If Earth is constantly moving up....

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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #60 on: August 08, 2008, 03:02:57 AM »
But also if we travel just with the speed of light - all masses would increase to infinity.

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E/(c^2) = m

Sorry, doesn't work. The universe has set a limiter on the speed we can travel so we can never reach the speed of light. Even if that rule doesn't apply since you claim gravity doesn't exist, we'd see light literally stop and once we reach that top speed, we'd have the same problem of being able to jump off of earth.

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Here's a scenario for you, you and your friend are in spaceships and your friend accelerates away from you. Eventually from your point of view your friend is travelling at 299,792,448m/s. At this point, your friend decides (from his point of view) to accelerate 9.8m/s2 for one second.

If your friend is travelling at 299,792,448m/s from your point of view and in his point of view he accelerates 9.8m/s2 for one second, how much acceleration are you going to observe?

HINT: Remember to take in accounts frames of reference and... time dilation.

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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #61 on: August 08, 2008, 03:39:20 AM »
Remember that any observer on Earth is only travelling 9.8m/s^2 slower than the space ship. NO relativistic effects would be observed, unless you were on another planet.

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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #62 on: August 08, 2008, 04:24:41 AM »
Remember that any observer on Earth is only travelling 9.8m/s^2 slower than the space ship. NO relativistic effects would be observed, unless you were on another planet.

Hence why asking what speed the earth is travelling is useless unless you have a beginning reference.

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« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2008, 04:46:19 AM »
Mass causes gravity. A huge amount of mass causes black holes. Inside of black holes, the gravity would propably destroy everything.

The mass experienced by the earth would be frame dependent. The earth isn't actually increasing its mass in the earth's Frame of Reference, it would only seem so if someone were able to measure the mass between two different frames of references.

The concept is similar to time dilation. If a space ship travels at relativistic speeds time would appear to slow down if one was able to measure time between two different FORs outside the ship and inside the ship. However, to the occupants of the space ship time would not go in slow motion. Time proceeds as normal. Time would only seem to slow if someone were hypothetically able to compare two different frames at once.

From the Wikipedia article on Special Relativity:

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Relativistic mass

Introductory physics courses and some older textbooks on special relativity sometimes define a relativistic mass which increases as the velocity of a body increases. According to the geometric interpretation of special relativity, this is often deprecated and the term 'mass' is reserved to mean invariant mass and is thus independent of the inertial frame, i.e., invariant.

Using the relativistic mass definition, the mass of an object may vary depending on the observer's inertial frame in the same way that other properties such as its length may do so. Defining such a quantity may sometimes be useful in that doing so simplifies a calculation by restricting it to a specific frame. For example, consider a body with an invariant mass m moving at some velocity relative to an observer's reference system. That observer defines the relativistic mass of that body as:



"Relativistic mass" should not be confused with the "longitudinal" and "transverse mass" definitions that were used around 1900 and that were based on an inconsistent application of the laws of Newton: those used f=ma for a variable mass, while relativistic mass corresponds to Newton's dynamic mass in which



and



Note also that the body does not actually become more massive in its proper frame, since the relativistic mass is only different for an observer in a different frame. The only mass that is frame independent is the invariant mass. When using the relativistic mass, the applicable reference frame should be specified if it isn't already obvious or implied. It also goes almost without saying that the increase in relativistic mass does not come from an increased number of atoms in the object. Instead, the relativistic mass of each atom and subatomic particle has increased.

Physics textbooks sometimes use the relativistic mass as it allows the students to utilize their knowledge of Newtonian physics to gain some intuitive grasp of relativity in their frame of choice (usually their own!). "Relativistic mass" is also consistent with the concepts "time dilation" and "length contraction".

Read the bolded part.

Physical laws such as time dilation, relativistic mass, and length contraction are all frame dependent.


You lengthy quote from Wiki sheds no new light on this lead balloon. I'm curious though, you mention time dilation, relativistic mass and length contraction are all frame dependent. Are you claiming that in your FE world view we are subject to these things as we fly upward through space?

