Ghosts

Quote from: crazy96863 on August 17, 2008, 10:29:08 PM

Whether you are religous or not, there are things out there that are greater than ourselves.

"Greater" in what respect? Intelligence? Mass? Energy? What?

prepare, to be amazed, no really... this shit is whack...
now, you CAN, just say its made up and bull if you want, but I do assure you that both are very real.

http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/research_emoto.htm
water will never be that same to you again.

http://www.istpp.org/pdf/Shift-PoweroftheCollective.pdf
dont make fun of people who meditate, they know shit man, lol.

this is JUST 2 of many things which are NEAR unexplainable, but rest assuered there are people working to understand these beautiful phenomena.


on another note, yes, I do believe in ghosts, the most common form of spirit captured on film is an "orb" it apears as a white ball of light in photographs taken on DIGITAL film, I dont know why only digital, so please dont shoot me down for not knowing... Im working on it... Im working on alot actually. Look them up if you want to know more, they are EVERYWHERE.

   -Liam

prepare, to be amazed, no really... this shit is whack...
now, you CAN, just say its made up and bull if you want, but I do assure you that both are very real.

http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/research_emoto.htm
water will never be that same to you again.

http://www.istpp.org/pdf/Shift-PoweroftheCollective.pdf
dont make fun of people who meditate, they know shit man, lol.

I'm not surprised that the only thing you can do is assure us it is real. I assure you that they're not.

this is JUST 2 of many things which are NEAR unexplainable, but rest assuered there are people working to understand these beautiful phenomena.

No, the phenomena hasn't even been shown to exist (except in the mind of nutbags) which means that only idiots are trying to explain them.

on another note, yes, I do believe in ghosts, the most common form of spirit captured on film is an "orb" it apears as a white ball of light in photographs taken on DIGITAL film, I dont know why only digital, so please dont shoot me down for not knowing... Im working on it... Im working on alot actually. Look them up if you want to know more, they are EVERYWHERE.

   -Liam

It's amazing that this is "on another note" considering that this is what the thread's about.

It's already been decided that they're not ghosts but actually the emoticons of the gods - everybody knows that. It's so unfortunate that you've been mislead to believe that they are ghosts rather than the truth (emoticons of the gods). What made you believe that they're ghosts and not emoticons (or interdimensional beings for that matter)? I won't bother polluting this with the suggestion that they're tiny particles, insects or lens flare - who cares if people can repeatedly recreate "orbs" with various techniques, obviously these techniques just entice the gods to shower us with emoticons.

Seriously though, what was it that made you go from "there's a white circle in my photo" to "that white circle in my photo is a ghost"? There's so many other questions but that's really the only one I think you may be able to answer.

Hold on... is this another Narc alt?

"It's amazing that this is "on another note" considering that this is what the thread's about."

yup, sorry about that, I supose that was worded wrong, but I still gave the info, which is the point. Had I been awear you were grading it as an essay, perhaps I'd have tried hared... I figured in an internet forum, proper English was pretty good considder what you'll find in most places on the net... futhur more, the post was directed at the guy who replied to another stating that there is NOT things in teh universe that we just "dont understand". I think there is, so I posted info on it, if you dont want to read it, or dont believe it, thats for you. I'm perticulily interested in the meditation experiment myself, world changing stuff. I dont know about you, but I think the world could do with a bit less crime... (I hope you agree with the final sentence)

"It's already been decided that they're not ghosts but actually the emoticons of the gods - everybody knows that. It's so unfortunate that you've been mislead to believe that they are ghosts rather than the truth (emoticons of the gods). What made you believe that they're ghosts and not emoticons (or interdimensional beings for that matter)? I won't bother polluting this with the suggestion that they're tiny particles, insects or lens flare - who cares if people can repeatedly recreate "orbs" with various techniques, obviously these techniques just entice the gods to shower us with emoticons."

