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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2008, 09:33:03 AM »
Quote from: Fletch on August 18, 2008, 07:04:18 AM
Quote from: spacemanjones on August 18, 2008, 05:49:25 AM
Also this is my day off and on my days off I have other things to do so I would rather not spend an hour or two drawing something out.
Sure you would.

It seems to me that a magnet can be any shape. A cone, for example, with the North Pole at the point, and the south pole at the base. So how about if the cone was hollowed out? And then how about if the cone was squashed down so it was pretty flat, but raised slightly at the point (North Pole) and the outer ring (South Pole/Ice Wall)?

Draw it, i dont get what you are saying....

But your pulling shit out of your ass. If i prove whatever idea your coming up with wrong you will toss another at me that will be just as stupid. Whats wrong with earth being a simple round dipole which explains everything from the Aurora to coriolis force.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2008, 09:53:48 AM »
wow you just completely salted every single flat earther
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2008, 11:01:41 AM »
Quote from: spacemanjones on August 18, 2008, 09:33:03 AM
Quote from: Fletch on August 18, 2008, 07:04:18 AM
Quote from: spacemanjones on August 18, 2008, 05:49:25 AM
Also this is my day off and on my days off I have other things to do so I would rather not spend an hour or two drawing something out.
Sure you would.

It seems to me that a magnet can be any shape. A cone, for example, with the North Pole at the point, and the south pole at the base. So how about if the cone was hollowed out? And then how about if the cone was squashed down so it was pretty flat, but raised slightly at the point (North Pole) and the outer ring (South Pole/Ice Wall)?

Draw it, i dont get what you are saying....

But your pulling shit out of your ass. If i prove whatever idea your coming up with wrong you will toss another at me that will be just as stupid. Whats wrong with earth being a simple round dipole which explains everything from the Aurora to coriolis force.

I think he's suggesting that the magnetic pole opposite the northern pole is not a point pole, but a ring pole (which doesn't really make sense as an expression) that runs all the way around the disc shaped earth.  I'm not magnetics expert, but wouldn't this be something other than a dipole?  Is this sort of a magnet even possible?

Fletch, is that right?  You're suggesting that basically the region of the ice wall is the southern pole, not the opposite side of the disc?
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2008, 11:28:15 AM »
the loop has to close, thats the problem...
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2008, 12:33:31 PM »
Quote from: spacemanjones on August 18, 2008, 11:28:15 AM
the loop has to close, thats the problem...

Maybe there's a series of gigantic iron ore veins extending radially outward from the north pole like spokes. 

Perhaps the magnetic field isn't really magnetic...hell if the earth can be better than 70,000 miles in circumference, flat, zero mass, is under constant acceleration and jet streams moving at supersonic velocities then its not that much of a stretch to imagine some sort of "other" force that behaves alot like magnetism but it doesn't require that pesky closed loop design. 

Pretty convenient I think you'll agree.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2008, 03:23:07 PM »
Quote from: mayhem on August 18, 2008, 12:33:31 PM
Quote from: spacemanjones on August 18, 2008, 11:28:15 AM
the loop has to close, thats the problem...

Maybe there's a series of gigantic iron ore veins extending radially outward from the north pole like spokes. 

Perhaps the magnetic field isn't really magnetic...hell if the earth can be better than 70,000 miles in circumference, flat, zero mass, is under constant acceleration and jet streams moving at supersonic velocities then its not that much of a stretch to imagine some sort of "other" force that behaves alot like magnetism but it doesn't require that pesky closed loop design. 

Pretty convenient I think you'll agree.

Your right... still no good answers on the post =(
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #36 on: August 18, 2008, 06:31:54 PM »
The Bible actually teaches a spherical shape for the earth. In Isaiah 40:22 God is said to sit above “the circle of the earth” (the Hebrew word for circle can also mean a sphere). Also, in Luke 17:34–36 Christ's Second Coming is portrayed as occurring while some are asleep at night and others are working at daytime activities — which means a rotating earth with day and night at the same time.

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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #37 on: August 18, 2008, 07:00:07 PM »
Quote from: spacemanjones on August 18, 2008, 09:33:03 AM
But your pulling shit out of your ass. If i prove whatever idea your coming up with wrong you will toss another at me that will be just as stupid. Whats wrong with earth being a simple round dipole which explains everything from the Aurora to coriolis force.

Quote from: Fletch on August 16, 2008, 10:26:36 PM
Like Robosteve I know nothing about meterology. But I'm happy to throw some ideas out there.

Quote from: spacemanjones on August 16, 2008, 08:54:36 PM
But i wouldn't mind if you came up with some theorys so i could disprove them.

Like I have said, I know nothing about any of this stuff, and I'm just trying to work out solutions to the questions you are asking. If you're tired of playing, don't reply.