I look forward to the next dose of fractured logic for this carnival of absurdity. ;)

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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #64 on: August 08, 2008, 04:51:01 AM »
But also if we travel just with the speed of light - all masses would increase to infinity.

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E/(c^2) = m

Sorry, doesn't work. The universe has set a limiter on the speed we can travel so we can never reach the speed of light. Even if that rule doesn't apply since you claim gravity doesn't exist, we'd see light literally stop and once we reach that top speed, we'd have the same problem of being able to jump off of earth.

You can't take a brilliant mans works and remove parts thinking you can make it work for your silly ideas.  ::)

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Here's a scenario for you, you and your friend are in spaceships and your friend accelerates away from you. Eventually from your point of view your friend is travelling at 299,792,448m/s. At this point, your friend decides (from his point of view) to accelerate 9.8m/s2 for one second.

If your friend is travelling at 299,792,448m/s from your point of view and in his point of view he accelerates 9.8m/s2 for one second, how much acceleration are you going to observe?

HINT: Remember to take in accounts frames of reference and... time dilation.

I'm well aware of though experiments like this. Unfortunately it does nothing to support your backward science.

A bit of advise. When you try to pull a poe, make sure you pick something more philosophical and not as ground in hard science. It would be a lot easier to fool the more intelligent audience .

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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #65 on: August 08, 2008, 05:06:45 AM »
I'm well aware of though experiments like this. Unfortunately it does nothing to support your backward science.

A bit of advise. When you try to pull a poe, make sure you pick something more philosophical and not as ground in hard science. It would be a lot easier to fool the more intelligent audience .

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Nice - all you managed to do is state that it doesn't support FET without explaining why.

Here's the answer:

Your friend will think he's accelerating 9.8m/s2, you'll think he's accelerating 2.5mm/s2. What's 299,792,448m/s + 2.5mm/s? Does 299,792,448m/s +2.5mm/s (or 0.0025m/s) reach the speed of light?

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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #66 on: August 08, 2008, 05:13:06 AM »
Mass causes gravity. A huge amount of mass causes black holes. Inside of black holes, the gravity would propably destroy everything.

Just mass?

The only way you may feel an effect like gravity is if we were constantly accelerating. Since Narcberry already has stated the the rules concerning the speed of light do work and prevent us from reaching it, we would eventually have to level off at a top speed.

Well first, we are constantly accelerating. Second, you would never level off at a top speed.
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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #67 on: August 08, 2008, 06:25:50 AM »
I'm well aware of though experiments like this. Unfortunately it does nothing to support your backward science.

A bit of advise. When you try to pull a poe, make sure you pick something more philosophical and not as ground in hard science. It would be a lot easier to fool the more intelligent audience .

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Nice - all you managed to do is state that it doesn't support FET without explaining why.

Here's the answer:

Your friend will think he's accelerating 9.8m/s2, you'll think he's accelerating 2.5mm/s2. What's 299,792,448m/s + 2.5mm/s? Does 299,792,448m/s +2.5mm/s (or 0.0025m/s) reach the speed of light?


I shouldn't have to explain that an observers point of reference has nothing to do with how the action effects him in reference to the universe. Thats why we know these things. What looks one way to you has nothing to do with what is actually going on within the universe. Just because we're not aware of it does change the facts of what going on.

Your FE farce must be based on what is going on in the universe, not how it looks to someone. Also, remember, you can't remove Gravity from all of this and expect the results of your actions to be the same as Einstein demonstrated.

Good luck working this one out!

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You really don't understand what your talking about do you? I guess this just goes to show how dangerous only a little bit of knowledge on a subject is.

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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #68 on: August 08, 2008, 06:29:28 AM »
I shouldn't have to explain that an observers point of reference has nothing to do with how the action effects him in reference to the universe. Thats why we know these things. What looks one way to you has nothing to do with what is actually going on within the universe. Just because we're not aware of it does change the facts of what going on.

Your FE farce must be based on what is going on in the universe, not how it looks to someone. Also, remember, you can't remove Gravity from all of this and expect the results of your actions to be the same as Einstein demonstrated.

Good luck working this one out!

