Electromagnetic Accelerator

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #180 on: August 12, 2008, 01:05:53 PM »
So you accept the round earth theory? Do you think the earth is round, or flat?

I don't think my personal opinion is relevant to this debate, do you?

Yes it does, because, then everyone in this topic can learn if you are serious or not. It is after all your topic (you started it), and it is about a new hypothesis, explaining day/night, and the horizon. If you believe in the flat earth, we know that you are serious, if you do not believe in the flat earth, we know that you are either joking, or are trying to learn more about the flat earth hypothesis. It's not extremely important, but it can contribute to raising the quality of this topic.

EDIT: I would also like to add that no matter what you believe, you are still a retard, because you think that the fact that something cannot be disproved, matters to the probability of it being true.
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #181 on: August 12, 2008, 01:07:51 PM »
Yes it does, because, then everyone in this topic can learn if you are serious or not. It is after all your topic (you started it), and it is about a new hypothesis, explaining day/night, and the horizon. If you believe in the flat earth, we know that you are serious, if you do not believe in the flat earth, we know that you are either joking, or are trying to learn more about the flat earth hypothesis. It's not extremely important, but it can contribute to raising the quality of this topic.

I don't see that it matters at all, I'm afraid.
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #182 on: August 12, 2008, 01:12:59 PM »
Like I just added to my post: Let's just say it doesn't matter. You are still a retard, because you think that the fact that it is impossible to disprove the flat earth hypothesis by your standard, is important, or possible justifies the acceptance of the FE-hypothesis. Such a thin argument as the classic "Argument from ignorance" which you use, has no weight at all in our discussion.

So there you have it, what you believe isn't important, because you still are a retard, because of your opinion about the argument from ignorance. (EDIT: this also means that, by your standards, you have to accept everything that cannot be disproved. That includes God, Allah, Buddha, Satan, Thor, Zeus, Hercules, Aliens in the center of Jupiter, A can of tea in orbit around Uranus, The Flying Sphagetti Monster, Afrodite, and so on.)

EDIT: Why are you so afraid to tell me (us) if you believe in the flat earth hypothesis, or accept the round earth theory? I have no reason for you to give me the answer, except for that I am curious.
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #183 on: August 12, 2008, 01:19:48 PM »


The point is that there is no place in the universe where there is a complete, or perfect vacuum. There will always be photons there (passing through), and the dark energy which in quantum mechanics is what's making so-called virtual particles to be created, and immediately destroyed. It doesn't say that dark energy isn't where there is visible matter.

Also that would be stupid, because if there were a perfect vacuum "under" the earth, the dark energy would only be able to affect a layer of 1 atom around the earth. This layer would be nowhere near strong enough to maintain a acceleration of 9.8 m/s. This layer would be immediately pushed into the earth, and then dark energy would stop affecting it, and "attack" another layer. This will not sum up to an acceleration of the earth, but rather a sort of slow mixing of maybe the bottom two inches or so of matter, which would cause it to heat up and eventually vaporize. This would eventually "eat" up the whole earth.

That is why it is impossible in your FE-model that dark energy can only exist in vacuum.

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #184 on: August 12, 2008, 01:24:31 PM »
Like I just added to my post: Let's just say it doesn't matter. You are still a retard, because you think that the fact that it is impossible to disprove the flat earth hypothesis by your standard, is important, or possible justifies the acceptance of the FE-hypothesis. Such a thin argument as the classic "Argument from ignorance" which you use, has no weight at all in our discussion.

So there you have it, what you believe isn't important, because you still are a retard, because of your opinion about the argument from ignorance.

EDIT: Why are you so afraid to tell me (us) if you believe in the flat earth hypothesis, or accept the round earth theory? I have no reason for you to give me the answer, except for that I am curious.

If you are going to start calling me names, I shall have no further truck with you. Good day.
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #185 on: August 12, 2008, 01:25:57 PM »
Haha, I won! You failed to answer any of my questions, and when I cornered you, you decide to ignore me because I react on the fact that you put all your relies of the flat earth hypothesis, on an argument from ignorance.

EDIT: Thank you sokarul. :)
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #186 on: August 12, 2008, 01:29:22 PM »
Like I just added to my post: Let's just say it doesn't matter. You are still a retard, because you think that the fact that it is impossible to disprove the flat earth hypothesis by your standard, is important, or possible justifies the acceptance of the FE-hypothesis. Such a thin argument as the classic "Argument from ignorance" which you use, has no weight at all in our discussion.

