so,

people have sailed in practically every part of the ocean on earth, people have circled in in ships, planes and KNOW where things are, if the ocean, as illustrated in that map, really DID go on for so long, we Wouldn't have a FISHING problem. also, people would GO there, an notice military guard, and the mountains would have been mapped long ago.

Oh really? Who circumnavigated the earth entirely in the Southern Hemisphere then?

Tom Bishop, you have to be the most ignorant douchebags ive ever encountered. Please stop referencing the FAQ, which is a total load of pigcrap, and that stupid book which was written by some jagoff as mentally handicapped as you are.

Every single day cargo ships cross the oceans East and West without A) Falling off the side of the Earth and B) Encountering an Ice Wall.

GPS devices are used with satellites.

It is impossible for all the space-traveling countries in the world to work together on such an elaborate conspiracy. Not to mention you cant seem to provide any reason for the conspiracy except "We assume it would be money."

Youre an ass.

@Tom Bishop
uh, that would be the Chinese in the years 1421-23. The treasure fleets of Zheng He and Zhou Di. They circumnavigated the world and left many markers where they had been.
it's all explained in
http://www.amazon.com/1421-Year-China-Discovered-America/dp/0060537639
ta-da!

The earth is the only know material world and the only environment known to support life.

While I agree with the latter as according to RE we are still on the only known planet to support life, the former raises an interesting question in my mind.  Provided the moon can be shown to be round, would that force you to conclude that anything trying to land on the moon in a place other than its northern pole would simply slide or fall off?  If we're going by the UA model, then the only reason we don't slide off the earth is because, according to FE, the earth is flat.  In that theory, objects should fall off any non-flat body accelerating at 1g alongside the earth, am I wrong?  I only ask because it seems to paint an even funnier, more ludicrous picture of the FE solar system.

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people have sailed in practically every part of the ocean on earth, people have circled in in ships, planes and KNOW where things are, if the ocean, as illustrated in that map, really DID go on for so long, we Wouldn't have a FISHING problem. also, people would GO there, an notice military guard, and the mountains would have been mapped long ago.

Oh really? Who circumnavigated the earth entirely in the Southern Hemisphere then?

So having pointed out all Vendee Globe competitors circumnavigate the southern hemisphere now someone has to do it entirely in the southern hemisphere.
Like it makes a difference.

Oh really? Who circumnavigated the earth entirely in the Southern Hemisphere then?

James Cook.

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Oh really? Who circumnavigated the earth entirely in the Southern Hemisphere then?

James Cook.

Murdered.

by the flat earth conpisracy!
trying to convince us that the earth is flat!
they murdered james cook!

Every single day cargo ships cross the oceans East and West without A) Falling off the side of the Earth and B) Encountering an Ice Wall.

Plenty of people have encountered the Ice Wall.

The Ice Wall was discovered by Sir James Clark Ross, a polar explorer who was among the first to venture to Antarctica in an attempt to determine the position of the South Magnetic Pole. Upon confronting the massive vertical front of of ice he famously remarked

"It was ... an obstruction of such character as to leave no doubt in my mind as to our future proceedings, for we might as well sail through the cliffs of Dover as to penetrate such a mass.

 It would be impossible to conceive a more solid-looking mass of ice; not the smallest appearance of any rent or fissure could we discover throughout its whole extent, and the intensely bright sky beyond it but too plainly indicated the great distance to which it reached southward."

James Cook.

James Cook was murdered right after his Antarctic voyage.

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James Cook.

James Cook was murdered right after his Antarctic voyage.

In Hawaii by Hawaiians after exploring Alaska looking for the north-west passage.

14 Feb 1779     The theft of a ship's cutter leads Captain Cook to put ashore to demand the return of the boat. the shore party is suddenly attacked by armed warriors and Cook is clubbed & repeatedly stabbed to death.

James Cook was murdered right after his Antarctic voyage.

