Proof of the conspiracy

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Sean O'Grady

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2008, 05:13:04 AM »
You do realize in the URL I gave you it explained the error in Rowbos experiment on why he thought the Earth was flat. Your experiment was likely simulary flawed. It even says in that entry that once this error was accounted for, all  further experiments showed the Earth was ROUND.

I have watched a ship practically disapear completely "over" the horizon and then looked at it through a telescope and was able to see the entire ship again. How is that explained with a round earth model?

Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2008, 05:16:06 AM »
Because light does bend around the curvature of the Earth, allowing you, through a telescope which produces images based on light they recieved to see.


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Sean O'Grady

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2008, 05:19:37 AM »
Because light does bend around the curvature of the Earth, allowing you, through a telescope which produces images based on light they recieved to see.



Ah I see, so the light doesn't bend around the earth when viewing things with your naked eye but when looking at things through a telescope the light suddenly bends?

Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2008, 05:28:24 AM »
No, it does bend always. But a telescope lens has a much big aperture then your eye, allowing more light to be taken in and can see much more. That is why when looking at something in space too, the bigger aperture telescope you have the more you can see.
Also a telescope has more magnification then your eye, allowing you so see geater distances.

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2008, 05:34:38 AM »
No, it does bend always. But a telescope lens has a much big aperture then your eye, allowing more light to be taken in and can see much more. That is why when looking at something in space too, the bigger aperture telescope you have the more you can see.
Also a telescope has more magnification then your eye, allowing you so see geater distances.

The light still needs to bend all the way down to the telescope and to where your eye is - it will create a much more detailed picture at greater distances but it won't allow you to see something that is obscured if it was already obscured to begin with. We're not talking about making something that was minutely obscured we're talking about a whole ship being completely obscured.

Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2008, 05:42:20 AM »
I am aware of what you speak but when it comes to something over the horizon that is how it works. bend all the way down to the telescope?  its bending up the curve, not down to the telescope. its not as if the light bends up the horizon, shoots up into the air and down into the scope, The light paths will be atthe same altitude and such as they bend around the curve, meaning the light that was entering your scope directly, will now just bend on its way there.

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2008, 05:51:42 AM »
I am aware of what you speak but when it comes to something over the horizon that is how it works. bend all the way down to the telescope?  its bending up the curve, not down to the telescope. its not as if the light bends up the horizon, shoots up into the air and down into the scope, The light paths will be atthe same altitude and such as they bend around the curve, meaning the light that was entering your scope directly, will now just bend on its way there.

hahahaha light is bending up the curve hahahaha

I had to read this a few times before I understood what you were talking about. That's fucking hilarious.

So let me get this straight light isn't bending over the horizon as it travels anymore but is actually bending the horizon up? That's gold.

Look, light that reflects off the ship will curve around the horizon in RET. Good so far? Some of this light will curve so much that the photons will strike the back of your eye and this will cause the sensation known as 'sight'. While it is true that you can use a telescope to make more of these photons from a specific area hit the back of your eye what isn't true is that by using a telescope you can make the light curve any more. Therefore any light that went over your head before is not suddenly going to suddenly bend any further down just because you chuck a telescope there.

Would a pretty picture help?

Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2008, 06:18:33 AM »
the FEers need to show some proof then.  dont tell me the burden of proof is upon us, because everytime its fake or a conspiracy.  if you want to sway the opinion of almost everyone in the world then YOU need to show US proof.  not the other way around.  we already know we are right anyway.

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2008, 06:19:16 AM »
How can we prove a conspiracy?

Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2008, 06:26:34 AM »
I am aware of what you speak but when it comes to something over the horizon that is how it works. bend all the way down to the telescope?  its bending up the curve, not down to the telescope. its not as if the light bends up the horizon, shoots up into the air and down into the scope, The light paths will be atthe same altitude and such as they bend around the curve, meaning the light that was entering your scope directly, will now just bend on its way there.

hahahaha light is bending up the curve hahahaha

I had to read this a few times before I understood what you were talking about. That's fucking hilarious.

So let me get this straight light isn't bending over the horizon as it travels anymore but is actually bending the horizon up? That's gold.

Look, light that reflects off the ship will curve around the horizon in RET. Good so far? Some of this light will curve so much that the photons will strike the back of your eye and this will cause the sensation known as 'sight'. While it is true that you can use a telescope to make more of these photons from a specific area hit the back of your eye what isn't true is that by using a telescope you can make the light curve any more. Therefore any light that went over your head before is not suddenly going to suddenly bend any further down just because you chuck a telescope there.

Would a pretty picture help?


... NO.

