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WardoggKC130FE

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« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2008, 11:24:01 PM »
HCAX is Hawaii Combined Arms Exercise.

Im at PHNG.

Oops beat me to it.

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« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2008, 11:25:09 PM »
HCAX is Hawaii Combined Arms Exercise.

Im at PHNG.

Oops beat me to it.

I love your sig boss, thats a quick way to say something I never have words for

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« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2008, 11:26:28 PM »
And ICAO?
Why justify an illegitimate attack with a legitimate response?

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WardoggKC130FE

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« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2008, 11:27:51 PM »
International Civil Aviation Organization

Those funny little four letter codes for airports.

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WardoggKC130FE

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« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2008, 11:29:16 PM »
I love your sig boss, thats a quick way to say something I never have words for

To be honest with you I can't remember where I picked it up....but Ive been putting in sig's for a long long time.

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« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2008, 11:29:27 PM »
And ICAO?

Cmon Robbyj, I know you know how to use google LOL

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« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2008, 11:30:25 PM »
I'm bored at work, just making coversation.  Aren't a lot of those 3 letters though, like LAX or am I thinking of something different.
Why justify an illegitimate attack with a legitimate response?

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« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2008, 11:32:57 PM »
I'm bored at work, just making coversation.  Aren't a lot of those 3 letters though, like LAX or am I thinking of something different.

yup that exactly where those come from.  You only see 3 letter usualy cause thats all the US uses.  Each internatonal area has it's own 4th, starting letter.  Like the us is K, Pacific regions is P, and a lot others but i don't have a IFR (in flight refrence) to look them all up.

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« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2008, 11:34:36 PM »
Ski is going to have a fit when he sees there is two of us now.

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« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2008, 11:35:11 PM »
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Celestial Nav to get across the ponds.

Following the direction of the setting sun / traveling eastwards in relation to the North Star would also get you "across the pond"

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Also we use INS systems that use gyroscopes, we have gyroscopic compasses onboard,

The weights in gyroscopes and gyrocompasses are affected by the same cosmic gravitation which affects the weight of the Foucault Pendulum. Gyroscopes and gyrocompasses are really just pointing towards the North Star, which is the center of attraction the stars rotate around.

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Great circles

Traveling a Great Circle route is possible on a Flat Earth.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za47.htm

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rhumb lines

Traveling on a Rhumb line is also possible on a Flat Earth.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za47.htm

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« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2008, 11:36:06 PM »
Oddly enough, the ICAO knows the earth is flat too.

Why justify an illegitimate attack with a legitimate response?

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« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2008, 11:37:12 PM »
Ski is going to have a fit when he sees there is two of us now.
Actually, three.  I saw another one in a thread earlier today.
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« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2008, 11:37:41 PM »
OH man three Marines in one place and its a regime change waiting to happen.

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« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2008, 11:38:36 PM »
Oddly enough, the ICAO knows the earth is flat too.



Stupid ICAO. 

Man that conspiracy really is falling apart.  Between them and the UN everyone will soon know.

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« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2008, 11:39:10 PM »
OH man three Marines in one place and its a regime change waiting to happen.

Or at least a bar fight.
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« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2008, 11:40:38 PM »
At least.  ;D

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« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2008, 11:43:17 PM »
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Great circles

Traveling a Great Circle route is possible on a Flat Earth.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za47.htm

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rhumb lines


Rhumb line is possible yes, but dosn't make any sense in the southern himsiphere.  If you fly a rhumb line in the real world in teh sourthern hemispher you move farther south.  In FE it would make you fly further north

And NO IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO FLY A GREAT CIRCLE ON A DISC.  A great circle is a line over the surface of a sphere as if you cut it perfectly in half.  If you cut a disc in half you only get great circles that run north to south.  You can fly a great circle in any direction in the real world.  This is like all the poeple that are saying we are in a recession when we still have  yet to go negative growth in GDP (yes i know the economy still sucks, i'm not saying it dosn't).  Your rewriting definitions to fit your own argument.  

Tom you have no idea what so ever about navigation and that is evident with your pitiful refrences.  In a flat earth the lines of longitude can not get closer in the south, the only get larger.  This fact is the signle event that throws off all your fake ass maps and 'charts' of a flat earth.  It's what causes the distance distortion and discrepencies in the southern regions, which none of you can nor has ever explained.
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« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2008, 11:44:07 PM »
Oddly enough, the ICAO knows the earth is flat too.