I would say that the inability to prove something is true is pretty serious issue.

I mean, if you can't prove something is true, why believe it? And if you can't prove something is false, why not believe it?


No-one here is arguing that just because you can't prove the earth isn't flat, that it must be. But the fact remains that you cannot prove it isn't flat. Our belief is not based on FET being impossible to disprove, but on observable phenomona. For this reason, your argument is without weight.



And Steve's beliefs are completely irrelevant. He does not wish to tell you, so leave it be. Why are you so curious? If you have no reason for asking, then accept that he is not inclined to tell you and drop it.

Haha, I won!

You regard 'winning' as being so rude as to discourage further discussion? That's a positiely illuminated mode of thought.
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #187 on: August 12, 2008, 01:47:24 PM »
Like I just added to my post: Let's just say it doesn't matter. You are still a retard, because you think that the fact that it is impossible to disprove the flat earth hypothesis by your standard, is important, or possible justifies the acceptance of the FE-hypothesis. Such a thin argument as the classic "Argument from ignorance" which you use, has no weight at all in our discussion.

I would say that the inability to prove something is true is pretty serious issue.

I mean, if you can't prove something is true, why believe it? And if you can't prove something is false, why not believe it?


No-one here is arguing that just because you can't prove the earth isn't flat, that it must be. But the fact remains that you cannot prove it isn't flat. Our belief is not based on FET being impossible to disprove, but on observable phenomona. For this reason, your argument is without weight.



And Steve's beliefs are completely irrelevant. He does not wish to tell you, so leave it be. Why are you so curious? If you have no reason for asking, then accept that he is not inclined to tell you and drop it.

Haha, I won!

You regard 'winning' as being so rude as to discourage further discussion? That's a positiely illuminated mode of thought.

He is the one who didn't answered my questions, and not only about his personal belief.

Also, no. My argument is not without weight. The FE-hypothesis can be disproved, and it has been. Casting of shadows, lunar eclipses, space travel, stable orbits, photographs, horizon, day/night, the fact that the stars are different on the southern hemisphere than on the northern hemisphere, lower gravitational pull at the equator (the last one also indicates a spinning earth) are all evidence, backing up the RET, but you blindly dismiss them by calling them fake, or optical illusions etc., without going any deeper, explaining, with proof, why they are fake, impossible, or illusions. That is why I say it's impossible to disprove FE-hypothesis (from now on: FEH) by your standards. No matter what we throw at you, you dismiss it, without any hard evidence, or backed up explanations.

We could actually drop all this about "something cannot be disproved, then it's true", because no matter what you say, science is NOT, i repeat, NOT about disproving, but it is about proving. Why don't you actually stop making bold claims about the vast amounts of evidence which only can lead to the conclusion of a round earth, and try to find some hard evidence supporting all the different hypothesizes that you have?

We cannot know ANYTHING for sure with absolutely 100% certainty. But we can get close, like we are with evolution, and the shape of the earth. Both of those are theories backed up by massive amounts of evidence, and that has stood up against countless attempts of falsification. But they still can be wrong, but the probability of them being wrong are extremely low, which we cannot say about FEH. That is why we should accept the round earth, over the flat earth, because the round earth is far, far more probable, than the FEH. That is also why my argument isn't without weight.


Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #188 on: August 12, 2008, 01:47:42 PM »
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Our belief is not based on FET being impossible to disprove, but on observable phenomona.

Wait, what observable phenomona? This whole EA thing means that people should observe the planet gently curving away, meaning that a RE would be observed, and there would then be no direct observation of a FE. If the planet is not observed to be curving away, then there can't be a EA, which leaves us with the original problem it was designed to solve.

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #189 on: August 12, 2008, 01:49:26 PM »
EDIT: I would also like to add that no matter what you believe, you are still a retard, because you think that the fact that something cannot be disproved, matters to the probability of it being true.

It does though.  If something can be proven it has a probability of 100%.  If it can't be proven it must have some probability less than that.
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #190 on: August 12, 2008, 01:54:56 PM »
EDIT: I would also like to add that no matter what you believe, you are still a retard, because you think that the fact that something cannot be disproved, matters to the probability of it being true.

It does though.  If something can be proven it has a probability of 100%.  If it can't be proven it must have some probability less than that.

If you are talking about mathematical proof, then yes. If you are talking about physical proof, or evidence, then no. There will ALWAYS be some uncertainty in the physical world.

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #191 on: August 12, 2008, 01:55:43 PM »
There will ALWAYS be some uncertainty in the physical world.