Wrong.  James Cook died during his third voyage in Hawaii after he attempted to find the Northwest Passage.  He circumnavigated the world in the southern seas twice, once in his first voyage, and again in his second.  He returned to Britain after both voyages.  The journals and maps from his expedition were published and still exist today.

LOL

even if it was discovered, you STILL


Tom Bishop, this is for you HOW COME NO ONE has EVER SEEN A MASSIVE CIRCLe OF MILITARY GUARD AROUND THE EARTH.

im sure many governments would get pissed, and people would know, there is

NO PROOF

get it in to your thick head Tom, you cant prove it, and until you can, your a liar, got that?

go get a real education...or head..or life/job (and website)

Everybody that goes South (rimward) sees the ice.

Maybe I'm missing something, but how does circumnavigation of the Southern Hemiplane in itself disprove Flat Earth Theory? I think Tom meant "who has circumnavigated the world, north-to-south, and back to north again (crossing both poles)". Because nobody has.

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James Cook was murdered right after his Antarctic voyage.

Wrong.  James Cook died during his third voyage in Hawaii after he attempted to find the Northwest Passage.  He circumnavigated the world in the southern seas twice, once in his first voyage, and again in his second.  He returned to Britain after both voyages.  The journals and maps from his expedition were published and still exist today.

James Cook found the ice wall and was killed on his third and final voyage. When Capt. Clerke took over after Cook's murder, he too was killed to keep the discovery quiet. Also Bligh appears to have been intimidated into silence, as well.

@Tom Bishop
uh, that would be the Chinese in the years 1421-23. The treasure fleets of Zheng He and Zhou Di. They circumnavigated the world and left many markers where they had been.

And your belief is that they not only circumnavigated, but reliably mapped the distances as well? You have a lot of faith in those Chinese Flat Earthers. You see China held a flat earth cosmology until late in the 1700th century. After the BGMG found influence through trade.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 03, 2008, 01:30:22 PM

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James Cook.

James Cook was murdered right after his Antarctic voyage.

In Hawaii by Hawaiians after exploring Alaska looking for the north-west passage.

Quote from: http://www.captaincook.org.uk/history/index.php

14 Feb 1779     The theft of a ship's cutter leads Captain Cook to put ashore to demand the return of the boat. the shore party is suddenly attacked by armed warriors and Cook is clubbed & repeatedly stabbed to death.

There are several reports that while Cook led a small party on the beach, the rest of the party headed back to the boats to return to the ship, leaving Cook and a few others to die on the beach.

Maybe I'm missing something, but how does circumnavigation of the Southern Hemiplane in itself disprove Flat Earth Theory? I think Tom meant "who has circumnavigated the world, north-to-south, and back to north again (crossing both poles)". Because nobody has.

If the world was flat and arranged like FE theory predicts, Cook's expeditions would have discovered it.  On his second expedition, Cook was equipped with a chronometer to determine longitude.  In the southern 'hemiplane' the lines of longitude would be much farther apart than predicted by RE theory.  Plotting his course on a map, it would have been obvious to Cook that lines of longitude were farther apart than predicted using his other RE charts and tables.

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James Cook was murdered right after his Antarctic voyage.

Wrong.  James Cook died during his third voyage in Hawaii after he attempted to find the Northwest Passage.  He circumnavigated the world in the southern seas twice, once in his first voyage, and again in his second.  He returned to Britain after both voyages.  The journals and maps from his expedition were published and still exist today.

James Cook found the ice wall on his third and final voyage. When Capt. Clerke took over after Cook's murder, he too was killed to keep the discovery quiet. Also Bligh appears to have been intimidated into silence, as well.

What is your source for this information?  All sources I found show that he never approached Antarctica and that the purpose of his third expedition was to search for the Northwest Passage around the Bering Strait.

If the world was flat and arranged like FE theory predicts, Cook's expeditions would have discovered it.

Where's the data from Cook's voyages showing that the distances he encountered reflect the hypothesis of a Round Earth?