Wait the UN is involved?  NO WAY THEY CAN KEEP A SECRET, they don't do anything but spend money

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« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2008, 11:46:32 PM »
Take a look at a UN flag, it's like an ironic inside joke.
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« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2008, 11:47:32 PM »
Take a look at a UN flag, it's like an ironic inside joke.

Yeah it is

But no offense, but anyone who uses the UN as a refrences is really really really desperate for sources...

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« Reply #50 on: August 14, 2008, 11:50:32 PM »
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And NO IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO FLY A GREAT CIRCLE ON A DISC

Why not? Pilots chart great circle routes onto flat maps all the time.

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« Reply #51 on: August 14, 2008, 11:52:31 PM »
I'm not desperate for anything, like I said earlier, I'm just making conversation.
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« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2008, 12:02:44 AM »
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And NO IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO FLY A GREAT CIRCLE ON A DISC

Why not? Pilots chart great circle routes onto flat maps all the time.

Again no idea about how navigation works.  The "flat chart" you are refering to is a gnomoic chart.  It maintains shape and size, but requries you to curve the lines of longitude.  Now on a mercador chart a great circle is curved, but those are almost usless in anything but land nav, or big maps for elemetry kids.  Go look up what a great circle is on wiki or something for @#$* sake.  You might actually understand how completly stupid every argument you've thrown out about Great circles and rhumb lines has been. 

Again, a great circle requires a GLOBE.  All of our current day charts that those pesky pilots use is based on a GLOBE.  This is like the 4th time I've seen you use real world physics or facts that suposidly are false, faked, or a concipiracy and used them to argue your side.  MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MIND!

You can stop making stupid assumptions and jumping from point A to K or somwhere in the middle with no real grasp of how or why you ended up there.
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« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2008, 03:05:10 AM »
NEEMAN is just a leg humper.

If you continue to engage in constant personal attacks, I am going to report you. Your conduct easily qualifies as flaming in many instances, and I for one am sick of it.
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« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2008, 08:01:16 AM »
LOL

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« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2008, 08:56:43 AM »
Oddly enough, the ICAO knows the earth is flat too.



Note how extremly small australia is on that pic.. Yes, the picture is small, but compare it to another island.. That is clearly just a picture of the round earth taken right above the north pole

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« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2008, 08:59:56 AM »
Note how extremly small australia is on that pic.. Yes, the picture is small, but compare it to another island.. That is clearly just a picture of the round earth taken right above the north pole

Then how is it even possible to see Australia?
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2008, 09:50:06 AM »
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And NO IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO FLY A GREAT CIRCLE ON A DISC

Why not? Pilots chart great circle routes onto flat maps all the time.

Again no idea about how navigation works.  The "flat chart" you are refering to is a gnomoic chart.  It maintains shape and size, but requries you to curve the lines of longitude.  Now on a mercador chart a great circle is curved, but those are almost usless in anything but land nav, or big maps for elemetry kids.  Go look up what a great circle is on wiki or something for @#$* sake.  You might actually understand how completly stupid every argument you've thrown out about Great circles and rhumb lines has been. 
airwingmarine... I initially was pretty upset with my first few postings with Tom Bishop, but once I learned that he's speaking a slightly different language than I am, things got better.

What he means is... it's possible to fly 'great circle-like' routes on a flat earth. Regarding whether a "great circle-like" route is shorter than the straight line route on a flat earth, I believe Tom Bishop will reply that it's part of the conspiracy.

Yea... there may be an approach us RE'ers can take that would require ever more and more people be brought into the conspiracy to account for all these discrepancies, like, in this case, fuel efficiency as if I allow the FE'ers to have GPS makers and pilots be in on the conspiracy then they can't explain the vastly different fuel consumption needed to fly a longer 'great circle-like' route on a flat earth to get to their final destination. Seems like the conspiracy would require planes with larger than is generally known fuel tanks on them or mid-air refueling, or vastly better fuel efficiency than is generally known to accomplish this. But... for the time being... I'm paying more attention to the strange optics and astronomy that FE'ers believe in and hope someone else with actual flight experience may try going in this direction.

At the end of the day though, I doubt us RE'ers showing the FE'ers that their conspiracy needs to be 10x or even 100x the size they think it is will be persuasive. So... IMHO, this is a dead end. :(


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« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2008, 10:01:17 AM »
I believe (yet again I'm not sure.. But that's not possible, is it?) that australia isn't completley hidden if you see earth from above. You can see it, but only in a highly distorted way.

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« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2008, 11:24:26 AM »
Oddly enough, the ICAO knows the earth is flat too.



It's a representation of earth which shows all countries as neutral instead of having europe / america / asia in the middle.