conspiricy: ISS

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conspiricy: ISS
« on: August 12, 2008, 04:24:03 AM »
How could the ISS be faked? 

Lets analyse.

Building the ISS

As far as construction of the modules, the contractors could build them the same as is they were going to space, then they could just be put into a secret shed somewhere.
Launching the modules would require fakery, either

the modules are launched for real, then secretly landed and hidden,
the payload in the rockets would be secretly switched before launch with replicas of the exterior, or
the modules be launched and destroyed and exact replicas produced. 
the modules are neither made, nor launched, it is all made up, the ISS shots are all CGI. 

For scenario 1, it would need a secret landing site, and would require that the launch vehicles (other than the shuttle) were secretly redesigned to allow re-entry and landing, and have this redesign concealed during the launches.  This would require a secret factory to produce the re-entry modules.

for scenario 2, this would require the cooperation of the technicians responsible for loading the payload, and require a logistical operation to smuggle out the real modules and smuggle the fake ones in.  This would need truck drivers, people to load and unload and security to all be in on it. 

Scenario 3 would simply require a secret factory to make the replicas


All these first 3 would need all the standard parts of a fake rocket launch, thus they would need altered guidance systems, either fake telemetry for mission control or to have them all in on it, radar tracking stations would need to be in on it, or have fake instruments, and the rocket would have to re enter in a place where there are no witnesses. 

scenario 4 would need all people making the ISS modules to be in on it, and everyone at the launch site including witnesses and press to be in on it. 


as far as I can see scenario 3 seems most efficient for non shuttle launches,  From what you can see in photos, Nasa's shuttle mission control has 32+ people and ISS mission control has 32 and Russian ISS control has 36 people in it.  It seems easier to have them in on it than to fool them with fake data, as it would take as many man hours to make the data up as to analyse it, and this would mean you don't need a second set of commanders to fly the rocket to unseen destruction.  For shuttle launches, scenario 1 would need to be used, because the shuttle has to be recovered, secretly building a new shuttle for every launch would need a whole new factory making shuttles.  And also, the shuttle needs a secret landing and launch site, so it can be launched again ready to come back for its landing, to account for time in space. 


I'll leave it there for now and hear what everyone has to say on it, whats everyone estimates of people needed to fake the building of hte ISS. 

Then we can go onto the running of the ISS. 


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Re: conspiricy: ISS
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2008, 05:03:02 AM »
What really confuses me then is how did NASA and other space agencies make those videos of astronauts floating around in the space station, i.e. in the zero gravity created by something in orbit around Earth? Why must everyone be in on something. Why can't some things actually be real?

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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2008, 05:15:29 AM »
Did you see Independence Day?  How did they fake giant ships over New York (hint: Special Effects).

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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2008, 05:34:10 AM »
If *everything* was faked with special effects, then the entire of NASA, the Russian space agency and ESA would have to be in on it all, and so would everyone within sight of all the launch pads, and there would need to be a huge production crew to make the fake movies. 

Also all hte people who work for all hte contractors would have to be in on it to.  Unless they actually built and pretended to launch it.  how much would it cost them to launch an empty rocket vs bribing thousands of people to say they saw it.  Would it be easier to build it for real then hide it or pay thousands of people to pretend to build it? 

What would be easier? 

as for the films from inflight, we can go into that after we work this bit out.
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2008, 05:42:11 AM »
There is a huge production crew, of course.  But the Jews can afford to pay them enough to keep quiet.

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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2008, 05:42:44 AM »
If I may add something. What's to be gained from not allowing people to know the Earth is flat? Either way, we're all on it. Wouldn't it more sense to come up with someway of draining billions of dollars from the government/s that didn't affect everyone on the planet?

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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2008, 05:50:44 AM »
Because Satan is trying to discredit the Bible.  The Bible states clearly that the Earth is flat, and once you stop taking the Bible literally, it opens the door for things like gays, evolution, the abolition of slavery, non-terminating non-repeating decimals, and communism (which was caused by atheism).

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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2008, 05:51:56 AM »
Because Satan is trying to discredit the Bible.  The Bible states clearly that the Earth is flat, and once you stop taking the Bible literally, it opens the door for things like gays, evolution, the abolition of slavery, non-terminating non-repeating decimals, and communism (which was caused by atheism).

what bible?

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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2008, 06:01:47 AM »
The Christian Bible!

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Matthew 4:8 The devil took him (Jesus) to a very high mountain and displayed before him all the kingdoms of the world in their magnificence

Impossible on a Round earth!

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Daniel 4:7-8, "I saw a tree of great height at the center of the world. It was large and strong, with its top touching the heavens, and it could be seen from the ends of the earth."

Impossible on a Round Earth!  No matter how tall, the tree wouldn't be visible from the other side!

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Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit

There is no end to the Earth on Round Earth!

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"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises.  (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"

Proof that it is the Sun that moves, not the Earth!

