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Images of The Flat Earth
« on: July 01, 2008, 02:42:40 PM »
I've read the FAQ and several other threads related to images of the FE, but a lot of the links that are littered around the place appear to be dead. I'm just wondering if any of you have any images of the FE not linked to in the FAQ, or currently under defunct links. Any help would be much appreciated.
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2008, 02:48:16 PM »
Doing so would require an actual flat earth researcher, of which there are none presently.
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2008, 02:56:02 PM »
There are images on this forum which are not in the FAQ, which were posted by current, active members, but which are now dead links. I'm just looking for rendered, member-produced stuff.
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2008, 02:58:12 PM »
I'm not sure I can help. I only have a few images dedicated to FE.
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2008, 03:04:08 PM »


Ignore the Bible verse at the bottom, and you have an accurate representation.
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2008, 03:10:58 PM »
Cool, thanks Gen. D!

I'm not really looking for this to increase my understanding; it's more so I can have a number of different images for my own use.
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2008, 06:54:21 PM »
Actually, that is just a round earth map projected on to a flat surface and therefore may or may not accurately depict the true layout of the flat earth.  To the best of my knowledge, a comprehensive survey of the know flat earth has not been published.
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2008, 07:00:07 PM »
That map is so wrong on so many levels.  Care to put some distances between locations on that map?

Oahu to Guam?

Guam to Diego Garcia?
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2008, 07:03:16 PM »
Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on July 01, 2008, 07:00:07 PM
That map is so wrong on so many levels.  Care to put some distances between locations on that map?

Oahu to Guam?

Guam to Diego Garcia?

Well, the original round map that was used for the flat projection was commissioned by the conspiracy, so what do you expect?
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2008, 07:41:29 PM »
I think the more interesting aspect of that map is the size of the southern hemisphere's islands.  Look at the size of the Falklands, Madagascar, and Australia compared to North America.
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2008, 03:20:37 AM »
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I think the more interesting aspect of that map is the size of the southern hemisphere's islands.  Look at the size of the Falklands, Madagascar, and Australia compared to North America.


Even more interesting is the fact that you can get non-stop commercial flights from Buenos Aires, Argentina to Sydney, Australia - two cities that are just under 12.000km apart in the RE model - with a flight time of under 20 hours. Looking at that FE map, and considering that FE is said to have a diameter of ~40.000km, the distance between Buenos Aires and Sydney would be more than double that.

Considering the absolute maximum cruising speed of modern commercial airliners (around 900km/h) and their maximum range of about 15.000km, it is absolutely possible to make this trip in under 20h in the RE model, but in the FE model it would not even be possible to get from one city to the other non-stop.
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2008, 03:24:38 AM »
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Even more interesting is the fact that you can get non-stop commercial flights from Buenos Aires, Argentina to Sydney, Australia - two cities that are just under 12.000km apart in the RE model - with a flight time of under 20 hours. Looking at that FE map, and considering that FE is said to have a diameter of ~40.000km, the distance between Buenos Aires and Sydney would be more than double that.

Have you been on the flight? How do you know that the flight does not experience an in-flight delay as per normal of international flights, or whether the plane uses a jet stream as many international flights do to quicker reach a destination?
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2008, 03:36:56 AM »
In-flight delays? I fly internationally rather often, mostly between Hanover and London, but also to the US - and I have never in my life experienced an in-flight delay of more than ten minutes, and in all cases we were circling the airport just before landing.

No, I have not been on a flight Argentina to Australia or back. Are you seriously telling me that commercial airliners can accelerate to beyond the speed of sound and then cover twice their normal range? If so, you are deluding yourself.


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Oooh, look: http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au. You can even get sight seeing flights to the forbidden outer rim of antarctica. I bet NASA shoots down those flights on a regular basis.
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2008, 03:51:44 AM »
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In-flight delays? I fly internationally rather often, mostly between Hanover and London, but also to the US - and I have never in my life experienced an in-flight delay of more than ten minutes, and in all cases we were circling the airport just before landing.

I've personally been on international flights which have experienced in-flight delays on the range of hours.

TheEngineer has also experienced lengthy in-flight delays.

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No, I have not been on a flight Argentina to Australia or back. Are you seriously telling me that commercial airliners can accelerate to beyond the speed of sound and then cover twice their normal range? If so, you are deluding yourself.

TheEngineer has been on flights which have arrived in less than half the time they should have taken due to winds aloft.