Exactly.  Why are you arguing?
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #192 on: August 12, 2008, 01:56:59 PM »
Well, nothing about DE and DM have proof. but:

"There are two main ideas for the source of dark energy. It might percolate from empty space, as Einstein theorized, and is unchanging and of a fixed strength." - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4327735/

"In contrast, dark energy-also called vacuum energy-is a property of empty space. When empty space expands, it just replaces itself with more empty space; it does not dilute. So dark energy is a form of energy that does not dilute as the universe expands." - http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-02/su-ste021505.php

"Recent measurements with telescopes and space probes have shown that a mysterious force—a dark energy—fills the vacuum of empty space, accelerating the universe's expansion." - http://www.uslhc.us/LHC_Science/Questions_for_the_Universe/Dark_Energy

The rest (my statement) is deduction. Whether or not Dark Energy is exactly as I research and state will be up to any and all information that becomes discovered in the future.

The point is that there is no place in the universe where there is a complete, or perfect vacuum. There will always be photons there (passing through), and the dark energy which in quantum mechanics is what's making so-called virtual particles to be created, and immediately destroyed. It doesn't say that dark energy isn't where there is visible matter.

Also that would be stupid, because if there were a perfect vacuum "under" the earth, the dark energy would only be able to affect a layer of 1 atom around the earth. This layer would be nowhere near strong enough to maintain a acceleration of 9.8 m/s. This layer would be immediately pushed into the earth, and then dark energy would stop affecting it, and "attack" another layer. This will not sum up to an acceleration of the earth, but rather a sort of slow mixing of maybe the bottom two inches or so of matter, which would cause it to heat up and eventually vaporize. This would eventually "eat" up the whole earth.

That is why it is impossible in your FE-model that dark energy can only exist in vacuum.

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #193 on: August 12, 2008, 01:57:38 PM »
There will ALWAYS be some uncertainty in the physical world.

Exactly.  Why are you arguing?
Because nothing in the physical world can be proven with 100%. You seem to believe that if anything can be proven, it has a probability of 100%, which is wrong, which is what you said in this post:
EDIT: I would also like to add that no matter what you believe, you are still a retard, because you think that the fact that something cannot be disproved, matters to the probability of it being true.

It does though.  If something can be proven it has a probability of 100%.  If it can't be proven it must have some probability less than that.
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #194 on: August 12, 2008, 01:59:05 PM »
There will ALWAYS be some uncertainty in the physical world.

Exactly.  Why are you arguing?

That nothing in the physical world can be proven with 100%.

Yeah, that is another way of saying it...  ???
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #195 on: August 12, 2008, 01:59:11 PM »
Well, nothing about DE and DM have proof. but:

"There are two main ideas for the source of dark energy. It might percolate from empty space, as Einstein theorized, and is unchanging and of a fixed strength." - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4327735/

"In contrast, dark energy-also called vacuum energy-is a property of empty space. When empty space expands, it just replaces itself with more empty space; it does not dilute. So dark energy is a form of energy that does not dilute as the universe expands." - http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-02/su-ste021505.php

"Recent measurements with telescopes and space probes have shown that a mysterious force—a dark energy—fills the vacuum of empty space, accelerating the universe's expansion." - http://www.uslhc.us/LHC_Science/Questions_for_the_Universe/Dark_Energy

The rest (my statement) is deduction. Whether or not Dark Energy is exactly as I research and state will be up to any and all information that becomes discovered in the future.

The point is that there is no place in the universe where there is a complete, or perfect vacuum. There will always be photons there (passing through), and the dark energy which in quantum mechanics is what's making so-called virtual particles to be created, and immediately destroyed. It doesn't say that dark energy isn't where there is visible matter.

Also that would be stupid, because if there were a perfect vacuum "under" the earth, the dark energy would only be able to affect a layer of 1 atom around the earth. This layer would be nowhere near strong enough to maintain a acceleration of 9.8 m/s. This layer would be immediately pushed into the earth, and then dark energy would stop affecting it, and "attack" another layer. This will not sum up to an acceleration of the earth, but rather a sort of slow mixing of maybe the bottom two inches or so of matter, which would cause it to heat up and eventually vaporize. This would eventually "eat" up the whole earth.

That is why it is impossible in your FE-model that dark energy can only exist in vacuum.

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #196 on: August 12, 2008, 01:59:53 PM »
He is the one who didn't answered my questions, and not only about his personal belief.