The ships logs were all exchanged after the murder of Clerke and Cook. The man spent his entire life studying the southern-most extremes, no one could think he abandoned that to find the Northwest Passage. In fact, the voyage was not designated for that purpose until after the return of the expedition.

The ships logs were all exchanged after the murder of Clerke and Cook. The man spent his entire life studying the southern-most extremes, no one could think he abandoned that to find the Northwest Passage. In fact, the voyage was not designated for that purpose until after the return of the expedition.

And your source is?

tom bishop, where is any of your proof? oh, woops, no existent.

people would realize a military guard of something so big, its obvious, and its not even do-able.

accept it Tom, no one has ever discovered it, proved it, documented it because it doesnt exist. use your head, you've made something out of nothing. stop. think. your being ridicules.

tom bishop, where is any of your proof? oh, woops, no existent.

I'm the one asking you guys for proof.

Where's the data from Cook's voyages showing that the distances he encountered reflect the hypothesis of a Round Earth?

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If the world was flat and arranged like FE theory predicts, Cook's expeditions would have discovered it.

Where's the data from Cook's voyages showing that the distances he encountered reflect the hypothesis of a Round Earth?

Actually, I think I'll head over to my library.  There appears to be some good books about his voyages.  I'll see what more I can find.

Quote from: Ski on June 03, 2008, 03:22:28 PM

The ships logs were all exchanged after the murder of Clerke and Cook. The man spent his entire life studying the southern-most extremes, no one could think he abandoned that to find the Northwest Passage. In fact, the voyage was not designated for that purpose until after the return of the expedition.

And your source is?

That the primary reason he gave for the voyage was to return Omai to Tahiti. Contemporary accounts verify this. Here he was being prudent. What better way to gain funding than returning a gentile savage to his home? It also masked his true intentions from the BGMG who had shown an unhealthy interest in his second voyage. Cook planned to travel to the Antarctic, and aware of the danger made sure he brought along no scientists, only adventurers. His precautions were too few as he was eventually left on the beach in Hawaii. He also brought livestock and excess plants and seeds to provide the expedition a chance of penetrating the barrier of cold and ice that surrounds the ice wall.

Quote from: jdoe on June 03, 2008, 03:24:31 PM

Quote from: Ski on June 03, 2008, 03:22:28 PM

The ships logs were all exchanged after the murder of Clerke and Cook. The man spent his entire life studying the southern-most extremes, no one could think he abandoned that to find the Northwest Passage. In fact, the voyage was not designated for that purpose until after the return of the expedition.

And your source is?

That the primary reason he gave for the voyage was to return Omai to Tahiti. Contemporary accounts verify this. Here he was being prudent. What better way to gain funding than returning a gentile savage to his home? It also masked his true intentions from the BGMG who had shown an unhealthy interest in his second voyage. Cook planned to travel to the Antarctic, and aware of the danger made sure he brought along no scientists, only adventurers. His precautions were too few as he was eventually left on the beach in Hawaii. He also brought livestock and excess plants and seeds to provide the expedition a chance of penetrating the barrier of cold and ice that surrounds the ice wall.

So no source?  Seems like pure speculation to me.

Any research will verify what I just said. Contemporary sources cite the goal of the voyage to be returning Omai to Tahiti. He did not take scientists on the third voyage. He took several head of livestock and lots of plants and seeds.

Contemporary sources cite the goal of the voyage to be returning Omai to Tahiti.

I agree with this, but you have no evidence to suggest that Cook actually went to Antarctica; it seems like speculation.

I'll do some research on Cook's voyages at my library later when I have some time; I'll see what I can find.

You don't think it's odd that he went to Tahiti by way of New Zealand, and then decided "Maybe I'll go up north for awhile," as opposed to finishing what he had started in the south of the equator? That all references of the trip's goal of finding the Northern Passage are dated after the ship had returned? That both Cook and Clerke failed to return? That they didn't take any scientists with them on this trip? That instead they took livestock able to be used as beasts of burden in a cross-country excursion which officially never took place?