Im not saying it bends the horizon. Im saying as light travels over the horizon it will bend with the curve in the Earth at a consistent altitude.
The telescoe doesnt make the light curve, it absorbs and magnifies it!
and your ecplanation rehardng photons is bullocks, yes they do, but tht doesnt mean you cans eeeverythng. In the night sky you look up at Jupiter, it is merely a bright dot in the sky, but there is much more to it.

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2008, 06:28:56 AM »
the FEers need to show some proof then.  dont tell me the burden of proof is upon us, because everytime its fake or a conspiracy.  if you want to sway the opinion of almost everyone in the world then YOU need to show US proof.  not the other way around.  we already know we are right anyway.

I completely agree that the burden of proof relies on the people setting out to convince others that they are wrong. It doesn't really make sense for somebody who believes in a flat earth to go out on to round earth forums and say you have a burden of proof to prove to me that the earth is round.

As for the conspiracy, if you bothered to read anything you would understand that the conspiracy hasn't been proven yet. It is merely a hypothesis that explains various phenomena such as photos from NASA. How is that hard to comprehend? If there was proof either way of whether the photos are fake or genuine then we could find out which model is a better description of the universe.

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2008, 06:40:14 AM »
... NO.

Im not saying it bends the horizon. Im saying as light travels over the horizon it will bend with the curve in the Earth at a consistent altitude.
The telescoe doesnt make the light curve, it absorbs and magnifies it!
and your ecplanation rehardng photons is bullocks, yes they do, but tht doesnt mean you cans eeeverythng. In the night sky you look up at Jupiter, it is merely a bright dot in the sky, but there is much more to it.

The light will bend with the curve at a consistent altitude? So you can see for an unlimited range on a round earth?

I didn't say you could see everything. What I said was that if light is travelling over your head then it doesn't matter whether you have a telescope or not as the light still needs to enter the telescope to work. As for Jupiter that is completely missing the point, the light from Jupiter is coming straight down to you and is not supposed to be obscured by anything. When a ship is obscured by the horizon no ammount of magnification would make it visible again.

I'm going to get to work on that pretty picutre now.

Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2008, 06:41:16 AM »
the FEers need to show some proof then.  dont tell me the burden of proof is upon us, because everytime its fake or a conspiracy.  if you want to sway the opinion of almost everyone in the world then YOU need to show US proof.  not the other way around.  we already know we are right anyway.

I completely agree that the burden of proof relies on the people setting out to convince others that they are wrong. It doesn't really make sense for somebody who believes in a flat earth to go out on to round earth forums and say you have a burden of proof to prove to me that the earth is round.

As for the conspiracy, if you bothered to read anything you would understand that the conspiracy hasn't been proven yet. It is merely a hypothesis that explains various phenomena such as photos from NASA. How is that hard to comprehend? If there was proof either way of whether the photos are fake or genuine then we could find out which model is a better description of the universe.

you are WAY in the minority.  round earth is already accepted by 99.99999% of the (round) world.  why would we have to prove that to you?  that doesnt make any sense. 

btw there is proof.  LOTS of it.  all of that rotbeweirjwekjrwerp or whatever the hell his name is theories, which ALL OF YOU BELIEVE, have been disproven.  you guys dont have shit, not even a motive for a conspiracy.  its pathetic.  all of your guys response to everything is ridiculous!  "yea they must of had photoshop back in the day"  LMFAOROFL!  are you serious?  a giant ice wall no one has ever seen or taken pictures?  ok dude, tell me, if no one has ever seen it because they are guarding it, how do you know its there?  YOU HAVNT SEEN IT! the government is guarding an ice wall?  that hardly seems worth it to me.   if there was a conspiracy why do they send people out to space?  thats only very likely to ruin everything!

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2008, 06:51:55 AM »
you are WAY in the minority.  round earth is already accepted by 99.99999% of the (round) world.  why would we have to prove that to you?  that doesnt make any sense.

I never said that you had to prove anything to us. I said that if somebody wants to convince somebody of something than they should have the brains to realise the burden of proof is always going to be on them. If they can't understand that simple fact of life then any attempt on their part to convince people is always going to be good for a laugh.

btw there is proof.  LOTS of it.  all of that rotbeweirjwekjrwerp or whatever the hell his name is theories, which ALL OF YOU BELIEVE, have been disproven.  you guys dont have shit, not even a motive for a conspiracy.  its pathetic.  all of your guys response to everything is ridiculous!  "yea they must of had photoshop back in the day"  LMFAOROFL!  are you serious?  a giant ice wall no one has ever seen or taken pictures?  ok dude, tell me, if no one has ever seen it because they are guarding it, how do you know its there?  YOU HAVNT SEEN IT! the government is guarding an ice wall?  that hardly seems worth it to me.   if there was a conspiracy why do they send people out to space?  thats only very likely to ruin everything!

Which proofs are you speaking about?

Right, I can't speak for all of the FEers on the site but as for conjecture about motives, size, activities of the conspiracy I don't bother. It would all be baseless speculation.

