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« on: August 14, 2008, 11:45:15 AM »
I spent 5 years in the Marines as an Aerial Navigator on KC-130s.  Right before my time the guys still used Celestial Nav to get across the ponds.  Most of this would not be possible if the world were flat (IE they can use it anywhere on the planet northern or southern hemisphere)  Also we use INS systems that use gyroscopes, we have gyroscopic compasses onboard, as well as about 500 charts that would not work if the planet was a disk.  I've flown south of the equator a few times.  Lines of longitude are Great circles around the planet.  This means they get closer to each other as you move farther south or north.  I've also flown over 2500 miles in a single sitting as a navigator and if the planet was flat, simple facts such as rhumb lines and great circle courses would not work.  A rhumb line is a course where you fly the same heading at all times.  If you move in a rhumb line this you will not move you  in a strait line across the surface.  You will slowly curve either to the south poll or the north poll in a cork screw manner because of how the lines of latitude squeeze together as u move up.  On top of all of this the shortest distance along the surface of a sphere between two points is called a great circle.  This is how all the and boats and airplanes get around the planet.  So with my personal experience and being on every continent except Antarctica I'm going to have to disagree with everything you say.  As I'm sure you will do with me.  As near as I can tell, you come up with off the wall reasons to discount stuff, most of which is conspiracy theory stuff.  There is overwhelming proof and scientific fact to show the earth is round.  Everything from Pangea and plate tectonics and volcanism, to celestial mapping space flight, and geosynchronous satellites completely disprove any shred of a flat planet. 

On top of all of this I have a few close friends in the space program.  And I doubt there going to make up stories for little ole me.
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sokarul

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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2008, 11:46:36 AM »
Great a sudden influx of noobs.  Where did you guys come from? 
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2008, 11:48:47 AM »
Fox News trolls.  SMILE you have national attention now!!!!

I'm waiting for my nephew so we can go fishing and couldn't resist this...

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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2008, 11:50:37 AM »
Fox News trolls.  SMILE you have national attention now!!!!

I'm waiting for my nephew so we can go fishing and couldn't resist this...
Trust me, I think this site should go away.  It is retarded. 
This site was on the BBC not to long ago, that's why I can back. 

Was it on their site or on TV? 
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2008, 11:53:26 AM »
Main story in there scientific section I think... Or one of the top 3 that has a picture..

Web Site to actualy answer your question...lol

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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2008, 11:55:46 AM »
Main story in there scientific section I think... Or one of the top 3 that has a picture..

Web Site to actualy answer your question...lol
Its looking like its just the BBC article. 
Opps, it clearly says its the BBC article. 
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2008, 11:57:56 AM »
Great a sudden influx of noobs.  Where did you guys come from? 

At least their post counts are under 100. You have 4137 posts and are still a noob.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2008, 11:58:52 AM »
Great a sudden influx of noobs.  Where did you guys come from? 

At least their post counts are under 100. You have 4137 posts and are still a noob.
If I am a noob, what does that make you? A pile of Shit? 
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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2008, 12:01:39 PM »
I just wana know how you twist science to disprove rhumb lines, great circles and naviagtions simplest mechanics.  It is all premised on a spherical earth, not a flat one.  Latitude and longitude would not work, well latitude would I guess.

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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2008, 12:03:31 PM »
Great a sudden influx of noobs.  Where did you guys come from? 

At least their post counts are under 100. You have 4137 posts and are still a noob.
If I am a noob, what does that make you? A pile of Shit? 

Oh god, you are just too funny to be true. Seriously, can anyone believe this? sokarul, you are such a loser, it's beyond measure. ::)


Anyway:

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/index.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,403802,00.html
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2008, 12:04:52 PM »
I just wana know how you twist science to disprove rhumb lines, great circles and naviagtions simplest mechanics.  It is all premised on a spherical earth, not a flat one.  Latitude and longitude would not work, well latitude would I guess.

There are no more than 7 people on here that think the earth is flat.

 
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2008, 01:14:46 PM »
this site is a big joke right??  i read this this morning on foxnews too but couldnt believe it, so i picked a thread without that guy rambling bullshit for half a page...but seriously, this is a funny fake website right?

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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2008, 01:18:33 PM »
this site is a big joke right??  i read this this morning on foxnews too but couldnt believe it, so i picked a thread without that guy rambling bullshit for half a page...but seriously, this is a funny fake website right?

