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MessiahOfFire

I've been in a...
« on: June 02, 2008, 08:32:40 PM »
Car, and I accelerated OH SO SLIGHTLY! And guess what. I felt the SLIGHT acceleration. Which puts me in the belief that if I cannot feel it, its not happening. I feel my self being slightly pulled to the ground, especially when I jump. I DO NOT feel acceleration though, AT ALL. Like I said, I was in my car, I accelerated OH, OH OH so slightly, and I felt it. If our earth is accelerating so fast, I would feel it.

Which concludes: We are not accelerating. Merely, a force of gravitation is holding us down.
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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2008, 08:36:52 PM »
Quote from: MessiahOfFire on June 02, 2008, 08:32:40 PM
Car, and I accelerated OH SO SLIGHTLY! And guess what. I felt the SLIGHT acceleration. Which puts me in the belief that if I cannot feel it, its not happening.
Can you feel the Earth orbiting the Sun?  No? 


Another victory for FE!
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MessiahOfFire

Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2008, 08:46:08 PM »
The feeling of acceleration, and the rotating around the sun has nothing to do with each other.

If a plane is accelerating, and I am on it, I will feel it.

EXAMPLE: Elevator. I feel it EVERY TIME when it goes up. And its going up MUCH slower then what FE says the earth is accelerating at.

If I was in a room with no windows, and it was orbiting a certain point, I would not feel it because it would not be as defined as accelerating up.
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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2008, 08:49:25 PM »
Quote from: MessiahOfFire on June 02, 2008, 08:46:08 PM
The feeling of acceleration, and the rotating around the sun has nothing to do with each other.
Learn some physics, noob.

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If a plane is accelerating, and I am on it, I will feel it.
I would hope so.

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EXAMPLE: Elevator. I feel it EVERY TIME when it goes up. And its going up MUCH slower then what FE says the earth is accelerating at.
So you do feel acceleration?  Uh, that's normal. 

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If I was in a room with no windows, and it was orbiting a certain point, I would not feel it because it would not be as defined as accelerating up.
It sure could be.
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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2008, 08:51:45 PM »
Quote from: MessiahOfFire on June 02, 2008, 08:32:40 PM
If our earth is accelerating so fast, I would feel it.

You float? Kick ass. I didn't think it was possible...
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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2008, 08:52:24 PM »
Quote from: MessiahOfFire on June 02, 2008, 08:46:08 PM
The feeling of acceleration, and the rotating around the sun has nothing to do with each other.
If I didn't like my sig so much, this gem would be replacing it!
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MessiahOfFire

Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2008, 08:54:18 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 02, 2008, 08:52:24 PM
Quote from: MessiahOfFire on June 02, 2008, 08:46:08 PM
The feeling of acceleration, and the rotating around the sun has nothing to do with each other.
If I didn't like my sig so much, this gem would be replacing it!

Ok. Tell me. What has the acceleration of the EARTH upwards have to do with us going around the sun in your FE theory?

Unless you got me wrong or something.
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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2008, 08:55:07 PM »
Quote from: MessiahOfFire on June 02, 2008, 08:32:40 PM
Which puts me in the belief that if I cannot feel it, its not happening.
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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2008, 10:34:12 PM »
Quote from: MessiahOfFire on June 02, 2008, 08:32:40 PM
I DO NOT feel acceleration though, AT ALL.

Yes you do.  That is whats holding you to the ground.
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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2008, 12:34:52 AM »
It's hard to even know where to begin, there's so much fail.
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MessiahOfFire

Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2008, 12:39:12 AM »
Quote from: lived_eht_asan on June 02, 2008, 10:34:12 PM
Quote from: MessiahOfFire on June 02, 2008, 08:32:40 PM
I DO NOT feel acceleration though, AT ALL.

Yes you do.  That is whats holding you to the ground.


Its not holding me to the ground. If the acceleration of the earth was the factor holding me down, I would feel it. I would feel this huge acceleration! I accelerated at a MASSIVELY slower rate in my car then what the FE says, and I 'felt' it. I don't feel it on earth, so I conclude that gravitation of mass is keeping me down...

If you guys/girls are so smart, what holds the atmosphere in? We are accelerating at such a HUGE speed at this time now (this earth has existed for so long, it must be going so so so fast by now) that the atmosphere would have now been flown away. The faster the earth travels, the more pressure on the atmosphere... It would have gotten to the point where it was too fast and the atmosphere flew away.

But because we have a constant and consistent (in other words, the gravitational pull been equal through out time) the atmosphere stays put. Its not been put under more and more pressure because the gravitation upon earth has been equal since time started.
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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2008, 12:40:24 AM »
So you don't feel the Earth pushing up on your feet?
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MessiahOfFire

Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2008, 12:42:23 AM »
Quote from: Kasroa Is Gone on June 03, 2008, 12:40:24 AM
So you don't feel the Earth pushing up on your feet?

Oh, definitely not! The most I feel is when I jump! I feel that when I am in the air, I am pulled back down!
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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2008, 12:49:01 AM »
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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2008, 12:54:01 AM »
Is this going to be another discussion that ends because one participant doesn't understand the difference between acceleration and velocity?
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MessiahOfFire

Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2008, 01:02:41 AM »
No, this thread is going to end because FE'rs have no understanding of gravitation. What? You believe there is a sun and moon 3000 miles above us, rotating in circles. What keeps them there, what causes them to move ever so slightly to cause seasons? I have so many questions, but they are too much to ask of from a FE'er, so I will keep them to my self and believe in what the majority believes in, thank you very much!

Try bringing FET to the public media, do you think they would believe you? NO!