Oh, you have your own theory, that's good, its a pitty you didn't at ALL back it up, with... anything...
And my answer comes in 2 throngs
1. i DONT know that they are ghosts, and to be honest, I dont think anyone truely understnds these beings yet.
2. reason i THINK they are spirits: my family photo. My grandfather passed away some years back now, and every Christmas our family gets together. In our photo we took, there's a sort of "space" where an extra person could have been standing amoungst the croud, and in it, A bright light shining out. Now, this doesnt PROVE anything, but it's the reason I THINK they are spirits or "ghosts". Though, to be honest, Id put ghosts under a more of an unnatural state. Whenever people have "comunicated" with them, they always seem to be destressed about something. Of course, if your a septic, than its easy to say "media hype" etc.

"Seriously though, what was it that made you go from "there's a white circle in my photo" to "that white circle in my photo is a ghost"? There's so many other questions but that's really the only one I think you may be able to answer."

I've half answerd that question already, but I will continue. Was watching a ghost hunting program (based in New Zealand, where I live. They travel around famous NZ sites and take footage, investigate etc. good program, sometimes they found almost nothing, sometimes alot more, good to see that it wasnt just hyped). One episode they actually filmed an orb making its way down a hall way following one of the crew. Who, btw, had no idea, was kinda funny. Again, this doesnt prove, but I feel that the idea that its an emotion, or just a white "dot" in a photo, harder to belive, (perticulily the idea taht its just a lense flare or some shit).

   -Liam
Science doenst prove, it only prevokes thought.

Again, they're the emoticons of the gods (emoticons not emotions. these things:      ).

As for your grandfather and the white light, that was just one of the myriad of gods putting a lol emoticon on your photos as a way of saying "hahaha got the bastard". Look at that I've now backed up my theory just as much as yours.

If somebody gave a non paranormal explanation for the "orb" following the crew would you believe it? I doubt it, even if they managed to replicate it exactly you'd probably say "sure you can replicate it exactly but that doesn't mean the original one wasn't a being of some sort."

So we at least agree that its paranormal shit?
I supose thats a start, would be nice to have an aeithiest (mind my crap spelling) arguing here to actually.
Emotocons of Gods? gee, I dont know what to say to that, that's an interesting theory.
You actually said "everyone knows that" about it too, obviously not meant litteral (because I did't know, so unless you argue I'm no one, which you might, lol) but you seem to be saying that you have enough evidence to convince beond reasonable doubt?
If yes, then I'd LOVE to see what stuff you have, these "orbs" intrest me alot.
If no, what the hell are you talking about? lol

That which looks like an orb CAN be recreated, and many people who think they have them on film actually dont. I'm far from an expert on them, but there are way of telling the difference between these orbs and other things that look like them on film (pollen and dust).

   -Liam

So we at least agree that its paranormal shit?
I supose thats a start, would be nice to have an aeithiest (mind my crap spelling) arguing here to actually.
Emotocons of Gods? gee, I dont know what to say to that, that's an interesting theory.
You actually said "everyone knows that" about it too, obviously not meant litteral (because I did't know, so unless you argue I'm no one, which you might, lol) but you seem to be saying that you have enough evidence to convince beond reasonable doubt?
If yes, then I'd LOVE to see what stuff you have, these "orbs" intrest me alot.
If no, what the hell are you talking about? lol

That which looks like an orb CAN be recreated, and many people who think they have them on film actually dont. I'm far from an expert on them, but there are way of telling the difference between these orbs and other things that look like them on film (pollen and dust).

   -Liam

Of course it's paranormal - the fact that it's got a perfect natural explanation is just stupid. I told you my evidence, it was your evidence that you were just interpreting incorrectly.

So how can you tell the difference between orbs and other things that look like them?

Why are you all still talking about this?  Ghosts do not exist.

sorry, I can't answer that question personlly as Im not very knowledgeable about the techneques, but there are thing u can find. I did once find a good website done by someone that had alot of pics of real and non-real orbs, pointing out the differences. I suspect yo can find it with google. Sorry I cant be of much more help.
   -Liam

sorry, I can't answer that question personlly as Im not very knowledgeable about the techneques, but there are thing u can find. I did once find a good website done by someone that had alot of pics of real and non-real orbs, pointing out the differences. I suspect yo can find it with google. Sorry I cant be of much more help.
   -Liam

99.9% of orbs are dust and lint flared up from a light source (ir light does this also) they appear as orbs because they are as close range and the camera isn't focused on them. I have forced "orb" photos to demonstrate this in the past, they are not paranormal.