99.something percent of this site is fake. There really are a few people that believe the earth is flat.  At least one believes its flat because of the bible.  NEEMAN is just a leg humper.  Dogplatter is a real fe'er, although sometimes I question that with his arguments (like the dinosaur building boats). 
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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2008, 01:19:30 PM »

Dogplatter is a real fe'er, although sometimes I question that with his arguments (like the dinosaur building boats). 
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I serously thought that was a joke...for the first 3 pages...

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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2008, 01:20:46 PM »

Dogplatter is a real fe'er, although sometimes I question that with his arguments (like the dinosaur building boats). 

I serously thought that was a joke...for the first 3 pages...
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I would love to find out that it was. 
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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2008, 01:31:19 PM »
hmmm..ok cool, i mean, i dont hate on anyone for there beliefs but this is obsurd...

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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2008, 01:49:20 PM »
I still wana hear what cockamamy idea they come up with to discount rhumb lines, and great circles.  Oh and those pesky lines of longitude....

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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2008, 02:31:19 PM »
I still wana hear what cockamamy idea they come up with to discount rhumb lines, and great circles.  Oh and those pesky lines of longitude....

Greetings from a Marine Herk Flight Engineer.


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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2008, 03:26:28 PM »
I still wana hear what cockamamy idea they come up with to discount rhumb lines, and great circles.  Oh and those pesky lines of longitude....

Greetings from a Marine Herk Flight Engineer.



Hey, maybe in there reality it dosn't take 15min for the INS to align right? HAHA ;)

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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2008, 03:28:19 PM »
More than likely.

Your right though.  They have a harder time explaining away celestial nav.

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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2008, 03:36:09 PM »
More than likely.

Your right though.  They have a harder time explaining away celestial nav.

They dumped it about a year before I got to the fleet so I only know what a few of the SNCO's showed me when were bored over the water.  Everything that has to do with navigation on a chart requires a globe, not a disk.  It's friggin silly.  Coreolis affect has a direct influence on the compases and INS, that why you have to input lattiutde into the both of them.

But were both part of THE CONCIPRACY though so, what ever...

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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2008, 03:44:25 PM »
But were both part of THE CONCIPRACY though so, what ever...

Eagle, GLOBE and anchor.  Duh!   ::)

Semper Fi dude.   :D
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2008, 08:22:54 PM »
More than likely.

Your right though.  They have a harder time explaining away celestial nav.

They dumped it about a year before I got to the fleet so I only know what a few of the SNCO's showed me when were bored over the water.  Everything that has to do with navigation on a chart requires a globe, not a disk.  It's friggin silly.  Coreolis affect has a direct influence on the compases and INS, that why you have to input lattiutde into the both of them.

But were both part of THE CONCIPRACY though so, what ever...

Are you at 234 or 452?

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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2008, 09:21:52 PM »
More than likely.

Your right though.  They have a harder time explaining away celestial nav.

They dumped it about a year before I got to the fleet so I only know what a few of the SNCO's showed me when were bored over the water.  Everything that has to do with navigation on a chart requires a globe, not a disk.  It's friggin silly.  Coreolis affect has a direct influence on the compases and INS, that why you have to input lattiutde into the both of them.

But were both part of THE CONCIPRACY though so, what ever...

Are you at 234 or 452?


I was 452, I'm done now.

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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2008, 09:48:50 PM »
I used to be at 452 back in 94-99

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« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2008, 10:49:08 PM »
I used to be at 452 back in 94-99

Living in hawaii now I see? you lucky bastard.  I love it there.  Nothing comes close to the fun of HCAX :)

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« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2008, 11:13:00 PM »
Is HCAX Hickam?
Why justify an illegitimate attack with a legitimate response?

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« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2008, 11:18:29 PM »
Is HCAX Hickam?

LOL, no Hickam/Honolulu is PHNL in ICAO terms

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« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2008, 11:21:12 PM »
Nevermind, that's air force anyway.  I was in Pearl back in the day, that's why I was asking.
Why justify an illegitimate attack with a legitimate response?

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« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2008, 11:22:19 PM »
Nevermind, that's air force anyway.  I was in Pearl back in the day, that's why I was asking.

Sorry didn't really answer what HCAX is, HCAX is another silly military acronym for Hawaii Combined Arms eXercise