Also, no. My argument is not without weight. The FE-hypothesis can be disproved, and it has been. Casting of shadows, lunar eclipses, space travel, stable orbits, photographs, horizon, day/night, the fact that the stars are different on the southern hemisphere than on the northern hemisphere, lower gravitational pull at the equator (the last one also indicates a spinning earth) are all evidence, backing up the RET, but you blindly dismiss them by calling them fake, or optical illusions etc., without going any deeper, explaining, with proof, why they are fake, impossible, or illusions. That is why I say it's impossible to disprove FE-hypothesis (from now on: FEH) by your standards. No matter what we throw at you, you dismiss it, without any hard evidence, or backed up explanations.

We could actually drop all this about "something cannot be disproved, then it's true", because no matter what you say, science is NOT, i repeat, NOT about disproving, but it is about proving. Why don't you actually stop making bold claims about the vast amounts of evidence which only can lead to the conclusion of a round earth, and try to find some hard evidence supporting all the different hypothesizes that you have?

We cannot know ANYTHING for sure with absolutely 100% certainty. But we can get close, like we are with evolution, and the shape of the earth. Both of those are theories backed up by massive amounts of evidence, and that has stood up against countless attempts of falsification. But they still can be wrong, but the probability of them being wrong are extremely low, which we cannot say about FEH. That is why we should accept the round earth, over the flat earth, because the round earth is far, far more probable, than the FEH. That is also why my argument isn't without weight.

I see. Why don't you call us retards some more? I don't argue with people who go in for name-calling. Grow up.
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #197 on: August 12, 2008, 02:00:15 PM »
There will ALWAYS be some uncertainty in the physical world.

Exactly.  Why are you arguing?

That nothing in the physical world can be proven with 100%.

Yeah, that is another way of saying it...  ???

Read my modified post, I was a little too quick to press "Post".

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #198 on: August 12, 2008, 02:05:13 PM »
If something has a predicted probability of 67.569275% (for instance) then that prediction can be tested by statistics - do enough trials and as the number of trials tends to infinity you will see what the true probability is... this is how quantum mechanics is tested, since it only ever generates probabilities!
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #199 on: August 12, 2008, 02:05:25 PM »
He is the one who didn't answered my questions, and not only about his personal belief.

Also, no. My argument is not without weight. The FE-hypothesis can be disproved, and it has been. Casting of shadows, lunar eclipses, space travel, stable orbits, photographs, horizon, day/night, the fact that the stars are different on the southern hemisphere than on the northern hemisphere, lower gravitational pull at the equator (the last one also indicates a spinning earth) are all evidence, backing up the RET, but you blindly dismiss them by calling them fake, or optical illusions etc., without going any deeper, explaining, with proof, why they are fake, impossible, or illusions. That is why I say it's impossible to disprove FE-hypothesis (from now on: FEH) by your standards. No matter what we throw at you, you dismiss it, without any hard evidence, or backed up explanations.

We could actually drop all this about "something cannot be disproved, then it's true", because no matter what you say, science is NOT, i repeat, NOT about disproving, but it is about proving. Why don't you actually stop making bold claims about the vast amounts of evidence which only can lead to the conclusion of a round earth, and try to find some hard evidence supporting all the different hypothesizes that you have?

We cannot know ANYTHING for sure with absolutely 100% certainty. But we can get close, like we are with evolution, and the shape of the earth. Both of those are theories backed up by massive amounts of evidence, and that has stood up against countless attempts of falsification. But they still can be wrong, but the probability of them being wrong are extremely low, which we cannot say about FEH. That is why we should accept the round earth, over the flat earth, because the round earth is far, far more probable, than the FEH. That is also why my argument isn't without weight.

I see. Why don't you call us retards some more? I don't argue with people who go in for name-calling. Grow up.

Just because i might (I'm not calling you a retard now) think of you as a retard, I don't have to call you a retard. I can still have a discussion with you. Just because I happened to say that I meant about Robosteve, doesn't mean that I am going to call anyone who believe in the FEH retards.

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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #200 on: August 12, 2008, 02:43:11 PM »
However, if you are the sort to resort to childish namecalling, you are beyond help, and it is not worth our time to argue with you. Robosteve, do you think you could get someone with access to TB could post your theory there, and lock this well and truly trolled thread?
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Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator
« Reply #201 on: August 12, 2008, 02:50:17 PM »
I'm locking this thread temporarily until I make further progress with my calculations regarding the EA. If anyone can help with solving the relationship I've found between one of the parametric functions and its derivative function that I posted a couple of pages back, it would be much appreciated if you could PM me about it. Thanks.
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