Ghosts

If all our actions are predetermined intelligence is meaningless anyway.

Quote from: crazy96863 on August 17, 2008, 10:29:08 PM

Whether you are religous or not, there are things out there that are greater than ourselves.

"Greater" in what respect? Intelligence? Mass? Energy? What?

Quote from: Oscar Wilde on August 17, 2008, 11:57:53 PM

Quote from: crazy96863 on August 17, 2008, 10:29:08 PM

Whether you are religous or not, there are things out there that are greater than ourselves.

"Greater" in what respect? Intelligence? Mass? Energy? What?

I was refering to things that take a greater understanding than we are currently capable of. Such as: God, Higher Intelligence, Parallel Dimensions, Spirits, and infinite others. We can all argue either way on many of these topics but the truth is, there is no definitive proof as to existance, or lack there of. Lots of credible theory either way though.

Here's the way I look at it.  We can only see three demensions.  From what I understand scientists are theorizing that there are actually 10 demensions, 7 of which we cannot see.  Is it not possible that beings are caught in these other demensions and are here with us simutaneously (sp?)?
Now with them being in a higher demension I would assume that they could see us.  Maybe not, but hey it's an idea.  What if they have the power to show themselves in the demensions we are able to see. 
Someone please let me know if this is too far of a stretch.  I just try to look at everything from all possible angles.

Quote from: moonlit on August 19, 2008, 10:24:22 AM

Here's the way I look at it.  We can only see three demensions.  From what I understand scientists are theorizing that there are actually 10 demensions, 7 of which we cannot see.  Is it not possible that beings are caught in these other demensions and are here with us simutaneously (sp?)?
Now with them being in a higher demension I would assume that they could see us.  Maybe not, but hey it's an idea.  What if they have the power to show themselves in the demensions we are able to see. 
Someone please let me know if this is too far of a stretch.  I just try to look at everything from all possible angles.

LOL.  You really are a winner there rodeo.  You have nothing better to say than to insult me?  Obviously, this question wasn't meant for you as you seem to have no intelectual thoughts to add.


don't be dumb

Quote from: rodeoboy on August 19, 2008, 11:11:11 AM

Quote from: moonlit on August 19, 2008, 10:24:22 AM

Here's the way I look at it.  We can only see three demensions.  From what I understand scientists are theorizing that there are actually 10 demensions, 7 of which we cannot see.  Is it not possible that beings are caught in these other demensions and are here with us simutaneously (sp?)?
Now with them being in a higher demension I would assume that they could see us.  Maybe not, but hey it's an idea.  What if they have the power to show themselves in the demensions we are able to see. 
Someone please let me know if this is too far of a stretch.  I just try to look at everything from all possible angles.

LOL.  You really are a winner there rodeo.  You have nothing better to say than to insult me?  Obviously, this question wasn't meant for you as you seem to have no intelectual thoughts to add.


don't be dumb

Quote from: moonlit on August 19, 2008, 11:14:17 AM

Quote from: rodeoboy on August 19, 2008, 11:11:11 AM

Quote from: moonlit on August 19, 2008, 10:24:22 AM

Here's the way I look at it.  We can only see three demensions.  From what I understand scientists are theorizing that there are actually 10 demensions, 7 of which we cannot see.  Is it not possible that beings are caught in these other demensions and are here with us simutaneously (sp?)?
Now with them being in a higher demension I would assume that they could see us.  Maybe not, but hey it's an idea.  What if they have the power to show themselves in the demensions we are able to see. 
Someone please let me know if this is too far of a stretch.  I just try to look at everything from all possible angles.