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You really don't understand what your talking about do you? I guess this just goes to show how dangerous only a little bit of knowledge on a subject is.

Thanks for the laugh.
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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #69 on: August 08, 2008, 06:34:34 AM »
A laugh and he ignored my post.
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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #70 on: August 08, 2008, 06:50:25 AM »
I shouldn't have to explain that an observers point of reference has nothing to do with how the action effects him in reference to the universe. Thats why we know these things. What looks one way to you has nothing to do with what is actually going on within the universe. Just because we're not aware of it does change the facts of what going on.

Exactly, just because we're not aware that our acceleration is slowing down does not mean that it isn't.

In the example provided our personal observation is that we're accelerating at 9.8m/s2, from a "universal" point of view the closer we get to the speed of light the slower our rate of acceleration will be.

Your FE farce must be based on what is going on in the universe, not how it looks to someone. Also, remember, you can't remove Gravity from all of this and expect the results of your actions to be the same as Einstein demonstrated.

Good luck working this one out!

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You can't work out the affect of speed on time dilation without gravity? Really? You're very special you know that.

More importantly, I'm demonstrating to you why if we undergo "constant" acceleration at 9.8m/s2 it won't actually be constant and we won't reach the speed of light.

You really don't understand what your talking about do you? I guess this just goes to show how dangerous only a little bit of knowledge on a subject is.

That's priceless - go read a book or two and come back when you get a clue. You're just like many other REers that come on here that know fuck all about physics and provide the rest of us with a laugh.

Here, have an award for helping us further the Flat Earth cause by representing RET phsyics so poorly...

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« Reply #71 on: August 08, 2008, 07:27:37 AM »
I shouldn't have to explain that an observers point of reference has nothing to do with how the action effects him in reference to the universe. Thats why we know these things. What looks one way to you has nothing to do with what is actually going on within the universe. Just because we're not aware of it does change the facts of what going on.

Exactly, just because we're not aware that our acceleration is slowing down does not mean that it isn't.

In the example provided our personal observation is that we're accelerating at 9.8m/s2, from a "universal" point of view the closer we get to the speed of light the slower our rate of acceleration will be.

Your FE farce must be based on what is going on in the universe, not how it looks to someone. Also, remember, you can't remove Gravity from all of this and expect the results of your actions to be the same as Einstein demonstrated.

Good luck working this one out!

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You can't work out the affect of speed on time dilation without gravity? Really? You're very special you know that.

More importantly, I'm demonstrating to you why if we undergo "constant" acceleration at 9.8m/s2 it won't actually be constant and we won't reach the speed of light.

You really don't understand what your talking about do you? I guess this just goes to show how dangerous only a little bit of knowledge on a subject is.

That's priceless - go read a book or two and come back when you get a clue. You're just like many other REers that come on here that know fuck all about physics and provide the rest of us with a laugh.

Here, have an award for helping us further the Flat Earth cause by representing RET phsyics so poorly...


So hostile. Hmm, I guess I hit a sore spot there. You know often responses like that are a sign of knowing how weak you argument is.

I wonder how upset you might get if I start to point out how absurd the conspiracy theory on this puppy is. Thats for another day though.

I 'm not sure where you got your science education but it must be the same place as the fundamentalists. If you really believe you can remove the portions of physics and everything but what you want to change will stay the same, then my friend you don't understand the subject at all.

You can shout and kick all you want but I'm not going to buy into this poor mans excuse for a poe. I myself enjoy performance art but its got to be believable enough to suspend disbelief.

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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #72 on: August 08, 2008, 07:35:49 AM »
So hostile. Hmm, I guess I hit a sore spot there. You know often responses like that are a sign of knowing how weak you argument is.

I wonder how upset you might get if I start to point out how absurd the conspiracy theory on this puppy is. Thats for another day though.

I 'm not sure where you got your science education but it must be the same place as the fundamentalists. If you really believe you can remove the portions of physics and everything but what you want to change will stay the same, then my friend you don't understand the subject at all.

You can shout and kick all you want but I'm not going to buy into this poor mans excuse for a poe. I myself enjoy performance art but its got to be believable enough to suspend disbelief.