Hell I'm not even convinced there are people guarding the Ice Wall. Personally I try to keep speculation down to a minimum.

As for the last point it's not possible to send people into space (at least for too long) so I doubt anybody's every actually been.

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2008, 06:58:39 AM »
you are WAY in the minority.  round earth is already accepted by 99.99999% of the (round) world.  why would we have to prove that to you?  that doesnt make any sense. 

More sense than believing something just because almost everyone else believes it. That's called a fallacy.
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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2008, 07:33:06 AM »
you are WAY in the minority.  round earth is already accepted by 99.99999% of the (round) world.  why would we have to prove that to you?  that doesnt make any sense. 

More sense than believing something just because almost everyone else believes it. That's called a fallacy.

no.  i believe it because im not a fucking idiot.

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2008, 07:38:08 AM »
You believe it because you invoke fallacies. In other words, you're illogical and therefore an idiot.
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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2008, 08:23:06 AM »

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2008, 03:03:20 PM »
The earth is flat. The authorities assert that it is not. Therefore, there must be a conspiracy.

You insult the name Oscar Wilde.

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2008, 03:09:45 PM »
The earth is flat. The authorities assert that it is not. Therefore, there must be a conspiracy.

You insult the name Oscar Wilde.
I am Oscar Wilde! >:(

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2008, 03:30:04 PM »
Outside of your belief that the world is flat, is there any evidence of a conspiracy?  Ex-employees speaking out, photographs of a government base near the ice wall, anything at all?

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2008, 03:35:33 PM »
The earth is flat. The authorities assert that it is not. Therefore, there must be a conspiracy.

Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2008, 03:35:49 PM »
you are WAY in the minority.  round earth is already accepted by 99.99999% of the (round) world.  why would we have to prove that to you?  that doesnt make any sense. 

More sense than believing something just because almost everyone else believes it. That's called a fallacy.

Actually we have proof, but it's all a conspiracy, that's the problem with proving RE. You can just use "conspiracy" for almost anything without having to prove the conspiracy

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2008, 03:38:42 PM »
That just proves how shaky your proof is.

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2008, 04:30:05 PM »
The earth is flat. The authorities assert that it is not. Therefore, there must be a conspiracy.

yeah, you keep repeating that.... but the point to the original question, is where is the PROOF that the earth is flat? Where is the PROOF of a conspiracy? There is endless proof (personal experience, videos, picture, science experiments and more) that proves the earth is round, and no actual proof that it is flat. There is simply this group of people that SAYS the earth is flat and that the earth being round is a conspiracy, but offers no proof.

So I'll repeat the original question... "Could you provide the proof to support this argument?"

Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2008, 04:46:19 PM »
That just proves how shaky your proof is.

And? You can use conspiracy for both sides, and virtually any issue

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2008, 04:46:31 PM »


but the point to the original question, is where is the PROOF that the earth is flat?

Look out your window. It looks pretty flat, doesnt it?


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Where is the PROOF of a conspiracy?


How are we supposed to prove a conspiracy? What would you even accept as evidence?

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There is endless proof (personal experience, videos, picture
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Pictures and videos dont prove anything.



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science experiments and more)

Such as....


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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2008, 04:48:04 PM »
The earth is flat. The authorities assert that it is not. Therefore, there must be a conspiracy.

yeah, you keep repeating that.... but the point to the original question, is where is the PROOF that the earth is flat? Where is the PROOF of a conspiracy? There is endless proof (personal experience, videos, picture, science experiments and more) that proves the earth is round, and no actual proof that it is flat. There is simply this group of people that SAYS the earth is flat and that the earth being round is a conspiracy, but offers no proof.

So I'll repeat the original question... "Could you provide the proof to support this argument?"
He asked for proof of the conspiracy. The proof of a flat earth is all over this forum (and outside your window). Lurk.

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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2008, 05:03:43 PM »
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He asked for proof of the conspiracy. The proof of a flat earth is all over this forum (and outside your window).

ok, so you have me there... MY question is where is the proof of a flat earth other than what you say on this forum and site or any other like it (as in, in the real world).  With any supposed conspiracy, there's some sort of underground group, a site and forum like this with theories that they dish out as facts; they state that any belief other than theirs is at the least, stupid opinion, or at the worst, conspiracy by one or more governments.

and btw, outside this window,  there is a *round* earth, as PROVEN by endless real life proof from outside this forum (as in, in the real world)
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Re: Proof of the conspiracy
« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2008, 05:12:43 PM »
Yeah "Oscar Wilde" you completely failed to answer my question.  Did you perhaps misunderstand the question?

Assuming for a moment that the world is flat (which itself isn't definitive proof of a conspiracy) what OTHER proof is there of a conspiracy, if any?