So you see, the Bible clearly supports Flat Earth!  There are many more passages as well, that strongly imply a flat earth model but don't explicitly state it.  There's some great resources on the Internet.  This is what convinced me to be a Flat Earther originally.  I grew up being taught the Bible was infallible, and so since it says the Earth is flat, it must be so!

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2008, 06:17:59 AM »
I'm trying to show out how much it would cost and how many people would be involved to make the conspiricy sucessfull, the thread that the Ctrl-Vtards point to estimates only 3 or 4 people at NASA would know, and only 1 person would be needed to operate the GPS system, and it also claims only 50 people have been into space, (488 is hte real figure) and it is just a joke.  So I wana work out a realistic figure. 
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Re: conspiricy: ISS
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2008, 06:21:03 AM »
What you have to recognise is that people can be doing things for the conspiracy without actually knowing there is a conspiracy or even realising what they are really doing.
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2008, 06:24:47 AM »
What you have to recognise is that people can be doing things for the conspiracy without actually knowing there is a conspiracy or even realising what they are really doing.

So all the 488 people really thought they were in space eh?  or did they think they were making a movie and don't realise people think they went into space? 
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2008, 06:27:36 AM »
What you have to recognise is that people can be doing things for the conspiracy without actually knowing there is a conspiracy or even realising what they are really doing.

Exactly!  Plus, Atheists make up 1% of the country.  The Jews are another 2%.  That's not many, but out of 300,000,000 people, that's still like 9 MILLION people in the United States ALONE that can be trusted to work on the production of the fakes and the coverup!  Sure, they get Christians in there every now and then, but most of them are kept oblivious to the real work.

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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2008, 06:30:14 AM »
What you have to recognise is that people can be doing things for the conspiracy without actually knowing there is a conspiracy or even realising what they are really doing.

So all the 488 people really thought they were in space eh?  or did they think they were making a movie and don't realise people think they went into space? 

They all work for NASA, so clearly they're in on the conspiracy!  Most of them are probably Atheists who believe in Evolution and the Big Bang too.

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Re: conspiricy: ISS
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2008, 06:31:57 AM »
What you have to recognise is that people can be doing things for the conspiracy without actually knowing there is a conspiracy or even realising what they are really doing.

So all the 488 people really thought they were in space eh?  or did they think they were making a movie and don't realise people think they went into space? 

How should I know? I don't run the conspiracy. All I am saying is that you could work for NASA and still not be part of the conspiracy. How or whether they dupe 'astronauts' is not certain. If it were, we could destroy the conspiracy in a single blow. Sadly, for truth and freedom everywhere, that is not the case.


Hardhead, keep your racism and bigotry out of these boards. They are for discussion, not for hate tirades.
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2008, 06:42:37 AM »
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Hardhead, keep your racism and bigotry out of these boards. They are for discussion, not for hate tirades.

That was not a "hate tirdade."  You have to admit, since the Bible says the Earth is flat, they'd be the ones who would try and prove otherwise. 

The conspirators have to have something to gain from the conspiracy, right?  I mean, you can't just yell "CONSPIRACY!!11!!!1!" and expect to be taken seriously.  What do they have to gain from the conspiracy?  Obviously, they gain by supposedly discrediting the Bible!  And who would want to do that?  <waits for reader to think>  Exactly!
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2008, 06:53:09 AM »
What you have to recognise is that people can be doing things for the conspiracy without actually knowing there is a conspiracy or even realising what they are really doing.

Exactly!  Plus, Atheists make up 1% of the country.  The Jews are another 2%.  That's not many, but out of 300,000,000 people, that's still like 9 MILLION people in the United States ALONE that can be trusted to work on the production of the fakes and the coverup!  Sure, they get Christians in there every now and then, but most of them are kept oblivious to the real work.

Your FAQ states that FET has nothing to do with religion, or at least isn't alligned with one.

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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2008, 06:55:05 AM »
I didn't write the FAQ.

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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2008, 06:58:01 AM »
OK.  But you have to admit, since the Bible says the Earth is flat, they'd be the ones who would try and prove otherwise.  They have to have something to gain from the conspiracy, right?  I mean, you can't just yell "CONSPIRACY!!11!!!1!" and expect to be taken seriously.  What do they have to gain from the conspiracy?  Obviously, they gain by supposedly discrediting the Bible!

That makes no sense because most christians do not believe hte Bible says the world is flat.

Also, I think you will find the percentage atheists is 15%.

as to Neeman, what you are saying is you beleive that people are mind controlled by magic, if someone's job is to analyse data from spacecraft, it would take another person at least as much time to fake that data in a convincing enough manner to fool a scientist.  3 people couldn't fake all the data for every scientist at NASA to analyse
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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2008, 07:06:10 AM »

That makes no sense because most Christians do not believe hte Bible says the world is flat.

That's actually my point!  Even supposed Christians have stopped believing in parts of the Bible. 

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Also, I think you will find the percentage atheists is 15%.