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You don't seem to be taking into account the fact that you are a moron.
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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #73 on: August 08, 2008, 07:54:48 AM »
And he still ignored my post. Looks like this guy is one of those top notch ignorant types.
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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #74 on: August 08, 2008, 08:22:25 AM »
If you found me hostile I'm sorry I just don't have much patience with idiots who pretend they understand what they actually don't.

Yet again, you've done nothing to support your claim or counter mine. The closest thing being, "If you really believe you can remove the portions of physics and everything but what you want to change will stay the same, then my friend you don't understand the subject at all."

If you for some reason think that my use of the time dilation formula is incorrect then please go ahead and explain to me how so - the ambiguous, pompous response might be a bit of laugh.
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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #75 on: August 08, 2008, 08:23:26 AM »
And he still ignored my post. Looks like this guy is one of those top notch ignorant types.
Ironic
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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #76 on: August 08, 2008, 09:46:07 AM »
I shouldn't have to explain that an observers point of reference has nothing to do with how the action effects him in reference to the universe. Thats why we know these things. What looks one way to you has nothing to do with what is actually going on within the universe. Just because we're not aware of it does change the facts of what going on.

Your FE farce must be based on what is going on in the universe, not how it looks to someone. Also, remember, you can't remove Gravity from all of this and expect the results of your actions to be the same as Einstein demonstrated.

You are speculating on hypothetical scenarios, unless you can go into space yourself and observe the Earth, it doesn't matter what happens in the rest of the universe.

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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #77 on: August 08, 2008, 11:19:27 AM »
And he still ignored my post. Looks like this guy is one of those top notch ignorant types.
Ironic

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« Reply #78 on: August 08, 2008, 11:28:38 AM »
I shouldn't have to explain that an observers point of reference has nothing to do with how the action effects him in reference to the universe. Thats why we know these things. What looks one way to you has nothing to do with what is actually going on within the universe. Just because we're not aware of it does change the facts of what going on.

Your FE farce must be based on what is going on in the universe, not how it looks to someone. Also, remember, you can't remove Gravity from all of this and expect the results of your actions to be the same as Einstein demonstrated.

You are speculating on hypothetical scenarios, unless you can go into space yourself and observe the Earth, it doesn't matter what happens in the rest of the universe.

I think we're saying the same thing. My point was that it doesn't matter how this outside observer see things, all that matters is how we understand things are from a more universal point of view. We may not be able to observe it directly but based on our understanding of the works of the universe we can reveal a view closer to what is correct on paper.

what is observed from our point of reference or from the point of reference a person outside of us has nothing no bearing on what is actually going.

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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #79 on: August 08, 2008, 11:47:27 AM »
Actually I disagree. The "Universal reference" does not exist, there are only relative frames of reference.

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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #80 on: August 08, 2008, 11:50:33 AM »
If Earth is constantly moving up, why does gravitation very over the surface of the earth? 
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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #81 on: August 08, 2008, 12:15:32 PM »
If Earth is constantly moving up, why does gravitation very over the surface of the earth? 

Good question.

Wiki says this:
Apparent gravity is weaker at lower latitudes (nearer the equator), for two reasons. The first is that the surface of the Earth is not an inertial frame of reference: a centripetal force is required to keep objects on the surface moving in a circular path around the Earth's axis as the Earth rotates.

I say this:
If the Earth is a flat disc/platter - and NOT spinning, then this doesn't matter because no "sideways" force would be needed to keep objects from sliding about, but Wiki is not very good here because it doesn't bring gravity into it. Objects do not slide about - because of gravity! No sideways force is required. Gasses in the air are an exception if we assume the air is still (although it isn't, it moves around the earth on the round earth) - yes if there's a gas then fine, there would in the round earth model have to be some force making the gasses go sideways at the same speed as the earth turns on its axis - this Wiki passage only lends more credibility to the theory that the earth is flat and it is a still disc, hence no sideways sliding, or sideways force, is required.