As we can see from personal testimony and experience, flight times are not the way to measure the distance between two distant points on earth.
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2008, 03:57:19 AM »
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Oooh, look: http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au. You can even get sight seeing flights to the forbidden outer rim of antarctica. I bet NASA shoots down those flights on a regular basis.

No one is forbidden from flying over a small part of the antarctic coast or visiting it to see the penguins. Hundreds of people visit the antarctic coast every year.
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2008, 04:05:33 AM »
A one hour flight reduced to half an hour because of good conditions... maybe. A flight across the entire (FE) world? At double the range of any commercial airliner? With in-flight delays in excess of five hours? Every time? No. No. No.

I put up with a lot of weak argumentation from your part, but I'm not stupid enough to believe that every single long distance international flight in the world is delayed and/or accelerated just to keep people in the dark about FE. Do you really expect to be taken seriously when you are constructing a ridiculous net of ludicrous explanations for things that are far more simply explained by the fact that the Earth is round? How fucking stupid do you think people are?


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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2008, 08:36:16 AM »
If airlines aren't acceptable for schedules, how about shipping?

Maersk Line offers container service between the ports of Sydney, Australia and Auckland, New Zealand. (Maersk's Home Page)

Based on their published schedule, I could send a container from Sydney to Auckland.  The container from Sydney would be loaded on the Maersk Fuji (Maersk Fuji Specifications) on 22 July and arrive in Auckland on 29 July after a stop by the ship in Melbourne to load and discharge containers (39 hours from Sydney to Melbourne and 106 hours from Melbourne to Auckland with 22 hours of time in port).

This is a published schedule and you could track it if you choose.

When the Maersk Fuji made the voyage from Melbourne to Auckland in June 2008 it 38 hours to go from Sydney to Melbourne, and then, 119 hours to make the voyage to Auckland. (Voyages #0822 and #0823).

Here is where the interesting information comes in.  World Distances Between Ports (Pub 151) gives the distance between Melbourne and Auckland as 1649 nm.  At her design speed of 18.8 knots, that would allow the [Maersk Fuji to complete the voyage in 87 hours, but we have to allow for getting into and out of the harbor, picking up the pilot and docking times.

The latitude and longitude of Melbourne is Lat - 37° 49' S Long - 144° 56' E and Auckland is Lat - 36° 50'S Long - 174° 47' E.  A difference of 29° 51' of longitude.

In real Earth geography a degree of longitude at 37° latitude is 46.8 nm, or 1397 nm for the approximate straight line distance between these two ports.

In flat Earth geography a degree of longitude at 37° south latitude is 133.0 nm (radius at that line of longitude is 7620 nm, giving a circumference of 47878 nm, making one degree 133.0).  This gives an approximate straight line distance of 3970 nm.

The Maersk Fuji to make her schedule on a flat Earth would have to move 37.5 knots.  Over twice her design speed!

This example is a relatively short run in the southern hemisphere, not event requiring to go from Australia to South Africa or any of the other normal voyages.
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2008, 08:56:18 AM »
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If airlines aren't acceptable for schedules, how about shipping?

Maersk Line offers container service between the ports of Sydney, Australia and Auckland, New Zealand. (Maersk's Home Page)

You're assuming that the container ship arrives on time.
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2008, 09:12:05 AM »
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...You're assuming that the container ship arrives on time.

That is why I put the data in for last month's voyage.  You can check the information on their website by typing in the voyage numbers that I listed.  That is how I found the information.
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2008, 10:25:39 AM »
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In-flight delays? I fly internationally rather often, mostly between Hanover and London, but also to the US - and I have never in my life experienced an in-flight delay of more than ten minutes, and in all cases we were circling the airport just before landing.

I've personally been on international flights which have experienced in-flight delays on the range of hours.

TheEngineer has also experienced lengthy in-flight delays.

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No, I have not been on a flight Argentina to Australia or back. Are you seriously telling me that commercial airliners can accelerate to beyond the speed of sound and then cover twice their normal range? If so, you are deluding yourself.

TheEngineer has been on flights which have arrived in less than half the time they should have taken due to winds aloft.


As we can see from personal testimony and experience, flight times are not the way to measure the distance between two distant points on earth.

You have the testimony and experience from one person. One person tom.
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2008, 10:53:57 AM »
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I put up with a lot of weak argumentation from your part, but I'm not stupid enough to believe that every single long distance international flight in the world is delayed and/or accelerated just to keep people in the dark about FE.