So this is a cross section of the FE showing what I meant.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2008, 08:43:33 PM »
Use the line tool man (just messing with ya)

I see what you did, few more questions...:



There arn't very many diffrent things you can do. One will look like a drawing i already did. The other would mean that the north pole is pushing its self apart.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2008, 10:54:21 PM »
Sorry that it wasn't clear, the bottom thick line of my drawing is not magnetic lines, but the actual magnet. I didn't put in the magnetic lines that occur under the planet.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2008, 03:42:58 AM »
You do know that positive and negative apply to electric charges, not magnetic poles, don't you?
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2008, 04:51:30 AM »
Not me. I was just copying from his diagrams.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2008, 04:56:37 AM »
That was directed at whoever mislabeled N as - and S as +.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2008, 05:01:15 AM »
I know. Just highlighting my ignorance to the subject matter I'm arguing. ;)
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2008, 05:14:38 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on August 19, 2008, 03:42:58 AM
You do know that positive and negative apply to electric charges, not magnetic poles, don't you?

I am trying to make this as simple as possible. He doesn't understand and, im sure he doesn't know but what he is drawing out just isn't right. I don't know how to tell him hes not right so now he is going to think he is right. this last page of drawing you have made still dont explain the Aurora on flat earth to put it simple words.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #45 on: August 19, 2008, 05:27:05 AM »
Doesn't it make the magentic fields enter the earth at the South Pole, thereby mirroring what you see in RE?

Quote from: Fletch on August 18, 2008, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: spacemanjones on August 18, 2008, 09:33:03 AM
But your pulling shit out of your ass. If i prove whatever idea your coming up with wrong you will toss another at me that will be just as stupid. Whats wrong with earth being a simple round dipole which explains everything from the Aurora to coriolis force.

Quote from: Fletch on August 16, 2008, 10:26:36 PM
Like Robosteve I know nothing about meterology. But I'm happy to throw some ideas out there.

Quote from: spacemanjones on August 16, 2008, 08:54:36 PM
But i wouldn't mind if you came up with some theorys so i could disprove them.

I don't know where you get the idea I would think I'm right, or claim some kind of victory just because you can't explain to me why I am wrong. I have no specific education/training in this field and am just throwing ideas out there. If you're not enjoying discussing this with me, you should stop.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #46 on: August 19, 2008, 06:30:47 AM »
Sorry...
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #47 on: August 19, 2008, 10:06:20 AM »
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I didn't know 50 Cent had his own line of orienteering equipment, I guess being gangsta is also highly important in the countryside.

Its true, all part of the conspiracy.  I do get royalties however.
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You know what sucks... your doing all this but, its all a lie because your really not doing it because the earth is flat...
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #48 on: August 21, 2008, 07:20:15 AM »
Quote from: Fletch on August 17, 2008, 01:40:38 AM
But if your theory is correct, then that would disprove that there is just 1 south pole so I'm looking for an alternative theory.

Are you saying, that his theory disproves yours, so his theory is invalidated? I don't want to put words into your mouth, I'm just clarifying this.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #49 on: August 21, 2008, 08:00:04 AM »
Quote from: Nightmare on August 21, 2008, 07:20:15 AM
Quote from: Fletch on August 17, 2008, 01:40:38 AM
But if your theory is correct, then that would disprove that there is just 1 south pole so I'm looking for an alternative theory.

Are you saying, that his theory disproves yours, so his theory is invalidated? I don't want to put words into your mouth, I'm just clarifying this.

If the whole outerrim of the FE was "S" the aurora still wouldnt work out as i started the post with. I am trying to think how to disprove his theory but i guess the best way to do it is by showing how other features associated with the earths mag field dont work out with his idea. Scintillation is one of them and very common on the night side of earth, and its observable with UHF coms.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #50 on: August 21, 2008, 08:13:55 AM »



looks like a bra to me
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #51 on: August 21, 2008, 03:12:48 PM »
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looks like a bra to me
And you think that's accidental?
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #52 on: August 21, 2008, 03:35:41 PM »
Quote from: spacemanjones on August 15, 2008, 06:00:24 AM


During times of geomagnetic storming we will get auroras (on the flat earth) in locations #1 AKA the arctic, and #3 AKA Antarctica. But this doesn’t work because  you can see the magnetosphere is blocking #3 which does not allow the suns particles to hit and charge the atmosphere causing those wonderful lights, but it would under the earth in location #2 which is sad because no one is there to see them other than Ice guards, klingons or whatever.

My challenge is prove to me that all this works ...

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Quote from: Fletch on August 17, 2008, 01:40:38 AM
But if your theory is correct, then that would disprove that there is just 1 south pole so I'm looking for an alternative theory.