You can find data supporting 1% to 15% online.  I believe the lower number is more accurate based on personal experience (and it would make sense for the Atheists to try and make themselves look more mainstream).

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as to Neeman, what you are saying is you beleive that people are mind controlled by magic, if someone's job is to analyse data from spacecraft, it would take another person at least as much time to fake that data in a convincing enough manner to fool a scientist.  3 people couldn't fake all the data for every scientist at NASA to analyse

The much simpler answer is that almost everyone at NASA is in on the conspiracy.

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Re: conspiricy: ISS
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2008, 07:11:12 AM »
as to Neeman, what you are saying is you beleive that people are mind controlled by magic, if someone's job is to analyse data from spacecraft, it would take another person at least as much time to fake that data in a convincing enough manner to fool a scientist.  3 people couldn't fake all the data for every scientist at NASA to analyse

Simulations produce fake data all the time. Once you have a simulator, I'm sure you could produce the data. And I would ignore Hardhead; he certainly doesn't speak for me, and I doubt he speaks for the majority of FE'ers, if any.
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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2008, 07:30:21 AM »
And I would ignore Hardhead; he certainly doesn't speak for me, and I doubt he speaks for the majority of FE'ers, if any.

Then what's the point of the conspiracy, if not to discredit the Bible?  A conspiracy that stretches all the way back to the (heathen) ancient Greeks?
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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2008, 07:33:33 AM »
Conspiracy or not, read my other thread about satellites.  The ISS (among other things) is visible from the surface of Earth using an amateur telescope.  I'm still waiting for a decent answer.

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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2008, 07:37:15 AM »
Conspiracy or not, read my other thread about satellites.  The ISS (among other things) is visible from the surface of Earth using an amateur telescope.  I'm still waiting for a decent answer.

Answered.

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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2008, 07:53:00 AM »
ok, so concluding that everyone at NASA is in on it, how are they all bribed to keep thier mouths shut?  do they just do it for thier regular salary?  

Now if you look at other people who would know, you have all the other space agency's there's are all pilots, all sailors, so that's all hte US Navy and Airforce, and every other navy and airforce, everyone who has ever flown on a plane in the southern hemisphere, every astronomer, every GPS designer and manufacturer, everyone who uses satellite communications, all antarctic explorers, all oceanographers, marine biologists, environmental scientists,


As to a simulator that could produce the data, well, how many people would be needed to create such a colossal computer, and to program it.  And how would it provide photos of mars?  Someone would have to create the models.  And how would they develop all the tech to make such a computer in secret?  How did they do it in the 60's?  did they have a super computer more powerfull than all of todays super computers in the 60's?  



I was going to get to the thing about the ISS being visible from the surface later, in fact you don't even need a telescope, I've seen it with just my eyes. 
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2008, 07:55:40 AM »
ok, so concluding that everyone at NASA is in on it, how are they all bribed to keep thier mouths shut?  do they just do it for thier regular salary?   

They do it because they're trying to discredit the Bible (and, therefore, are probably communists).

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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2008, 07:59:33 AM »
ok, so concluding that everyone at NASA is in on it, how are they all bribed to keep thier mouths shut?  do they just do it for thier regular salary?   

They do it because they're trying to discredit the Bible (and, therefore, are probably communists).
If it was true that the US is fooled by all these communists, and all the people who designed the weapons that defended the US throughout hte cold war are in on it, why didn't the USSR win? 

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Re: conspiricy: ISS
« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2008, 07:59:58 AM »
They do it because they're trying to discredit the Bible (and, therefore, are probably communists).

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Re: conspiricy: ISS
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2008, 08:02:14 AM »
As to a simulator that could produce the data, well, how many people would be needed to create such a colossal computer, and to program it.  And how would it provide photos of mars?  Someone would have to create the models.  And how would they develop all the tech to make such a computer in secret?  How did they do it in the 60's?  did they have a super computer more powerfull than all of todays super computers in the 60's?  

They wouldn't have to keep it a secret. That's the point. NASA does simulations all the time to see what will happen on their 'missions'. That's the point; simulations could be produced without the people involved having to be in on the conspiracy. They would imagine it was just another part of the 'Space Program'.
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« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2008, 08:20:39 AM »
If it was true that the US is fooled by all these communists, and all the people who designed the weapons that defended the US throughout hte cold war are in on it, why didn't the USSR win? 

The USSR didn't loose.  They just changed the name of the country and kept on with repressive rule.  All the while, America keeps getting closer and closer to such a state! 

And yes, all those people that designed the weapons were probably atheists.  Well, most of them at least.  There's a conspiracy to keep Christian scientists out of academic circles, which is why Creationism articles never get published to dispute Big Bang and Evolution theories in respectable journals.  That's pretty solid proof right there of the conspiracy.

Also, note that Neeman hasn't answered my questions on what HE thinks the conspiracy is gaining by covering up the Flat Earth.  It's because my answer makes sense, and he doesn't have one.