It's Round- Yet More PROOF

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It's Round- Yet More PROOF
« on: June 05, 2008, 10:02:33 PM »
I would like to hear some explanation to these phenomena. All of these observations point to a Round Earth. If these things happen, therefore, then the Earth is round. Please read:

If you climb higher, you can see further.  On top of a mountain or
lighthouse, or in an airplane, you can see things that are invisible
-- below the horizon -- when you are on the ground.  For example, if
you watch the Sun set, and at the very moment when the Sun is just
below the horizon you climb quickly up a hundred feet, you will see
the Sun again.  It is hard to explain why you can see further when you
climb higher unless the Earth's surface curves downward away from you
wherever you stand.

The Earth casts a shadow on the Moon during a lunar eclipse.  The
shadow is round.

If you travel North, you can see stars at night which you never
saw before.  Since there are so many stars, you only need to travel a
hundred miles or so.  The new stars are stars that were hidden below
the horizon before you walked North.  How could this be true if the
Earth were flat?

There are tides in the oceans, which you can see at the shore,
that repeat every 24 hours or so.  If the Earth were flat, then there
would be no tides, because the tides depend on their being a
substantial distance between the near and far sides of the Earth, from
the point of view of the Moon.

If you were to put a stick in the ground sticking straight up at noon
in New York City, then telephone a friend in Chicago to ask him to
also put a stick in the ground sticking straight up, he would see a
shadow, and you would not.  This is hard to explain unless ``straight
up'' (away from the Earth's surface) points in different directions
when you are at different places on the Earth's surface.  That is, the
Earth is not flat.

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Re: It's Round- Yet More PROOF
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2008, 10:14:05 PM »
Q. Why can I see farther then I ascend in altitude?

A. When you ascend in altitude you are changing your perspective lines in relation to the object the earth. You are pushing your vanishing point back. The higher up you go the farther you will see before your sight is lost to perspective. The same is reversely true for celestial bodies. The higher up they are, the longer it will take them to recede to a point where they are beyond your perspective.

Ask yourself; can you see farther if you kneel down and lay your head right against the pavement, or can you see farther from the top of a skyscraper?

As you increase your altitude you are broadening your perspective lines in relation to the earth, causing a greater length the earth must recede until it ascends to eye level with the observer. The horizon is always at eye level with the observer, from the coast of a beach to the summit of Mt. Everest. Perspective causes everything to merge into the eye level horizon. When you increase your altitude you are changing the altitude of your eye, looking at the lands beyond your previous vanishing point. It takes a greater length of land for the earth to ascend to your new eye level.


Q. What causes the Lunar Eclipse?

A. The Shadow Object causes a round shadow to manifest upon the moon as the body intersects the light between the sun and moon.  Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham has described the Shadow Object as a satellite of the sun. Its orbital plane is tilted at an angle of about 510' to the sun's orbital plane, making eclipses possible only when the three bodies (Sun, Object, and Moon) are aligned and when the moon is crossing the sun's orbital plane (at a point called the node). Within a given year, considering the orbitals of these celestial bodies, a maximum of three lunar eclipses can occur. Despite the fact that there are more solar than lunar eclipses each year, over time many more lunar eclipses are seen at any single location on earth than solar eclipses. This occurs because a lunar eclipse can be seen from the entire half of the earth beneath the moon at that time, while a solar eclipse is visible only along a narrow path on the earth's surface.

Total lunar eclipses come in clusters. There can be two or three during a period of a year or a year and a half, followed by a lull of two or three years before another round begins. When you add partial eclipses there can be three in a calendar year and again, it's quite possible to have none at all.

The Shadow Object is never seen because it closely orbits the sun. As the sun's powerful vertical rays hit the atmosphere they will scatter and blot out nearly every single star and celestial body in the sky. We are never given a glimpse of the celestial bodies which appear near the sun - they are completely washed out by the sun's light.

Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham estimates the Shadow Object to be a few miles in diameter. Since it is very close to the sun the manifestation of its penumbra upon the moon appears as a magnified projection. This is similar to how during a shadow puppet show your hand's shadow can make a large magnified projection upon your bedroom wall as you move it closer to the flashlight.

For equations on finding the time, magnitude, and duration of the Lunar Eclipse please see Chapter 11 of Earth Not a Globe.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2008, 10:37:34 PM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: It's Round- Yet More PROOF
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2008, 10:17:40 PM »
For the shadow on the moon:

Plates cast round shadows, and they are, for all intents and purposes, flat.

For the two sticks and their shadows:

Put two water bottles on the floor in a dark room and shine a flashlight (the spotlight sun) on one of them. You'll see that the other bottle has a shadow on the opposite side of the light. Wow

(The room is dark so you can see the shadows better)

As far as climbing a mountain and seeing farther...:

Isn't the atmosphere denser at a lower altitude? Then, wouldn't the denser air have more air particles to distort and block the light reflecting off of the far away objects? Whereas, if you moved up enough, you'd be surrounded by less dense air, letting the light travel farther unaltered.
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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2008, 10:22:19 PM »
That is why RE science has a hard time gaining converts unless they are conditioned from birth.
"Never think you can turn over any old falsehood without a terrible squirming of the horrid little population that dwells under it." -O.W. Holmes "Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne.."