Are you saying, that his theory disproves yours, so his theory is invalidated? I don't want to put words into your mouth, I'm just clarifying this.
I was just trying to come up with a FE model that would explaing the Southern Lights. If the magnetsosphere at the south pole stops them from happening in the drawing above, then logically the position of the Ice Wall must be magnetic South, so that the lines of magnetism enter the earth at this point and we can see the pretty lights.

I'm not trying to prove/invalidate either theory. Just trying to make a workable FE model. If we assume that the lines of magnetism run the way they do, and it is where they "enter" the earth that causes the Northern/Sourthen lights, then the magnetic South Pole must be at the ring of the Ice Wall.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #53 on: August 21, 2008, 05:54:33 PM »
That's cool but remember if you make it work with one thing it also needs to work with:

-South Atlantic anomaly
-Diurnal Scintillation
-aurora

There are a few other things I have also thought about but I need to research them.

-Would the effects of a geomag storm be the same as what we observe currently?
-same as above but a solar flare instead of storming.


Solving the problem for one thing doesn't mean they are al solved... well they all are in a RE already... oh well.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #54 on: August 21, 2008, 06:30:53 PM »
Quote from: spacemanjones on August 21, 2008, 05:54:33 PM
That's cool but remember if you make it work with one thing it also needs to work with:

-South Atlantic anomaly
-Diurnal Scintillation
-aurora

I have no idea what those things are, but if you can put them in laymans terms, I'll have a go at making them fit the FE model.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2008, 07:24:48 PM »
Quote from: Fletch on August 21, 2008, 06:30:53 PM
Quote from: spacemanjones on August 21, 2008, 05:54:33 PM
That's cool but remember if you make it work with one thing it also needs to work with:

-South Atlantic anomaly
-Diurnal Scintillation
-aurora

I have no idea what those things are, but if you can put them in laymans terms, I'll have a go at making them fit the FE model.
-The 1st one is explained in the 1st post of this thread.

-The 2nd one has to do with the diffrent layers of the atmosphere. there is layer that thins out at night mostly over the magnetic equator, and reforms during the day due to the sun. this is the layer that is used to bounce UHF signals off of.

-The 3rd you know what it is and its easier to just google.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #56 on: August 21, 2008, 09:14:13 PM »
Okay, so I'm reading this right.

1. It's because the magnetic poles don't go through the exact middle of the earth. So if the North pole is off centre, as you drew it in your first post, wouldn't that answer that?

2. I don't understand why this can't happen in the FE model in the same way it happens in RE?

3. The pretty lights visible where the magnetic fields penetrate the earth? That's mainly what I've been trying to get to work.

Basically I'm trying to get the lines of magnetism to run in the same way as they do in RE, thereby duplicating any effects that you might see in both models.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2008, 01:58:46 AM »
1. the position of the SAA is because of the offset of the magnetic Axis.

2. Because the Diurnal Diurnal Scintillation occurs over the equator because thats is where the earths atmosphere and mag field are at their thickest and that is where the suns hits his the same avg amount of time every day 365 days a year. FE sun somehow swaps orbits for seasons.

3. the lights dont uccure exactly where the fields turn in to tearth just slightly south the greater the storming, the greater or further in they occur.

oh and here is a 4. in RE the earths tild play a very large role in the storming and aurora. if the N of the earths mag field is pointed to the sun and the suns storming is + (the suns solar wind can be + or -), odds are unless it is very strong coronal hole, we wont get storming. If the charges are S to +, it doesnt take much for storming. This can also determine if the N or S of earth gets an aurora which goes very well with the earth being round and its tilt.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2008, 03:27:44 AM »
Yeah, I'm thinking we're at an impasse here.

1. If we moved the position of Magnetic North, isn't that the offset of the Magnetic Axis?

2. If I've duplicated the magnetic fields and the seasons are duplicated by the orbit of the sun, I don't see why this should be different.

3. Again, if I've duplicated the magnetic fields I don't see why this would be different.

4. I don't see why the earth needs to be a sphere on a tilt for this to occur, as opposed to the different orbits of the sun in the FE model.
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Re: If the earth is flat explain this to me Part 1
« Reply #59 on: August 22, 2008, 10:28:32 PM »
Please stop asking me dumb questions, you clearly don't understand the earths mag field (i am not expert either). The questions you are asking make no sence and show that you don't know what you are talking about. Ya i am sure your going to stump me but that doesn't make your theory right. I would recomend you study your theorys, learn about the mag field then ask me a questions worth answering.

Right now you ar doing the:
What if this...?
- i answer

Well what if...?
- i answer

Well what if...?
- I don't know
AHA!!!! the earth is flat see...

This will never end.
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