Wiki continues:
In providing this centripetal force, some of the gravitational force on an object is "used up" leaving less to contribute to the object's weight. The apparent force due to rotation is called the centrifugal force; on the surface of the Earth, it depends on an object's mass and its latitude (it's zero at the poles and largest at the equator) so[clarify] it is customarily combined with the Newtonian gravity. Thus, the local gravity, g, is not purely the result of gravitational force, but is actually effective gravity, a combination of true gravity and centrifugal force. It is effective gravity that you measure when you step on a scale or hang a plumb bob. This effect on its own would result in a range of values of g from 9.789 m·s−2 at the equator to 9.832 m·s−2 at the poles.[1]

I say this:
This deals with the original question in the first post. Look at how small the difference is in gravity over the earth's surface - 9.789 m·s−2 at the equator to 9.832 m·s−2 at the poles"

We are talking about a discrepancy that is so small, it accounts for just 43mm out of 9,832mm.

I am sure the flat earth theory can explain this away easily by the fact that the sun and moon going overhead at the "equator" (circling the middle of the radius of the platter) are the reason why objects are slightly lighter at the equator. The effects are negligible anyway when its only 43 out of 9,832. In flat earth theory I propose that its the sun and moon causing this, the same as they both (not just the moon) cause the waves on the ocean.


There is one problem - look in TheEngineers sig and he has this...



This implies that there is such a thing as mass, but that to come to the conclusion that mass means gravity - you would have to apply "magic" or an "unknown" to explain it. Therefore this image is suggesting that spherical objects like the sun and moon do not have a gravitational pull at all - the waves of the sea must then be explained away with claims that the platter "tilts" slightly, only slightly, could just be 2 inches or something... but in this case then, we are back to the first question in the first post, no?

How can you have this discrepancy in things being ever so slightly lighter at the "equator" if it is not the sun or moon passing over that area to cause this effect in the flat earth?

FE claims mass does not mean gravitational pull hence, explain the fact that objects weigh slightly less at the equator.
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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #82 on: August 08, 2008, 12:30:59 PM »
Tom says that there's a shadow object responsible both for this and the shadow over the moon during a lunar eclipse, but we prefer to just admit we don't know.
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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #83 on: August 08, 2008, 12:32:38 PM »
Tom says that there's a shadow object responsible both for this and the shadow over the moon during a lunar eclipse, but we prefer to just admit we don't know.

Is this the same shadow that gives a quarter, half and full moon?  :D

Its seems that effect could only be possible where the earth is spherical and the sun is behind the earth, making the moon look semi-lit (in this case the shadow is the earth because the sun is "behind" you at night casting the earths shadow onto the moon, or not, depending on which stage in the lunar phase)


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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #84 on: August 08, 2008, 12:39:23 PM »
I already know the answer to my own question.
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I say this:
If the Earth is a flat disc/platter - and NOT spinning, then this doesn't matter because no "sideways" force would be needed to keep objects from sliding about, but Wiki is not very good here because it doesn't bring gravity into it. Objects do not slide about - because of gravity!
I'm already lost.  Objects on the earth don't slide about because of gravity?  That is true.  That doesn't show fe/re or the question on hand.  
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No sideways force is required. Gasses in the air are an exception if we assume the air is still (although it isn't, it moves around the earth on the round earth) - yes if there's a gas then fine, there would in the round earth model have to be some force making the gasses go sideways at the same speed as the earth turns on its axis - this Wiki passage only lends more credibility to the theory that the earth is flat and it is a still disc, hence no sideways sliding, or sideways force, is required.

The atmosphere follows the surface due to friction amongst other things.  That would be the force making gasses go sideways.   This still shows neither fe/re.

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I say this:
This deals with the original question in the first post. Look at how small the difference is in gravity over the earth's surface - 9.789 m•s−2 at the equator to 9.832 m•s−2 at the poles"
There is a chart that has values for different cities as well.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_gravity

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We are talking about a discrepancy that is so small, it accounts for just 43mm out of 9,832mm.

I am sure the flat earth theory can explain this away easily by the fact that the sun and moon going overhead at the "equator" (circling the middle of the radius of the platter) are the reason why objects are slightly lighter at the equator.
This would lead to gravity at one spot varying from day to night.  This is not seen.  
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The effects are negligible anyway when its only 43 out of 9,832. In flat earth theory I propose that its the sun and moon causing this, the same as they both (not just the moon) cause the waves on the ocean.
I know how tides work.  