LOL.  You really are a winner there rodeo.  You have nothing better to say than to insult me?  Obviously, this question wasn't meant for you as you seem to have no intelectual thoughts to add.


don't be dumb

Well your perspective is really stupid.... so it is basically calling for a degenerative comment

Quote from: rodeoboy on August 19, 2008, 11:18:59 AM

Quote from: moonlit on August 19, 2008, 11:14:17 AM

Quote from: rodeoboy on August 19, 2008, 11:11:11 AM

Quote from: moonlit on August 19, 2008, 10:24:22 AM

Here's the way I look at it.  We can only see three demensions.  From what I understand scientists are theorizing that there are actually 10 demensions, 7 of which we cannot see.  Is it not possible that beings are caught in these other demensions and are here with us simutaneously (sp?)?
Now with them being in a higher demension I would assume that they could see us.  Maybe not, but hey it's an idea.  What if they have the power to show themselves in the demensions we are able to see. 
Someone please let me know if this is too far of a stretch.  I just try to look at everything from all possible angles.

LOL.  You really are a winner there rodeo.  You have nothing better to say than to insult me?  Obviously, this question wasn't meant for you as you seem to have no intelectual thoughts to add.


don't be dumb

Well your perspective is really stupid.... so it is basically calling for a degenerative comment

I don't see how my perspective is stupid.  Simply because you don't believe in the possiblity of something that someone else does, doesn't make them dumb.  As far as I can tell, you're the dumb one.  I haven't seen one shred of inteligence come from anything you say here.

Here's the way I look at it.  We can only see three demensions.  From what I understand scientists are theorizing that there are actually 10 demensions, 7 of which we cannot see.

Is it not possible that beings are caught in these other demensions and are here with us simutaneously (sp?)?

Now with them being in a higher demension I would assume that they could see us. Maybe not, but hey it's an idea.

What if they have the power to show themselves in the demensions we are able to see. 
Someone please let me know if this is too far of a stretch.

I just try to look at everything from all possible angles.

LOL.  Geez you guys are tough. I was simply asking what if.  I didn't mean to sound dumb, just asking a question.  I did state that it may be too far of a stretch and I meant to explain to me and correct me where I was incorrect.  I'm always open to learn more about the things that intrest me, including physics.  I'm no genious and I don't presume to be and yes I do agree that I am a bit "ignorant" when it comes to these subjects.  As I stated in another thread my understanding of physics only goes as far as highschool and t.v.  I am intelligent enough to understand but did not have the education to teach me what I should know. 
Also, not knowing about a subject doesn't make you dumb it makes you ignorant.
It's having all the facts and still getting it wrong that makes you dumb.
Obviously, I don't have all the facts and never stated that I did.  The entire post was basically asking for someone to explain it to me.  But if it's too much of a hassel then please, don't bother.  I'm not here to be a pest, I would just like to know.

Quote from: moonlit on August 20, 2008, 06:28:24 AM

LOL.  Geez you guys are tough. I was simply asking what if.  I didn't mean to sound dumb, just asking a question.  I did state that it may be too far of a stretch and I meant to explain to me and correct me where I was incorrect.  I'm always open to learn more about the things that intrest me, including physics.  I'm no genious and I don't presume to be and yes I do agree that I am a bit "ignorant" when it comes to these subjects.  As I stated in another thread my understanding of physics only goes as far as highschool and t.v.  I am intelligent enough to understand but did not have the education to teach me what I should know. 
Also, not knowing about a subject doesn't make you dumb it makes you ignorant.
It's having all the facts and still getting it wrong that makes you dumb.
Obviously, I don't have all the facts and never stated that I did.  The entire post was basically asking for someone to explain it to me.  But if it's too much of a hassel then please, don't bother.  I'm not here to be a pest, I would just like to know.

Why?  For asking a question then trying to explain why I asked the question?  If no one wanted to answer all they had to do was NOT reply. 


If you don't want to be a pest, go away from this site.

LOL.  Geez you guys are tough. I was simply asking what if.  I didn't mean to sound dumb, just asking a question.  I did state that it may be too far of a stretch and I meant to explain to me and correct me where I was incorrect.  I'm always open to learn more about the things that intrest me, including physics.  I'm no genious and I don't presume to be and yes I do agree that I am a bit "ignorant" when it comes to these subjects.  As I stated in another thread my understanding of physics only goes as far as highschool and t.v.  I am intelligent enough to understand but did not have the education to teach me what I should know. 
Also, not knowing about a subject doesn't make you dumb it makes you ignorant.
It's having all the facts and still getting it wrong that makes you dumb.
Obviously, I don't have all the facts and never stated that I did.  The entire post was basically asking for someone to explain it to me.  But if it's too much of a hassel then please, don't bother.  I'm not here to be a pest, I would just like to know.

