Space Travel

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Space Travel
« on: June 26, 2008, 04:27:12 PM »
According to FE, why is space travel impossible? Which law of physics prevents anyone reaching higher and higher altitudes?

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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2008, 04:27:50 PM »
I was just about to post this. Early bird gets the worm?
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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2008, 04:29:02 PM »
sustained space travel is impossible because the earth's orbit does not exist

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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2008, 04:33:52 PM »
And your proof is where...?
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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2008, 04:35:15 PM »
And your proof is where...?

I don't need to prove a negative. The existence of orbit is beyond human experience. Since you believe in something none of us have ever experienced, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that earth orbit indeed exists as advertised.

The burden of proof would also be on you if you believed in other things beyond human experience such as fairies, ghosts, or a higher being.
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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2008, 04:40:22 PM »
And your proof is where...?

I don't need proof. The existence of orbit is beyond human experience. Since you believe in something none of us have ever experienced, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that earth orbit indeed exists as advertised.

The burden of proof would also be on you if you believed in other things beyond human experience such as fairies, ghosts, or a higher being.

Your authority doesn't make it not exist. There is orbit, maybe because, I don't know, we've been on space vacations. FAIL Tom. You really must think humans are stupid to believe that we've never been to space. Are you one of those crazy old guys who people never listen to?
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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2008, 04:41:49 PM »
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Your authority doesn't make it not exist. There is orbit, maybe because, I don't know, we've been on space vacations. FAIL Tom. You really must think humans are stupid to believe that we've never been to space. Are you one of those crazy old guys who people never listen to?

Let me know when you prove your claim that the earth's orbit exists.

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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2008, 04:43:48 PM »
20-30 years from now they should be down to 1 million dollars. If I can't afford it then give it another 10 years and it should be $500,000. Are you young enough to live that long?
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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2008, 04:46:22 PM »
Let me know when you prove your claim that the earth's orbit exists.

Re: Space Travel
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2008, 04:51:23 PM »
I don't need to prove a negative. The existence of orbit is beyond human experience. Since you believe in something none of us have ever experienced, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that earth orbit indeed exists as advertised.

The burden of proof would also be on you if you believed in other things beyond human experience such as fairies, ghosts, or a higher being.

Tom wouldnt the hundreds, if not thousands, of scientists who are not affiliated with NASA or the "conspiracy" that claim this to be true be proof enough?

Not to mention they have more current ways of studying said orbit than whatever quack wrote that book that you always reference from the 1800's.
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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2008, 04:52:16 PM »
20-30 years from now they should be down to 1 million dollars. If I can't afford it then give it another 10 years and it should be $500,000. Are you young enough to live that long?
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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2008, 04:54:02 PM »
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Tom wouldnt the hundreds, if not thousands, of scientists who are not affiliated with NASA or the "conspiracy" that claim this to be true be proof enough?

I don't know of any scientist sending things into earth orbit who is not affiliated with a government contractor or space agency.

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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2008, 04:54:58 PM »
Well then find someone who does.  ??? You should be able to do that if you love your theory so much.
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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2008, 04:56:51 PM »
I dont think they would necessarily need to send things into orbit to verify it exists.
What about an inside-out or banana shaped earth...
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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2008, 04:59:49 PM »
I dont think they would necessarily need to send things into orbit to verify it exists.

How would they verify that it exists then?

Re: Space Travel
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2008, 05:03:52 PM »
Space travel is impossible because it existing would enable us to prove conclusively that the earth is flat or not, it will never be possible no matter how long this forum stays on the Internet, no matter what happens in the world

Re: Space Travel
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2008, 05:04:51 PM »
I dont know Tom, youre making me dizzy.

The Earth is round.
What about an inside-out or banana shaped earth...
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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2008, 06:19:46 PM »
Space travel is impossible because it existing would enable us to prove conclusively that the earth is flat or not, it will never be possible no matter how long this forum stays on the Internet, no matter what happens in the world
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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2008, 06:23:28 PM »
Space travel is impossible because it existing would enable us to prove conclusively that the earth is flat or not, it will never be possible no matter how long this forum stays on the Internet, no matter what happens in the world
I don't know what to say.

neither do i, but i do know that no matter what happens space flight will be impossible to a flat earther despite any evidence or new developments over the course of human history, if it exists then the whole argument can be settled

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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2008, 06:25:47 PM »
I was just about to post this. Early bird gets the worm?

But look what happened to the early worm. 
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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2008, 06:27:57 PM »
The problem is that an FEer can deny anything sat at their computer.

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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2008, 06:40:06 PM »
sustained space travel is impossible because the earth's orbit does not exist

Sustained space flight does not require Earth's orbit with your FE.

Sustained flight is possible in orbit around the Sun/Moon/Shadow object. These bodies orbit each other don't they? Theoretically at least.