"There's nothing in this orb's pockets 'cept dust and lint..."

Ghosts do not exist.

holy ghost exists idiot I've seen ghosts too

I doubt Ghosts in the typical sense we have come to classify them as probably don't exist. As for other energy spectrums which we have no discovered yet... Of course there is more which we haven't found yet. To think otherwise would be asinine...

This is an interesting phenominon... I am not sure which energy spectrum it is... or if it exists at all...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hum

This "hum" thing might just be an oddball myth... not really sure yet...

if you look at the equation e=mc^2 it is clearly possible that there are ghosts moving around but cannot be seen. This is explained with planks constant.

Okay. Explain it with Planck's constant.

if you look at the equation e=mc^2 it is clearly possible that there are ghosts moving around but cannot be seen. This is explained with planks constant.

2.71828182846... = mc²

Quote from: Johannes Kepler on October 01, 2008, 10:03:43 AM

if you look at the equation e=mc^2 it is clearly possible that there are ghosts moving around but cannot be seen. This is explained with planks constant.

2.71828182846... = mc²

Im not quite sure were you get 2.71828182846... = mc² but here is how i interpreted his theory

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Using the two equations E = m * c² and E = h * v (whereas h is Planck's constant and v is frequency)
you can get this equality:  hv = mc² (h and c are both constants that we know)

6.6260689*10^-34*v= (2.99797458*10⁸)²*m
6.6260689*10^-34*v= 8.987851582*10¹⁶*m
v/m = 1.356437978*10⁵⁰
or
v = 1.356437978*10⁵⁰*m


so according to "kepler's" theory frequency divided by mass should be 13,564,379,780,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

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If your one of those people who believes that ghosts don't have mass then apparently ghost don't have frequency either... I was under the impression that if it didn't have matter that it had to have frequency or it doesn't exist...

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For everyone else who believes ghosts have some matter this equation works if ghosts have an very tiny amount of mass yet have a really high frequency which can explain why we can't see them. This also explains why cameras can capture a blur of a ghost, because cameras freeze the image, but ghosts' mass is so insignificant and its frequency is so high that it is already going to be transluscent and it will move faster than the camera, the reason why ghost pictures are never very clear.

holy ghost exists idiot I've seen ghosts too

No they don't, and no you haven't.

Quote from: Johannes Kepler on October 01, 2008, 10:03:43 AM

if you look at the equation e=mc^2 it is clearly possible that there are ghosts moving around but cannot be seen. This is explained with planks constant.

2.71828182846... = mc²

haha i get it

Quote from: Johannes Kepler on October 01, 2008, 10:03:43 AM

if you look at the equation e=mc^2 it is clearly possible that there are ghosts moving around but cannot be seen. This is explained with planks constant.

2.71828182846... = mc²

Nice one. Too bad it's not really sig material.

Thanks TychoBC for proving that ghosts have mass.

We can find out precisely how much mass violet ghosts have as well from the equation

E= hc/λ

Since H and C are constant we only need to divide hc by the wavelength of violet.

We get

(6.6260689*10^-34 * 2.99797458*10^8) / (400*10^-9) =
4.9661965318821405e-19 Joules

Since we know that E=mc^2 we can now figure out the mass

4.9661965318821405e-19 J = Mass * (2.99797458*10^8 m/s)^2

Mass = 4.9661965318821405e-19 /  (2.99797458*10^8)^2
Mass of ghost with one photon = 5.5254e-36 kilograms

Now with mass and velocity (c) we are able to calculate the momentum of roaming ghosts with the assumption that ghosts are moving as electromagnetic waves...

p=m*v

p= 5.5254e-36 * 2.99797458*10^8 =

1.656e-27 N*S

This low momentum is probably why we don't notice very many ghosts.

This low momentum is probably why we don't notice very many ghosts.

wut?

let me state it like this

I=F*t

to make a ghost have no momentum one would need a apply a force of x for one second

for
(make negative because force and momentum are vector)

-1.656e-275 = F*T


-1.656e-27/1 = F

F= 1.656e-27 N for one second

at such low momentum it is like you are walking through air


and ghosts are operating at such a high frequency they are beyond what our eyes can see:

E=h*f

4.9661965318821405e-19 = 6.6260689*10e34 * f

4.9661965318821405e-19 / 6.6260689*10e34 = f

f = 7.49493645e15

t= 1/f

t = 1/7.49493645e15

t= 1.33423412816262104531*10^-16 seconds

a camera would have to capture that quickly. Todays cameras do not come close.

f = 7.49493645e15

So if I walk around with an ultraviolet(?) camera I should see a shitload of ghosts?  And what's this about slow cameras lol?