Quote from: moonlit on August 20, 2008, 06:28:24 AM

LOL.  Geez you guys are tough. I was simply asking what if.  I didn't mean to sound dumb, just asking a question.  I did state that it may be too far of a stretch and I meant to explain to me and correct me where I was incorrect.  I'm always open to learn more about the things that intrest me, including physics.  I'm no genious and I don't presume to be and yes I do agree that I am a bit "ignorant" when it comes to these subjects.  As I stated in another thread my understanding of physics only goes as far as highschool and t.v.  I am intelligent enough to understand but did not have the education to teach me what I should know. 
Also, not knowing about a subject doesn't make you dumb it makes you ignorant.
It's having all the facts and still getting it wrong that makes you dumb.
Obviously, I don't have all the facts and never stated that I did.  The entire post was basically asking for someone to explain it to me.  But if it's too much of a hassel then please, don't bother.  I'm not here to be a pest, I would just like to know.

I totally agree that there's a difference between being dumb and being ignorant and I think you were being dumb. It's not because you were ignorant of the theory, it's because you went and made speculations about it without having a single clue what it's about - that's dumb (much like my other examples).

Here's a quick question: can you explain to me why some physicists think there's 10 dimensions?

If the question is no then I really, really, really want you to ask how do you justify referencing that theory with your speculations? Why did you not just say, "Isn't it possible that there's another dimension that ghosts could exist in?"

More over what do you hope to obtain by asking such a question? Do you think that just because you have an idea it makes it reasonable and worth discussing?

What did you think about my idea involving ghost dogs?

Ok.  I agree that I should have phrased my question differently.  So I'll ask.  Isn't it possible that there is another dimension that ghosts could exist in?  That's exactly what I wanted to know.  Nothing more. I only brought up the "10 Dimensions" because I had heard someone talk about it before.  I never said I fully understood it.  I only made an assumption from the information I had.  I don't go around pretending to know everything that I talk about.  I like to talk about it because talking about it helps me understand it.  If I don't then I just go around not knowing anything.  It's called learning.
As for Ghost Dogs...That's really nice I'm glad your way of explanation has to include insulting the person who asked a question.  Really, why do you feel the need to call me stupid?  I'm not incapable of learning.  As I stated earlier I can understand it as long as it's explained to me.  So please, if you know so much about it, explain. Otherwise, there's no point in you even responding to my post.

I certainly am glad that you stopped trying to muster up any validity to your idea by tacking it on to some scientific theory (kudos for using string theory, it's usually quantum theory that cops all the kooks). But unfortunately you're question's still useless, what do you hope to achieve by it? What do you define as a possiblity and what do you define as an impossibility. Do you see something as possible just because there's nothing that says it couldn't happen?

Isn't it possible that there's actually beings that exist in our very own dimension that we cannot see because "visible" light passes straight through them and we cannot hear them because they use extremely high frequency noises and that the only evidence of them is how they fill people's brains with junk?

I think the main thing I want to stress here is what does establishing something as a "possibility" achieve in your mind?

I guess you could say I believe that nothing is impossible but I do believe many things are improbable.  I guess I would like to know what other people think of the possibility.  Is it something they can give a little push to by some form of evidence or is it something they think no evidence exists for?  Do they believe all evidence found is fraud or simply a symptom of so called "insanity"?  I like to ask these questions just for the general purpose of knowing where most people stand on the subject.  I belive it's possible and slightly probable that ghosts do, infact, exist but I have no evidence to back it up.  Therefore, I don't know if they exist but I think they could and probably do.