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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #85 on: August 08, 2008, 12:44:46 PM »
Tom says that there's a shadow object responsible both for this and the shadow over the moon during a lunar eclipse, but we prefer to just admit we don't know.

Is this the same shadow that gives a quarter, half and full moon?  :D

Its seems that effect could only be possible where the earth is spherical and the sun is behind the earth, making the moon look semi-lit (in this case the shadow is the earth because the sun is "behind" you at night casting the earths shadow onto the moon, or not, depending on which stage in the lunar phase)



I never said I believe it, just that Tom does.
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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #86 on: August 08, 2008, 12:56:45 PM »
Where Wiki states that gravity is weaker at the equator it explains this:

The first is that the surface of the Earth is not an inertial frame of reference: a centripetal force is required to keep objects on the surface moving in a circular path around the Earth's axis as the Earth rotates.

So they ARE saying a force is required to stop things "sliding" around and to make them sticking to the earth other than downward force (gravity). The gravity alone is sufficient to stop the sliding. Which is why I mentioned it - its a flaw in the article but hey this is Wikipedia which anyone can edit, right?

Unless they are claiming that if you drop an object from say 500 feet up, assuming...

1 - You are not moving, you are absolutely dead still.
2 - There is no wind to blow the object.

Will it land exactly below where you dropped it (both FE/RE?) I don't know.

I am not arguing that FE is true, after all I want to know what makes objects 0.004373% lighter at the equator too. (the discrepancy of 43mm/s/s divided by the most pull on earth 9832mm/s/s)

Prove FE Wrong!

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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #87 on: August 08, 2008, 01:33:07 PM »
Where Wiki states that gravity is weaker at the equator it explains this:

The first is that the surface of the Earth is not an inertial frame of reference: a centripetal force is required to keep objects on the surface moving in a circular path around the Earth's axis as the Earth rotates.

So they ARE saying a force is required to stop things "sliding" around and to make them sticking to the earth other than downward force (gravity). The gravity alone is sufficient to stop the sliding. Which is why I mentioned it - its a flaw in the article but hey this is Wikipedia which anyone can edit, right?
Gravity and surface friction hold things in place.  I still don't see what you are getting at. 

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Unless they are claiming that if you drop an object from say 500 feet up, assuming...

1 - You are not moving, you are absolutely dead still.
2 - There is no wind to blow the object.

Will it land exactly below where you dropped it (both FE/RE?) I don't know.
They would land at different spots depending on fe/re. 

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I am not arguing that FE is true, after all I want to know what makes objects 0.004373% lighter at the equator too. (the discrepancy of 43mm/s/s divided by the most pull on earth 9832mm/s/s)


The RE has an explanation that works, the FE does not. 

Gravity at the equator is different than at the polls partly due to the earth not being a perfect sphere.  Density of the earth varies across the surface.  This can also affect gravity.  I'm not sure how much is due to the earth rotating. 
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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #88 on: August 08, 2008, 01:52:59 PM »
I assume you mean poles. I'm not not taking you seriously because of it, while you do deserve it, I'm not taking you seriously because you can't understand we don't know everything!
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

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Re: If Earth is constantly moving up....
« Reply #89 on: August 08, 2008, 04:04:28 PM »
I think we're saying the same thing. My point was that it doesn't matter how this outside observer see things, all that matters is how we understand things are from a more universal point of view. We may not be able to observe it directly but based on our understanding of the works of the universe we can reveal a view closer to what is correct on paper.

what is observed from our point of reference or from the point of reference a person outside of us has nothing no bearing on what is actually going.

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As I've said previously, go and read a book or two and get a clue.

You said that if we were continuously accelerating in our frame of reference at 9.8m/s2 we would eventually reach the speed of light. If you understood even the basics of relativity you would understand why this won't happen.

Here's a kid's explanation of time dilation for you (from a source I'd imagine you trust). To sum it up for you: "moving clocks run slow."