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Predictions
« on: June 21, 2008, 08:31:02 AM »
Can FE theory make any testable predictions? Has there been any made in the past that have turned out to be true?

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2008, 08:38:12 AM »
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Re: Predictions
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2008, 10:13:35 AM »
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Re: Predictions
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2008, 10:44:34 AM »
The FE predicts that when an object is released from my hand, it will appear to accelerate towards the Earth.  So, far, this prediction has never been falsified.


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Re: Predictions
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2008, 01:25:36 PM »
The FE predicts that seeding fruit do not spontaneously combust in August.  So far, this prediction has never been failed.

Another victory for FE!

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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2008, 04:57:30 PM »
The FE predicts that when an object is released from my hand, it will appear to accelerate towards the Earth.  So, far, this prediction has never been falsified.

The RE theory predicts that as well. How about something that contradicts RE theory?

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2008, 05:19:46 PM »
The FE predicts that when an object is released from my hand, it will appear to accelerate towards the Earth.  So, far, this prediction has never been falsified.

Do you have any proof to back that up?
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Re: Predictions
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2008, 06:33:37 PM »
Do you have any proof to back that up?
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Re: Predictions
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2008, 06:39:26 PM »
Show me, I dare you.
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Re: Predictions
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2008, 07:59:33 PM »
Hold a pen in your hand a foot above the ground.  Then let it go. 


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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2008, 09:07:21 PM »
The FE predicts that when an object is released from my hand, it will appear to accelerate towards the Earth.  So, far, this prediction has never been falsified.

And what, it accelerates away from the earth in RE?

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2008, 09:17:39 PM »
No, it warps "space-time" but no one knows how or why. Much more elegant than acceleration.
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Re: Predictions
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2008, 09:33:30 PM »
Hold a pen in your hand a foot above the ground.  Then let it go. 


It looks like gravity to me.
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Re: Predictions
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2008, 09:44:26 PM »
Looks like acceleration to me.
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Re: Predictions
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2008, 09:51:26 PM »
Acceleration due to gravitation?
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Re: Predictions
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2008, 09:52:44 PM »
Only if you're generically using gravitation to mean two objects coming together.
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Re: Predictions
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2008, 12:45:54 AM »
It looks like gravity to me.
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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2008, 01:55:35 AM »
What's elegant about FE acceleration? The fact that it is just as mysterious as RE acceleration? Yes!

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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2008, 12:20:06 PM »
The questions still begs: has FE theory predicted anything that contradicts RE theory? Can it do so?

For example, can it predict solar eclipses? I know RE theory can and has.
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Re: Predictions
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2008, 06:15:26 PM »
The questions still begs: has FE theory predicted anything that contradicts RE theory? Can it do so?

For example, can it predict solar eclipses? I know RE theory can and has.
No it can't.  Is it the dark object that causes eclipses in FE?  I can't remember the name.

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2008, 06:20:59 PM »
The questions still begs: has FE theory predicted anything that contradicts RE theory? Can it do so?

For example, can it predict solar eclipses? I know RE theory can and has.
No it can't.  Is it the dark object that causes eclipses in FE?  I can't remember the name.

That would be the Shadow Object.
Of course, I always could just be an idiot.

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2008, 07:31:31 PM »
The questions still begs: has FE theory predicted anything that contradicts RE theory? Can it do so?

For example, can it predict solar eclipses? I know RE theory can and has.
No it can't.  Is it the dark object that causes eclipses in FE?  I can't remember the name.

Actually, eclipses tend to be cyclic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_cycle
http://www.idialstars.com/osec.htm
http://www.phys.uu.nl/~vgent/eclipse/eclipsecycles.htm

As it turns out, some FE cultures did a pretty decent job of figuring some of these cycles out.
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Re: Predictions
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2008, 08:07:34 PM »
The questions still begs: has FE theory predicted anything that contradicts RE theory? Can it do so?

For example, can it predict solar eclipses? I know RE theory can and has.
No it can't.  Is it the dark object that causes eclipses in FE?  I can't remember the name.

That would be the Shadow Object.
Ahh yes, thank you for refreshing my memory :D

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2008, 08:54:52 PM »
The questions still begs: has FE theory predicted anything that contradicts RE theory? Can it do so?
Changing your argument?


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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2008, 04:51:06 AM »
The questions still begs: has FE theory predicted anything that contradicts RE theory? Can it do so?
Changing your argument?

Originally, I asked if FE could make any testable predictions, but all I got was "drop something to the ground". So I requested something that contradicts RE theory.

Scientific theories always make testable predictions and the good ones get them right. If FE theory manage to do anything like that, I'd take it more seriously.

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« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2008, 05:56:42 AM »
Originally, I asked if FE could make any testable predictions, but all I got was "drop something to the ground". So I requested something that contradicts RE theory.
Right, you got a well defined answer to your question.  Not expecting this, you had to change your argument.

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Scientific theories always make testable predictions and the good ones get them right. If FE theory manage to do anything like that, I'd take it more seriously.
The FE predicts that an object released from rest will accelerate towards the Earth at a rate of 9.8m/s^2.  So far, that's been pretty good.
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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2008, 06:21:50 AM »
Did you even read my last post? The theory of gravity also predicts that an object will fall to earth at 9.8ms^-2. How about something that contradicts RE theory?

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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2008, 06:39:55 AM »
I suppose we should bear the differences between the FE model gravity and the RE theory gravity in mind. The FE model suggests that the apparent force should be constant across the entire planet, potentially with a wave of increased/decreased force reaching from one side of the planet through the North pole to the other, and rotating approximately once every 12 hours to cause the effect of tides (Although a reliable explanation as to what drives the tides has never been agreed on, as far as I can tell).

In RE theory, gravity is present in all objects. The apparent force of gravity should vary from place to place on the planets surface, due to the differing densities of the rocks below and around us. Variations would also be caused by celestial objects, large enough or close enough to have an influence on the planet, resulting in the tides. All celestial objects should also exhibit an apparent attractive force, i.e. objects should be able to orbit or fall towards the Sun, moon or other planets and stars.

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« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2008, 08:10:24 AM »
but to the human eye it looks the same

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« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2008, 08:41:45 AM »
Did you even read my last post? The theory of gravity also predicts that an object will fall to earth at 9.8ms^-2. How about something that contradicts RE theory?
When I look out the window from my multi-storey office, the horizen is flat. How about that?
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