I saw something once that could not be explained except by a "sleeping disorder" that I have never officially been diagnosed with.  I had a doctor tell me it was stress and another tell me it was all in my imagination.  As far as I know I'm pretty good at keeping my imagination and realities seperate.  This was the only case I'd ever witnessed something like that and I don't understand it and would very much like to.  I guess that's the real reason I asked the question.  I'm trying to come up with answers for why I saw what I saw.  So far no one has given me anything I think is worth considering.  The closest was the sleeping disorder (sleep paralysis) idea.  I've had problems in the past and have seen and heard things that weren't there with my eyes wide open.  The only problem is I knew I was projecting my dreams into my room but in the other case I don't feel that way.  I don't know.  Maybe it's a case of I only hear what I want to because I think the idea of something else is so much more interesting.

Right, first of all you do have evidence (no doubt people will try and argue with me and say that you don't). That experience is evidence... of something. It very well could be that that it's evidence that you're nuts but I'm sure there's many other hypotheses we could generate that could explain the phenomenon (lets see: ghosts, angels, transdimensional aliens, god, the devil, your mind developing psychic powers - was there anything in particular that made you think it's ghosts?). A lot of these hypotheses could be seen to be "possible" but generally aren't that testable.

I think though you hit the hammer on the head when you said, "...I think the idea of something else is so much more interesting." I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that even without these experiences and no other evidence you'd think ghosts "probably" exist. I reckon you just like to have fun with your imagination and come up with "possibilities" - I do too and sometimes even write stories about some of the ideas (though I don't tend to believe in them).

If what I've said has been fairly accurate I'd say you'd have a lot of fun on these forums arguing from a FE perspective (you could come up with a complete history of the conspiracy, a better motivation and loads of things).

Well, I like to think I'm not nuts so lets say that's not the case just for the sake of my family.  LOL

As for why I chose ghosts.  I don't know really.  It was the first thing that had popped into my mind.  My mother and aunt had both witnessed things in the home that were unexplainable.  In all three cases we were around 9 or 10 years old and have had trouble convincing people that we aren't lying.  I have no reason to lie about it unless I enjoy being ridiculed.  And I only believe in ghosts because of the evidence that is out there.  Otherwise, I'd say it's a crazy idea.  If no one had an experience then why would I believe it.  Of course, people have said that they have had experiences with "God" and I still don't believe he/it exists.  But, that's another thought for a different thread.

As far as arguing from the FE perspective, well that would probably be a lot of fun.  But, I don't want to sound like I believe it when I truthfully don't.  At least I don't believe it yet.  I think once again that it's possible, but improbable.

Quote from: crazy96863 on August 18, 2008, 11:24:01 PM

Quote from: Oscar Wilde on August 17, 2008, 11:57:53 PM

Quote from: crazy96863 on August 17, 2008, 10:29:08 PM

Whether you are religous or not, there are things out there that are greater than ourselves.

"Greater" in what respect? Intelligence? Mass? Energy? What?

I was refering to things that take a greater understanding than we are currently capable of. Such as: God, Higher Intelligence, Parallel Dimensions, Spirits, and infinite others. We can all argue either way on many of these topics but the truth is, there is no definitive proof as to existance, or lack there of. Lots of credible theory either way though.

Using higher intelligence as an example as something greater crazy96863 I think he's completely justified in his belief that there's things greater than himself.

Using the broad definition of "things that we don't yet understand" then I'd agree there's a lot that we don't understand as individuals or as a species. Of course I think it's always better to look for an explanation rather than saying, "Thor causes thunder by whacking things with his hammer."

Question: how can you prove that ghosts/spirits/gods don't exist?

Can't prove it either way. Kinda like bigfoot and aliens I guess.

Can't prove it either way. Kinda like bigfoot and aliens I guess.

Really? You can't prove these things either way?

Quote from: Tai Lung on August 25, 2008, 04:39:07 AM

Really? You can't prove these things either way?

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BTW I just watched Kung Fu Panda again on a flight from Hawaii to Atlanta.  My favorite line "But he's a panda, you're a panda, what are you going to do big guy, sit on me?"  Funny stuff.

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