RE predict these:

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narcberry

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RE predict these:
« on: August 08, 2008, 10:20:15 PM »
I keep hearing about RE's predictive capabilities. I sure would like to see that. Please predict any one of these things.
1) If I let a drop of water fall into the Pacific Ocean exactly halfway between the centers of L.A. and Honolulu, where will it be in exactly 3 months?
2) If I boil water at four corners (where the US states Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona meet) when will the steam fall back to the earth as rain? Where will it fall?
3) When SagDEG collides with the Milky Way, will anything collide with the earth?
4) When will we encounter intelligent life?
5) Will there be a big crunch? If so, when?

Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2008, 10:26:24 PM »

5) No.  All current data shows that the expansion of the universe is speeding up.  The current model for the "demise" of the universe is the expansion of the universe to the point where distances between everything are so great that everything will become cold and dead once the suns burn out.  The universe will thus hang lifeless, hovering just above absolute zero due to changes in entropy.

Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2008, 10:29:07 PM »
For good measure...

1) Not enough information given

2) Not enough information given

3) No.

4) 4:37 on June 16th, 2156

Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2008, 10:30:28 PM »
4) 4:37 on June 16th, 2156

That's PM, EST.

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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2008, 10:31:18 PM »
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5) No.  All current data shows that the expansion of the universe is speeding up.

Ah, so what you're telling me is that the cosmos is speeding away from itself at an accelerated rate. As if there were some kind of "universal accelerator" causing this, right?

It does make one think.
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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2008, 10:34:42 PM »

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Parsifal

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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2008, 11:53:03 PM »
or a "cosmological constant" http://www.newscientistspace.com/article.ns?id=dn9114&print=true

I love it when they miss the point. It makes the rest of us look more credible.
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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2008, 12:43:58 AM »
hahaha, you guys can use all the "credibility" you can get.

Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2008, 01:06:23 AM »
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5) No.  All current data shows that the expansion of the universe is speeding up.

Ah, so what you're telling me is that the cosmos is speeding away from itself at an accelerated rate. As if there were some kind of "universal accelerator" causing this, right?

It does make one think.
well being that the acceleration is occuring in many different directions it can not be that universal
Only 2 things are infinite the universe and human stupidity, but I am not sure about the former.

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Parsifal

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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2008, 01:18:34 AM »
well being that the acceleration is occuring in many different directions it can not be that universal

You are an idiot. Stop posting to avoid further embarassment.
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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2008, 01:23:40 AM »
well being that the acceleration is occuring in many different directions it can not be that universal

You are an idiot. Stop posting to avoid further embarassment.

Oops!  It's the Flat-Earth Nazi, back to censor us some more!

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Parsifal

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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2008, 01:30:44 AM »
well being that the acceleration is occuring in many different directions it can not be that universal

You are an idiot. Stop posting to avoid further embarassment.

Oops!  It's the Flat-Earth Nazi, back to censor us some more!

Not censoring. Just giving advice.
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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2008, 01:32:10 AM »
Albeit unwarranted advice that makes you sound like even more of a jackass, way to go.

Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2008, 01:42:50 AM »
well being that the acceleration is occuring in many different directions it can not be that universal

You are an idiot. Stop posting to avoid further embarassment.
so accelerations in different directions are the same now?
Only 2 things are infinite the universe and human stupidity, but I am not sure about the former.

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Parsifal

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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2008, 01:48:28 AM »
so accelerations in different directions are the same now?

If your position in the Universe does not impact on the observed effect of the acceleration, it is still universal.
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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2008, 01:49:58 AM »
but one's position in the universe DOES impact the observed effect.  in that things are accelerating away from each other.  At different speeds.

Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2008, 01:51:09 AM »
Only 2 things are infinite the universe and human stupidity, but I am not sure about the former.

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Parsifal

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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2008, 01:53:05 AM »
Tell me this, then: in what direction is the Earth accelerating, from its own inertial reference frame?
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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2008, 01:54:39 AM »
left.

Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2008, 01:55:30 AM »
Tell me this, then: in what direction is the Earth accelerating, from its own inertial reference frame?
so that is one acceleration, now show me all of the other accelerations in the universe are along the same vector with the same magnitude
Only 2 things are infinite the universe and human stupidity, but I am not sure about the former.

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Parsifal

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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2008, 02:18:11 AM »
Tell me this, then: in what direction is the Earth accelerating, from its own inertial reference frame?
so that is one acceleration, now show me all of the other accelerations in the universe are along the same vector with the same magnitude

That is exactly my point. The acceleration does not operate in the same linear direction, but always radially the same. Everything else in the Universe is always accelerating away from you, no matter where you are. Ergo, it is universal.
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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2008, 02:23:54 AM »
Tell me this, then: in what direction is the Earth accelerating, from its own inertial reference frame?
so that is one acceleration, now show me all of the other accelerations in the universe are along the same vector with the same magnitude

That is exactly my point. The acceleration does not operate in the same linear direction, but always radially the same. Everything else in the Universe is always accelerating away from you, no matter where you are. Ergo, it is universal.
all along the same vectors and the same rates
Only 2 things are infinite the universe and human stupidity, but I am not sure about the former.

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Parsifal

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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2008, 02:26:50 AM »
all along the same vectors and the same rates

I don't understand what you mean by this. No matter where you are in the Universe, the Universe around you will look the same. What is so difficult to understand about why this makes the acceleration of the RET universe universal? And even if it weren't universal, you still can't explain where it comes from. Stop avoiding the point based on a false technicality that stems from your own lack of understanding.
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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2008, 02:29:09 AM »
all along the same vectors and the same rates

I don't understand what you mean by this. No matter where you are in the Universe, the Universe around you will look the same. What is so difficult to understand about why this makes the acceleration of the RET universe universal? And even if it weren't universal, you still can't explain where it comes from. Stop avoiding the point based on a false technicality that stems from your own lack of understanding.
accelerations along different vectors are not the same, so they cannot be universal.
Only 2 things are infinite the universe and human stupidity, but I am not sure about the former.

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Parsifal

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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2008, 02:38:40 AM »
accelerations along different vectors are not the same, so they cannot be universal.

So the Universe expands differently in the Andromeda galaxy to the way it does here?
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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2008, 02:39:20 AM »
accelerations along different vectors are not the same, so they cannot be universal.

So the Universe expands differently in the Andromeda galaxy to the way it does here?
is it moveng along a different vector?
Only 2 things are infinite the universe and human stupidity, but I am not sure about the former.

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Parsifal

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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2008, 02:45:06 AM »
is it moveng along a different vector?

You are trying to apply Newtonian motion to a relativistic concept.
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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2008, 02:46:35 AM »
is it moveng along a different vector?

You are trying to apply Newtonian motion to a relativistic concept.
so relativity no longer uses vectors
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Parsifal

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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2008, 03:27:23 AM »
so relativity no longer uses vectors

Acceleration is relative.
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Re: RE predict these:
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2008, 05:53:42 AM »
I keep hearing about RE's predictive capabilities. I sure would like to see that. Please predict any one of these things.
1) If I let a drop of water fall into the Pacific Ocean exactly halfway between the centers of L.A. and Honolulu, where will it be in exactly 3 months?
2) If I boil water at four corners (where the US states Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona meet) when will the steam fall back to the earth as rain? Where will it fall?
3) When SagDEG collides with the Milky Way, will anything collide with the earth?
4) When will we encounter intelligent life?
5) Will there be a big crunch? If so, when?

You might have a credible point if FET could predict any of these.

As it happens, RET is better at predicting 1) and 2) than FET because we have a working model of atmosperic and oceanic currents.

Also:

3) Almost certainly not, RET can give a probability that it will happen, FET cannot.
5) No, Dark Energy is accelerating the expansion of the universe.