Only the flights traveling East or West in the Southern Hemisphere would be delayed. The vast majority of flights in the Southern Hemisphere are traveling North-South between the more populated countries. Traveling Northward or Southward on the FE map would reflect RE distances.

There are relatively very few people who need to travel between South America and Australia. I've read that the only recurring flight between the two areas occurs once every 2 - 4 months.

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That is why I put the data in for last month's voyage.  You can check the information on their website by typing in the voyage numbers that I listed.  That is how I found the information.

I don't see any links or references for voyage data.
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2008, 12:49:26 PM »
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If airlines aren't acceptable for schedules, how about shipping?

Maersk Line offers container service between the ports of Sydney, Australia and Auckland, New Zealand. (Maersk's Home Page)

You're assuming that the container ship arrives on time.

As competitive as the shipping industry is today, either you run on time, or you run out of business.
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« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2008, 03:49:27 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 02, 2008, 10:53:57 AM
There are relatively very few people who need to travel between South America and Australia. I've read that the only recurring flight between the two areas occurs once every 2 - 4 months.

That statement didn't seem right to me so it took me a few minutes to check on the Quantas website and look at flights from Sydney, Australia  to Santiago, Chile. For a randomly chosen day there were 4 flights listed. A direct flight is advertised as taking about 16 hours.

Do you think all such flights would be delayed, that all such flights travel in the jet stream at supersonic speed, or do you have some other explanation? After all a single instance of a flight arriving on time or a shipment arriving on time in the Maersk shipping example is all it would take to disprove any notion that all such journeys are delayed in some way.

On a more general note, I've noticed a certain pattern in these threads. A thread meanders along whilst there is no difficult hard to answer question raised, but when anyone brings up a reasonable question with data to back it up (such as the shipping lines instance above) the thread quickly peters out , usually with a few facetious distractions and ad hominem jibes thrown in for good measure, but without a sensible answer being given. Care to prove me wrong?  ;)
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Re: Images of The Flat Earth
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2008, 04:01:00 PM »
Quote from: Serif on August 04, 2008, 03:49:27 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 02, 2008, 10:53:57 AM
There are relatively very few people who need to travel between South America and Australia. I've read that the only recurring flight between the two areas occurs once every 2 - 4 months.

That statement didn't seem right to me so it took me a few minutes to check on the Quantas website and look at flights from Sydney, Australia  to Santiago, Chile. For a randomly chosen day there were 4 flights listed. A direct flight is advertised as taking about 16 hours.

Do you think all such flights would be delayed, that all such flights travel in the jet stream at supersonic speed, or do you have some other explanation? After all a single instance of a flight arriving on time or a shipment arriving on time in the Maersk shipping example is all it would take to disprove any notion that all such journeys are delayed in some way.

On a more general note, I've noticed a certain pattern in these threads. A thread meanders along whilst there is no difficult hard to answer question raised, but when anyone brings up a reasonable question with data to back it up (such as the shipping lines instance above) the thread quickly peters out , usually with a few facetious distractions and ad hominem jibes thrown in for good measure, but without a sensible answer being given. Care to prove me wrong?  ;)

You will not get an answer. These people are deluded crackpots. I would actually advise them to seek medical help for their mental condition that leads them to believe their "theories".

Any question is met with ridicule on spelling and grammar. What else do these people have in their sad lives? To actually be in such a minority indicates they hate themselves, they hate themselves to such a degree it is almost unheard of, but have coagulated here where they can feel part of a group that knows better than anyone else.

I would theorise many are self-harmers, perhaps depressed, and have many attempts on their own lives in the form of planar scars across their wrists, and are probably adults that live with their parents.

Take poor Tom for example, spends all his time typing out worthless drivel, telling lies, making up "facts" that are based on myth and Terry Pratchett books.

It truly is laughable, yet I weep for the human race.
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« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2008, 04:23:13 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 02, 2008, 10:53:57 AM
There are relatively very few people who need to travel between South America and Australia. I've read that the only recurring flight between the two areas occurs once every 2 - 4 months.

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn/au/publicaffairs/details?ArticleID=2008/mar08/Q3739
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« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2008, 04:29:48 PM »
Quote from: Hotpoint on August 04, 2008, 04:01:00 PM
You will not get an answer. These people are deluded crackpots. I would actually advise them to seek medical help for their mental condition that leads them to believe their "theories".