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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2008, 07:42:48 PM »
The Earth (and by necessity, the Sun, Moon, stars and other celestial bodies) are accelerating at 9.8 m s-2. One cannot orbit an accelerating body without one's own source of propulsion. Since we do not have enough fuel to sustain such an acceleration for an extended period of time, sustained space travel is impossible.
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« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2008, 08:11:44 PM »
Some FE scientist (don't exist) should probably just launch something small past our atmosphere into the supposed orbit range,track it to see if it falls back to the earth

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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2008, 08:20:20 PM »
Some FE scientist (don't exist) should probably just launch something small past our atmosphere into the supposed orbit range,track it to see if it falls back to the earth

Donate 50 million dollars to fund the endeavor and we'll talk.

From http://express.howstuffworks.com/wq-satellite.htm :

    "A satellite launch can cost anywhere between $50 million and $400 million"
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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2008, 08:45:39 PM »
Some FE scientist (don't exist) should probably just launch something small past our atmosphere into the supposed orbit range,track it to see if it falls back to the earth

Donate 50 million dollars to fund the endeavor and we'll talk.

From http://express.howstuffworks.com/wq-satellite.htm :

    "A satellite launch can cost anywhere between $50 million and $400 million"

you know what "small" means don't you?

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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2008, 08:50:36 PM »
sustained space travel is impossible because the earth's orbit does not exist

Sustained space flight does not require Earth's orbit with your FE.

Sustained flight is possible in orbit around the Sun/Moon/Shadow object. These bodies orbit each other don't they? Theoretically at least.

I commented somewhere that theoretically one could get close enough to the heavenly bodies to interact with their observed gravitation. However, getting that close would be implausible using our known physics.
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« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2008, 09:37:05 PM »
I apparently am really bored and had to see this for myself.

Here's what I love the most. IF the people in the FE group REALLY BELIEVE this stuff, (and I think a lot of them fake it for kicks), then they are speaking from no acquired knowledge, studies, or expertise of their own.

There are numerous ways you can tell that the Earth is round.
1. We've been to space.
2. We've looked at the Earth from the moon, both manned and unmanned
3. Scientists mathematically can show the world is round, and have been able to for a few hundred years.
4. We've been to other planets (using robots, etc)
5. We now have jets that can go into sub orbit and you can see the arch of the Earth.
6. There are people right now is a space station above the Earth


I could go on, and I could get real scientific, but people being there seems proof enough. I doubt that EVERY photo of space and Earth has been doctored, faked, or somehow created. Also, your being right would mean hundreds of thousands of scientists are somehow lying to us, or just really bored and pulling our chain, and for no legitimate reason.

And you have no scientists on your side. So proving it to you would be impossible anyway. Don't pretend to have a stance with legitimacy behind it, and then just throw away or dismiss other's research because it couldn't possible be true. The person who posted that space travel is beyond our physics is clearly disillusioned, and I am sure has a degree in waste management, or no high school degree.

If I had lots of cash, I would love to just shoot your leaders ass into space for the fun of it. It would be worth it truly. I am sure he'd get back and continue to lie to you, just because he could. It's a power trip. Some people will believe anything.

And if you argue that all of science is wrong, then you have no opposition, because now there is no reason. If a scientist says the earth is round, and here is an equation, you can't just say " no, I'm sorry that's not right now way." You need to check it and prove it wrong. That is science, always testing. Simply saying the Earth is Flat is not science, it is stupidity.

One thing that is kind of annoying though, your lack of connection between science and technology. Technology is highly reliant upon science. Without Einstein's equation, there would be no cell phones and other devices. Computers couldn't possibly work, and even if the wright brothers hated science, there is still mathematics behind lift. So it is connected, even if you pretend it's not. This means that science does exist, and can be right. It also means things can be proven with mathematics. 

Really I don't care what you think this is a fun exercise in reading about stupid people. So carry on and have fun, and I hope that you are all kidding. If not, one of you aspire to be an astronaut so you can get behind NASA's secret doors and reveal the true NASA. At least that would be fun, and somewhat scientific.
 

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Re: Space Travel
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2008, 09:44:59 PM »
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you know what "small" means don't you?

It doesn't matter how large the payload is. The rocket is the expensive part.

Those "low cost" 50 million dollar launches are launching a satellite a little bigger than a Rubix Cube

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« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2008, 09:50:29 PM »
There are numerous ways you can tell that the Earth is round.
1. We've been to space.
2. We've looked at the Earth from the moon, both manned and unmanned
3. Scientists mathematically can show the world is round, and have been able to for a few hundred years.
4. We've been to other planets (using robots, etc)
5. We now have jets that can go into sub orbit and you can see the arch of the Earth.
6. There are people right now is a space station above the Earth

1. NASA has been to space.
2. We have not.
3. Please provide this equation.
4. We have not.
5. They see the arc of the disc or the area of the disc currently lit by the sun. Is there a large McDonalds visible from sub-orbit? Is that the arch of the earth?
6. There are not.

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