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Re: It's Round- Yet More PROOF
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2008, 10:25:59 PM »
Q. Why do the stars change position when you travel Southward?

A. In the Flat Earth model the stars are 3,000 miles above the surface of the earth. When you travel Northward or Southward you are changing your perspective in relation to the stars. As you travel Southward the North Star will appear to descend in altitude while the southern constellations will appear to ascend in altitude.

As for why the stars do not pile up at the horizon line, the answer to that question is that the atmosphere of the earth is not perfectly transparent.


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If you were to put a stick in the ground sticking straight up at noon
in New York City, then telephone a friend in Chicago to ask him to
also put a stick in the ground sticking straight up, he would see a
shadow, and you would not.  This is hard to explain unless ``straight
up'' (away from the Earth's surface) points in different directions
when you are at different places on the Earth's surface.  That is, the
Earth is not flat.

This scenario is completely incorrect. Since the sun's rays are vertical overhead at noon and horizontal when near evening, the stick would cast a long shadow in Chicago.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2008, 10:46:38 PM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: It's Round- Yet More PROOF
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2008, 10:30:00 PM »

If you were to put a stick in the ground sticking straight up at noon
in New York City, then telephone a friend in Chicago to ask him to
also put a stick in the ground sticking straight up, he would see a
shadow, and you would not.  This is hard to explain unless ``straight
up'' (away from the Earth's surface) points in different directions
when you are at different places on the Earth's surface.  That is, the
Earth is not flat.


Go ahead and perform this amazing experiment and report back to us.  I predict the guy in NYC will see a shadow falling north of his stick.  Hurrah, another victory for flat earth!

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Re: It's Round- Yet More PROOF
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2008, 02:38:31 AM »
If you were to put a stick in the ground sticking straight up at noon
in New York City, then telephone a friend in Chicago to ask him to
also put a stick in the ground sticking straight up, he would see a
shadow, and you would not.  This is hard to explain unless ``straight
up'' (away from the Earth's surface) points in different directions
when you are at different places on the Earth's surface.

You do realise that when people say the earth is round they mean a sphere and not a cylinder don't you?

Also, perhaps you should think about what would happen in a flat earth when the light isn't coming in parallel to itself but radiating out from a source in the sky only 32miles wide.

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Re: It's Round- Yet More PROOF
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2008, 04:48:46 AM »
It's odd, because We Flat Earth advocates like to think of the earth as a cylinder, but not in the way our OP is thinking...
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Re: It's Round- Yet More PROOF
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2008, 06:41:27 PM »
For the shadow on the moon:

Plates cast round shadows, and they are, for all intents and purposes, flat.

For the two sticks and their shadows:

Put two water bottles on the floor in a dark room and shine a flashlight (the spotlight sun) on one of them. You'll see that the other bottle has a shadow on the opposite side of the light. Wow

(The room is dark so you can see the shadows better)

As far as climbing a mountain and seeing farther...:

Isn't the atmosphere denser at a lower altitude? Then, wouldn't the denser air have more air particles to distort and block the light reflecting off of the far away objects? Whereas, if you moved up enough, you'd be surrounded by less dense air, letting the light travel farther unaltered.

this is true...although the earth is round...it could also be flat...wow...i was just converted into a FEer by reading everything.  it is so like logical

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Re: It's Round- Yet More PROOF
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2008, 06:43:14 PM »
You used "like" as an adjective, we don't want you.
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Re: It's Round- Yet More PROOF
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2008, 06:48:06 PM »
You used "like" as an adjective, we don't want you.

well too bad...im stayin...and i take back what i said...its not like logical tht the earth is flat

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Re: It's Round- Yet More PROOF
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2008, 06:50:19 PM »
As long as you don't argue for FE with your "like"ing, I couldn't care less.
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

Re: It's Round- Yet More PROOF
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2008, 06:51:36 PM »
As long as you don't argue for FE with your "like"ing, I couldn't care less.

well ur just shit...i don't care what the fuck u think about any of the like shit like tht like fe shit like arguing shit like like like inlogicall shit about the like fet

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Re: It's Round- Yet More PROOF
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2008, 06:55:24 PM »
Well you're just shit. I don't care what you think about anything. The FE is correct, and I love Samuel Rowbotham and your good self for enlightening myself.

Fix'd and I'm flattered.
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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2008, 06:56:00 PM »
It's a fine day for a banning.
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« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2008, 06:56:41 PM »
come on...i dare u

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« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2008, 06:59:53 PM »
"For your own sake, as well as for that of our beloved country, be bold and firm against error and evil of every kind." - David Wardlaw Scott, Terra Firma 1901

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Re: It's Round- Yet More PROOF
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2008, 06:41:15 AM »
Did you ban him?
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

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Re: It's Round- Yet More PROOF
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2008, 07:07:50 AM »
It's almost like they think they won't get banned if they act tough...
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« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2008, 07:43:44 AM »
They don't believe in dogplatter, so he can't hurt them. That isn't why, but he can still ban them.
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« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2008, 01:59:35 PM »
Did you ban him?

I actually gave him a 7-day ban right after my "fine day" post, then I came back and saw the response he'd managed to slip in before I did, and then I changed it to an infinite ban.
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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2008, 10:51:16 PM »
Watch out, Dogplatter's about!
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« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2008, 10:29:01 AM »
He'll use his Ra avatar and rip your heart out!
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