What proof can you give to the public that will CONVINCE EVERYBODY that the earth is flat? None!

Are you going against Newton or Einstein? Jeeze, you must be smarter then them!
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MessiahOfFire

Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2008, 01:03:54 AM »
Thank you very much

/flat earth theory
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Kasroa Is Gone

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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2008, 01:09:39 AM »
Oh so now you're back-peddling? Well at least you admit you're wrong about the original post. /thread
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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2008, 01:18:03 AM »
You do know that gravity is equivalent to an accelerating force in physics, don't you?
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MessiahOfFire

Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2008, 01:20:00 AM »
Quote from: Wendigo on June 03, 2008, 01:18:03 AM
You do know that gravity is equivalent to an accelerating force in physics, don't you?

Of course. But what you may not understand is that the SPEED at which this earth must be traveling at (in FET) must be so high now, that it would alter 'terminal velocity'.

You are saying that if a jet plane was accelerating downwards, it would reach the same terminal velocity as an object just falling down, because of air resistance?

EDIT: You asshat :P
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Kasroa Is Gone

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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2008, 01:21:34 AM »
Okay you may as well read this too seeing as you clearly don't even know what the words you are using mean.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity
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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2008, 01:23:24 AM »
I'm glad there's a steady flow of these guys...
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MessiahOfFire

Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2008, 01:32:38 AM »
Did you read that wiki answer?

"terminal velocity when the downward force of gravity (Fg)equals the upward force of drag (Fd). The net force on the body is then zero, and the result is that the velocity of the object remains constant."

Which means, the gravitational pull of an object has a factor in TERMINAL VELOCITY. Fuck man!

Which means, if we are now traveling at such a high speed, things should be crashing into us with MASSIVE force!

"terminal velocity when the downward force of gravity (Fg)equals the upward force of drag (Fd). The net force on the body is then zero, and the result is that the velocity of the object remains constant."

IT IS TRUE WHEN GRAVITATION IS CONSTANT AND CONSISTENT, but not when we are continuously gaining speed!
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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2008, 01:34:21 AM »
At what rate of acceleration does a body fall to earth due to gravitation?
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MessiahOfFire

Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2008, 01:36:59 AM »
Sorry if my lack of physics cannot explain it properly, but you can see where I am getting at. Gravitation that RE experiences is different then what FE postulates. If we are constantly accelerating, it means we are constantly putting on speed. Obviously, if we gain enough speed, it would not only be air resistance that plays a factor in terminal velocity. The faster we go, the faster something will hit us. No matter how much atmosphere there is, if we are going as fast as FET thinks we are going, then air resistance will play a much smaller part in terminal velocity then gravitation would...

If I am incorrect, then sorry. And I would love for somebody that actually believes in FET to correct me, and tell me why I am wrong in thinking that the speed of this earth would factor in more then air resistance when something hits us.
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MessiahOfFire

Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2008, 01:39:33 AM »
Quote from: Ski on June 03, 2008, 01:34:21 AM
At what rate of acceleration does a body fall to earth due to gravitation?

In RE theory, the max a body can reach while within our atmosphere, falling towards earth is determined by terminal velocity. Because we have a constant force of gravitation that does not include acceleration.

In FE, because you are traveling at such a high speed by now (since the earth was created), terminal velocity would not really be much of a value... It would always be changing as the earth keeps going faster and faster.
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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2008, 01:45:55 AM »
Quote from: MessiahOfFire on June 03, 2008, 01:39:33 AM
Quote from: Ski on June 03, 2008, 01:34:21 AM
At what rate of acceleration does a body fall to earth due to gravitation?

In RE theory, the max a body can reach while within our atmosphere, falling towards earth is determined by terminal velocity. Because we have a constant force of gravitation that does not include acceleration.

In FE, because you are traveling at such a high speed by now (since the earth was created), terminal velocity would not really be much of a value... It would always be changing as the earth keeps going faster and faster.

Uh, no.

Physics Lesson!

Terminal velocity is when the upward force of wind resistance is equal to the downward pull of gravity.

Now, that's RE Theory.

In FE Theory, you are not moving, you are standing still while the Earth, and in turn the wind being pushed up by the Earth, move towards you.  Terminal velocity in FE is simply when wind resistance of the upward moving air begin to move you upward.  Put a piece of paper on a fan pointing upward and you'll see what I mean.

There is something every noob should learn: The Equivalence Principle.  There is no difference between acceleration and gravitation.  None.  These threads trying to debunk acceleration are worthless, as they DO NOT WORK.
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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2008, 01:48:01 AM »
Quote from: MessiahOfFire on June 03, 2008, 01:39:33 AM
Quote from: Ski on June 03, 2008, 01:34:21 AM
At what rate of acceleration does a body fall to earth due to gravitation?

In RE theory, the max a body can reach while within our atmosphere, falling towards earth is determined by terminal velocity. Because we have a constant force of gravitation that does not include acceleration.

I didn't ask about velocity. I asked about acceleration. How do you figure that falling objects have no acceleration? If you accept they do have acceleration, at what rate do they accelerate?
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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2008, 03:07:27 AM »
Quote from: MessiahOfFire on June 02, 2008, 08:32:40 PM
If our earth is accelerating so fast, I would feel it.
The Earth will always be accelerating at 1g.

Quote from: MessiahOfFire on June 02, 2008, 08:32:40 PM
Which concludes: We are not accelerating.
Which concludes: We are accelerating, whether we are on the FE or RE.
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Re: I've been in a...
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2008, 04:38:14 AM »
Hi MessiahOfFire,

Here's a link to some physics videos that you might enjoy.

I'm fairly certain in there it explains what weight is.
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