RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #60 on: June 30, 2008, 08:57:52 PM »
why? wont let go of my beliefs just because others pressure me.


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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #61 on: June 30, 2008, 08:58:27 PM »
Typical
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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #62 on: June 30, 2008, 08:59:18 PM »
Lets just all agree that gravity doesn't exist and let this thread die

Nice try.  I'll give you a small "e" for effort.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #63 on: June 30, 2008, 09:00:14 PM »
Lets just all agree that gravity doesn't exist and let this thread die

Nice try.  I'll give you a small "e" for effort.

Well thank you very much
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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #64 on: June 30, 2008, 09:01:48 PM »
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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #65 on: June 30, 2008, 09:02:04 PM »
your welcome ;)

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #66 on: June 30, 2008, 09:03:56 PM »
Gravity is a pseudo force that arises from the transformation of a non inertial frame of reference into an inertial one.


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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #67 on: June 30, 2008, 09:11:16 PM »
Gravity is a pseudo force that arises from the transformation of a non inertial frame of reference into an inertial one.

UA is a unproven force that pushes along the bottom of the infinite plane (and everything else) that is the flat earth.

Definitions are fun.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #68 on: June 30, 2008, 09:14:01 PM »
So you agree with mine?


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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #69 on: June 30, 2008, 09:16:35 PM »
No I do not. 

Gravity is an actual force derived from an object having mass.

Im still figuring out this whole bending of space time thing.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #70 on: June 30, 2008, 09:18:14 PM »
I'm sometimes frustrated until I remember you're a marine.  ;)
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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #71 on: June 30, 2008, 09:19:13 PM »
They don't train us to be smart.  ;)

BTW that me L O L.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #72 on: June 30, 2008, 09:20:47 PM »
Gravity is an actual force derived from an object having mass.
What about objects without mass?


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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #73 on: June 30, 2008, 09:24:39 PM »
Look, no need to bully me around with your vast knowledge of physics.  You don't have to walk me into some corner of the debate you would like to go.  Just put your stuff out there.

As far as I know objects without mass would not have gravity.  Like light.  Light has no mass therefore has no gravity.
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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #74 on: June 30, 2008, 09:27:17 PM »
But it does. So Newtonian "gravity" has some issues...
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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #75 on: June 30, 2008, 09:34:11 PM »
I got this from the interweb.  Man, learning is fun.


Does light have mass?

That depends on which of two definitions of ’mass’ a particular physicist likes to use, and what type of light you’re talking about.

One definition of mass says that anything which has some gravitational pull on other objects has mass. By that definition, light has mass. This definition of mass is the same as the definition you get if you ask what ’m’ you have to multiply the velocity ’v’ by to get the ’momentum’ of an object. Momentum is a measure of how much stuff is moving which way. When things bump into each other, the total momentum doesn’t change even though it might be traded between the objects. Think of when two balls bounce off each other. Light has momentum, which means we can actually measure the push it gives to objects it runs into. This is the definition used by Einstein, for example in the famous equation E=mc^2.

On the other hand, physicists often find it convenient to think of mass as something that doesn’t depend on how an object is moving, also sometimes called the ’rest mass’. They call the mass of some object the mass that it would have according to somebody who says the object isn’t moving. Light always is moving, so by this definition (or more careful versions of it) a light ray has no mass.

Switching between those definitions can lead to a lot of confusion.

If you have a box of light, with the rays going every direction, the light does contribute to the total mass of the box, by any definition.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #76 on: June 30, 2008, 09:39:05 PM »
Imagine what else you have been wrong about.


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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #77 on: June 30, 2008, 09:43:07 PM »
Well the question and answer still stands I just don't know of anything without mass.


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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #78 on: June 30, 2008, 09:45:27 PM »
Rest mass or relativistic mass?
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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #79 on: June 30, 2008, 09:46:48 PM »
Well the question and answer still stands I just don't know of anything without mass.
Light.


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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #80 on: June 30, 2008, 09:47:37 PM »
Well the question and answer still stands I just don't know of anything without mass.
Light.


We just found out it does.  ???

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #81 on: June 30, 2008, 09:52:15 PM »
Does what?


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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #82 on: June 30, 2008, 09:55:40 PM »
Have mass.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #83 on: June 30, 2008, 09:56:02 PM »
Light does not. 


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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #84 on: June 30, 2008, 09:59:22 PM »
I got this from the interweb.  Man, learning is fun.


Does light have mass?

That depends on which of two definitions of ’mass’ a particular physicist likes to use, and what type of light you’re talking about.

One definition of mass says that anything which has some gravitational pull on other objects has mass. By that definition, light has mass. This definition of mass is the same as the definition you get if you ask what ’m’ you have to multiply the velocity ’v’ by to get the ’momentum’ of an object. Momentum is a measure of how much stuff is moving which way. When things bump into each other, the total momentum doesn’t change even though it might be traded between the objects. Think of when two balls bounce off each other. Light has momentum, which means we can actually measure the push it gives to objects it runs into. This is the definition used by Einstein, for example in the famous equation E=mc^2.

On the other hand, physicists often find it convenient to think of mass as something that doesn’t depend on how an object is moving, also sometimes called the ’rest mass’. They call the mass of some object the mass that it would have according to somebody who says the object isn’t moving. Light always is moving, so by this definition (or more careful versions of it) a light ray has no mass.

Switching between those definitions can lead to a lot of confusion.

If you have a box of light, with the rays going every direction, the light does contribute to the total mass of the box, by any definition.


And then you said

Imagine what else you have been wrong about.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #85 on: June 30, 2008, 10:00:51 PM »
Right.  Imagine what else you have been wrong about.


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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #86 on: June 30, 2008, 10:04:46 PM »
So imagine what else I've been wrong about.  But I'm still wrong because light has no mass.  But my first post was unintellectually right.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #87 on: June 30, 2008, 10:09:29 PM »
Yes, you were wrong because light has no mass but has a gravitational field. 


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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #88 on: June 30, 2008, 10:14:29 PM »
If you would have just posted that we could have saved half a page worth of shit.  I swear your complicated sometimes.

Anyway I guess I disagree based on what I read.

I guess I am also learning the difference between gravity and gravitational fields.

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Re: RE/FE gravity and universe Explanation
« Reply #89 on: July 01, 2008, 05:14:15 AM »
Gravity is a pseudo force that arises from the transformation of a non inertial frame of reference into an inertial one.

What's so bad about using an inertial frame of reference?
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