Well the wave in which the violet colored ghost is moving oscillates that many times a second.

The cameras are "slow" because the wave is occurring so fast the camera will only see a blur and not the actual wave. Since during the time a camera has to take a picture the wave will have oscillated thousands of times already.

With a UV camera I suspect you will see lots of ghost blurs if ghosts are around.  The data I have produced is for ghosts that happen to be colored violet so ghosts with a wavelength of about 400 nanometers. So pretty close to ultraviolet wavelengths... I pulled my wavelength data from a nasa page that said Violet is 400 nm... although nasa cannot be trusted...

Well if it's gone back and forth thousands of times in a second, wouldn't that leave the image of it being there almost all the time?  If you were to open the shutter on the camera, I'm sure you'll pick up the ghost no problem with it being there so often.  Especially if you were to leave the shutter open for longer than just a 'click'.  The camera doesn't need to be fast, it just needs enough light to record detail--similar to taking a picture of a planet and leaving the shutter open for hours to obtain a detailed image.  To me it sounds like taking a picture of a ghost would be pretty easy (provided there are ghosts to take pictures of).

Well if it's gone back and forth thousands of times in a second, wouldn't that leave the image of it being there almost all the time?  If you were to open the shutter on the camera, I'm sure you'll pick up the ghost no problem with it being there so often.  Especially if you were to leave the shutter open for longer than just a 'click'.  The camera doesn't need to be fast, it just needs enough light to record detail--similar to taking a picture of a planet and leaving the shutter open for hours to obtain a detailed image.  To me it sounds like taking a picture of a ghost would be pretty easy (provided there are ghosts to take pictures of).

but of course this requires that a ghost would have to stand in front of a camera long enough for you to get a clear picture, which probably won't happen, which is why mysterious blurs often show up in photographs

I'm sorry Kepler but your math is definitely off

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Using these 5 formulas:

whereas E is energy, h is Planck's constant, f is frequency, λ  is wavelength, c is the speed of light, v is the phase velocity, and T is the period, I combined all of these formulas to get one that worked for our needs.


we know c is the speed of light, so we can now find the frequency of any ghost if we know its wavelength and vice-versa.
So if we use your 400nm wavelength we can determine that frequency is about 4.9, but UV rays are only slightly outside the visible light spectrum, so if you were able to find a UV ghost you would have more of capturing a picture of it then other ghosts. We can then find that the mass of one of these ghosts is about 3.43 *10^-50 kg

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Anyway you guys are probably bored with all this math and stuff but anyway these procedures that ghosts exist with very little mass, move ridiculously fast and cannot be seen by the naked eye.

I'm sorry Kepler but your math is definitely off

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Using these 5 formulas:

E = hf
E = (h*c)/λ
λ = v/f
v = λ /T
T=1/f

whereas E is energy, h is Planck's constant, f is frequency, λ  is wavelength, c is the speed of light, v is the phase velocity, and T is the period, I combined all of these formulas to get one that worked for our needs.

f³/λ  = c

we know c is the speed of light, so we can now find the frequency of any ghost if we know its wavelength and vice-versa.
So if we use your 400nm wavelength we can determine that frequency is about 4.9, but UV rays are only slightly outside the visible light spectrum, so if you were able to find a UV ghost you would have more of capturing a picture of it then other ghosts. We can then find that the mass of one of these ghosts is about 3.43 *10^-50 kg

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Anyway you guys are probably bored with all this math and stuff but anyway these procedures that ghosts exist with very little mass, move ridiculously fast and cannot be seen by the naked eye.

Math doesn't lie... Apparently the Universe is only 13 billion years old too...

I acknowledge that my mass and momentum calculations were wrong. I have since fixed all the errors and I still disagree with you.

I would like to see how you calculated you mass equivalent differently then me.