodesic. This curvature of space-time causes the path of even a massless particle like a photon to deviate from the straight lines expected from Euclidean intuition; and, in particular, the path is observed to curve in exactly the same way as the geodesics predicted by general relativity.

Quote from: interstellarsphere on August 17, 2008, 01:55:59 AM

I didnt right the equation wrong, i just dont know the button to type suoer script.
E = MC squared.

Still wrong.

Quote from: interstellarsphere on August 17, 2008, 01:55:59 AM

and that is the correct equation for energy, because all matter contains energy.
The atom bomb works by converting matter into energy.

So? This is irrelevant. You use E = pc.

Quote from: interstellarsphere on August 17, 2008, 01:55:59 AM

and again your wrong about light.

Again, I was right. Your brain is just too small to realize it.

Quote from: interstellarsphere on August 17, 2008, 01:55:59 AM

Because gravity warps space time, and light has to travel through said space time, therefore light is effected by gravity. again, nice try.

Gravity (force) can't affect objects without mass, nevermind light. Gravitation can, however. Gravitation affects light's path, bending it. Thus, gravitational lensing occurs.

Quote from: wikipedia

According to general relativity, mass "warps" space-time to create gravitational fields and therefore bend light as a result.

In general relativity, gravity is not construed as a force; hence, if the net force of non-gravitational interactions is negligible, the law that describes motion is Newton's First Law rather than Newton's Second Law. Newton's First Law models position as a function of time in non-relativistic mechanics, but in general relativity the law is rewritten to demand motion along a space-time geodesic. This curvature of space-time causes the path of even a massless particle like a photon to deviate from the straight lines expected from Euclidean intuition; and, in particular, the path is observed to curve in exactly the same way as the geodesics predicted by general relativity.

I recommend you to stop posting to avoid getting pwned more.

actually you just proved what i was saying. The gravity itself didnt directly effect the photo, as it cant it has no mass, but the curvature of Space time itself cause light to deviate from its path.

In general relativity, gravity is not construed as a force. Mass "warps" space-time to create gravitational fields and therefore bend light as a result. This curvature of space-time causes the path of even a massless particle like a photon to deviate from the straight lines expected from Euclidean intuition; and, in particular, the path is observed to curve in exactly the same way as the geodesics predicted by general relativity.

Nice try their buddy. PWNED.

if their is a train on its tracks, i cant directly effect the train, but if i change the path of the tracks it travels on, it will be effected indirectly by my actions.