Any question is met with ridicule on spelling and grammar. What else do these people have in their sad lives? To actually be in such a minority indicates they hate themselves, they hate themselves to such a degree it is almost unheard of, but have coagulated here where they can feel part of a group that knows better than anyone else.

I would theorise many are self-harmers, perhaps depressed, and have many attempts on their own lives in the form of planar scars across their wrists, and are probably adults that live with their parents.

Take poor Tom for example, spends all his time typing out worthless drivel, telling lies, making up "facts" that are based on myth and Terry Pratchett books.

It truly is laughable, yet I weep for the human race.

Yes - but they do make one feel refreshingly normal.... ;D
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« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2008, 04:40:00 PM »
Quote from: Hotpoint on August 04, 2008, 04:01:00 PM
You will not get an answer. These people are deluded crackpots. I would actually advise them to seek medical help for their mental condition that leads them to believe their "theories".

Any question is met with ridicule on spelling and grammar. What else do these people have in their sad lives? To actually be in such a minority indicates they hate themselves, they hate themselves to such a degree it is almost unheard of, but have coagulated here where they can feel part of a group that knows better than anyone else.

I would theorise many are self-harmers, perhaps depressed, and have many attempts on their own lives in the form of planar scars across their wrists, and are probably adults that live with their parents.

Take poor Tom for example, spends all his time typing out worthless drivel, telling lies, making up "facts" that are based on myth and Terry Pratchett books.

It truly is laughable, yet I weep for the human race.

I see, we're depressed and you are weeping.  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2008, 04:41:36 PM »
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As competitive as the shipping industry is today, either you run on time, or you run out of business.

Who knows what kind of time estimates those South American shipping companies give their Australian buyers. You haven't given me any data on projected or actual shipping times. I don't see any logs. I don't see any testimonials. I don't see any reports. I don't see any shipping invoices.

I don't see anything remotely resembling evidence other than your own imaginings which you assert as fact.

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Do you think all such flights would be delayed, that all such flights travel in the jet stream at supersonic speed, or do you have some other explanation? After all a single instance of a flight arriving on time or a shipment arriving on time in the Maersk shipping example is all it would take to disprove any notion that all such journeys are delayed in some way.

Yet you've shown zero logs and expect me to take your imaginings at face value and assume that those flights all arrive on time when it's known that with international travel it's not too surprising to experience delays on long haul flights.

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http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn/au/publicaffairs/details?ArticleID=2008/mar08/Q3739

That news article says nothing about delays, whether the pilot flies in a jet stream, or anything of the sort. The article seems to only agree with my assertion that flights between Australia and South America haven't been as frequent as many of you blindly assume.
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« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2008, 08:20:59 PM »
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As competitive as the shipping industry is today, either you run on time, or you run out of business.

Who knows what kind of time estimates those South American shipping companies give their Australian buyers. You haven't given me any data on projected or actual shipping times. I don't see any logs. I don't see any testimonials. I don't see any reports. I don't see any shipping invoices.

I don't see anything remotely resembling evidence other than your own imaginings which you assert as fact.

Why don't you try tracking a cargo ship yourself and see if the numbers  south of the equator seem reasonable to you:  http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml
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« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2008, 11:26:34 PM »
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As competitive as the shipping industry is today, either you run on time, or you run out of business.

Who knows what kind of time estimates those South American shipping companies give their Australian buyers. You haven't given me any data on projected or actual shipping times. I don't see any logs. I don't see any testimonials. I don't see any reports. I don't see any shipping invoices.

I don't see anything remotely resembling evidence other than your own imaginings which you assert as fact.

Yet you've shown zero logs and expect me to take your imaginings at face value and assume that those flights all arrive on time when it's known that with international travel it's not too surprising to experience delays on long haul flights.

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http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn/au/publicaffairs/details?ArticleID=2008/mar08/Q3739

That news article says nothing about delays, whether the pilot flies in a jet stream, or anything of the sort. The article seems to only agree with my assertion that flights between Australia and South America haven't been as frequent as many of you blindly assume.

And were any log etc. to be submitted as evidence you'd doubtless dismiss it as being fabricated. You reject any evidence that you cannot personally verify through your own experience, and refuse to gather FE evidence through your own experience in order to conclusively refute RE theory.
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