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rhys.l

Coriolis effect
« on: June 01, 2008, 05:52:05 PM »
Hey everyone,

could someone please explain to me how your flatearth 'theory' ( ;D) works in relation to the Coriolis effect?

How can you explain that this effect can be measured and varified to be stronger at the poles, which only makes sense on a round earth, not a flat earth? And how the air cells and surface winds blow different directions in the southern and northern hemisphere, which just doesn't make sense from a flat earth model?

Cheers, flat earth cynic
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Penispoop agogo

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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2008, 06:18:44 PM »
It is due to the size/shape of the drain and has nothing to do with a globe, although you'd be hard pressed to find a legitimate peer reviewed source saying this.this is not whatt i believe
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2008, 09:01:56 PM »
notice how none of "them" have replied yet.
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2008, 05:27:41 AM »
That's because there is another thread with this exact same title, where the topic was already discussed and the FEers probably don't feel like getting into it again. Also referring to FEers as "them" is kind of harsh, you make them sound like pariahs.
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2008, 07:46:16 AM »
The coriolis effect does not explain drains, even in RE theory.

FE theory notes that the celestial spheres change their rotation on opposite sides of the suns path.  Foucault's pendulum is found to mirror the motions of the stars exactly so it is believed there is a universal force at work.
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2008, 10:01:12 AM »
Quote from: Penispoop agogo on June 01, 2008, 06:18:44 PM
It is due to the size/shape of the drain and has nothing to do with a globe, although you'd be hard pressed to find a legitimate peer reviewed source saying this.this is not whatt i believe

LOL.  Please provide a legitimate peer-reviewed source saying that the path of water going down a drain is due to the Coriolis Effect.  Or better yet, save yourself some time and just google "coriolis toilet myth" and note the staggering number of reputable and respected sources that tell you that it is, indeed, a myth.  Discovery.com says "It takes a mass of air many miles in diameter to demonstrate the infamous toilet twirl."
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2008, 11:30:52 AM »
WTF is an Air Cell?
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2008, 12:37:07 PM »
Without the Coriolis effect, the weather would stand still. And without a round earth, the Coriolis effect would not exist. So.. how do you explain the Coriolis effect? How does it work on a flat earth? I know how it works on a round, but without a gravity field around a round earth, it would take magic to make weather. Might it be some giant weather-control machine, NASA build? Or, does the laws of physics not exist?
Watch the next exciting episode of: The flat earth!
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2008, 12:49:45 PM »
Quote from: meandonlyme on June 03, 2008, 12:37:07 PM
Without the Coriolis effect, the weather would stand still. And without a round earth, the Coriolis effect would not exist. So..

Or, does the laws of physics not exist?

Your laws of physics don't exist.  The weather absolutely would not stand still without coriolis.  Coriolis effect only dictates direction of wind, for certain semi-stable patterns.  And even for the stable patterns, certain currents exist which have nothing to do with coriolis effect.
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2008, 02:08:21 PM »
No, no! Let him speak, I want a good RE sig quote, mine is getting stale.
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lived_eht_asan

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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2008, 02:14:50 PM »
Er...

Yes, meandonlyme, please do explain the laws of physics for us.  In particular all the laws we violate, and how.  And all the fancy weather ones.
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2008, 05:01:58 AM »
When wind are coming from the north or south, and heading for equator, it will be pulled to the side, due to the earth rotation. Since the flat earth does not rotate (if it did, it would be round), this would never happen. When wind travels the other way on a round earth, it's not the rotation of the earth, but the fact, that the wind travels on a curve, going into the center of the earth rotation, that pulls it, this time to the other side. Of cause, wind would not stand still on a flat earth. In fact, the wind would always blow towards where the sun is shining on the flat earth, which would be a constant blowing wind towards Antarctica , and a very low pressure on the.. inner and outer side of the flat earth. On a flat earth, no such thing as cyclone would ever be able to exist. cyclones are a direct result of a self-reinforcing Coriolis effect. The same is high- and low pressure areas in the atmosphere, which is what makes the weather predicable.
On a flat earth, there would be constant rain on the equator.

If you can explain how a cyclone can exist in the natural environment of a flat, non-rotating earth, without breaking simple laws of physics that you can test yourself, i would be happy to listen. For now, I'll just go with the logical explanation: the earth is round :-\

sorry for translation errors and typos, English is not my native language..


edit: btw, i won't accept a explanation, that involve conspiracy theories..
« Last Edit: June 04, 2008, 05:09:57 AM by meandonlyme »
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2008, 10:41:37 AM »
The Coriolis effect doesn't affect weather in FE or RE.
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2008, 06:19:07 AM »
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The Coriolis effect doesn't affect weather in FE or RE.

fcol..
Actualy, it's the one thing keeping the weather going, except from the sun.. If you knew just a little about meteorology you would know this. Only 10% of americas population actualy understands the Coriolis effect, and i can see that you are'nt one.

I don't know if basic meterology knowledge is also a part of the great FE conspiracy (no wonder if it is), but if you for one moment forget about FE, and try to understand the Coriolis effect's influence on the earths weather system, you might just understand why the weather would stand still..

Coriolis effect is also extremly important when flying a plane. If you don't calculate it into you flight plan, you can end up several thousand miles away from your target.


Here's some websites explaining both the Coriolis effect AND it's influnce on the global weather system. If you don't understand it after reading through this, i want bother you anymore, i won't be able to do anything about your lack of basic knowlegde and the ability to understand the Coriolis effect, and therefore, i want be able to even try and convince you:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/resources/basics/coriolis-understanding.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect#Coriolis_in_meteorology
http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/mtr/fw/crls.rxml
http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/glossary/coriolis_effect.html



Oh, and you didn't answer my question: If it's not the coriolis effect that's making cyclones in FE, what is it then?
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2008, 06:29:40 AM »
If you actually knew what you were posting, you'd know that the Coriolis effect is only one of the influences on weather. Weather would not stand still without the Coriolis. That's as basic as it comes.

As for an explanation, it varies. I don't think I've seen anything of merit to suggest.

And, the "measurements" of it being stronger at the poles, I'm sorry, but we can't admit fallacies into the debate. Well, we can, but it's silly.
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2008, 10:54:11 AM »
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If you actually knew what you were posting, you'd know that the Coriolis effect is only one of the influences on weather. Weather would not stand still without the Coriolis. That's as basic as it comes.

Okay, the weather won't stand still, it was an exaggeration, as i already have explained. Now, you guys haven't answered any of the questions yet..
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2008, 11:09:52 AM »
Quote from: divito the truthist on June 05, 2008, 06:29:40 AM
As for an explanation, it varies. I don't think I've seen anything of merit to suggest.
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2008, 12:21:35 PM »
I can explain how it works in RE. You can't explain how it works in FE. If you don't have anything to suggest, why don't we call this a 1-0 to RE..
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2008, 12:27:26 PM »
Quote from: meandonlyme on June 05, 2008, 12:21:35 PM
I can explain how it works in RE. You can't explain how it works in FE. If you don't have anything to suggest, why don't we call this a 1-0 to RE..

As lived eht asan pointed out, it appears to be a universal force of nature that also seems to govern the movement of the stars.  There's a definite correlation between the two phenomena that RE seems to curiously overlook.
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2008, 01:07:41 PM »
so what you guys are trying to say is, that you reject fundamental physics and blame cyclones on some universal force of nature, that no one else than you knows about and no one can prove, and that the one thing, that gives weather forecasters the ability to forecast the weather, actually does not exist?

Do you understand the Coriolis effect?
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2008, 01:09:43 PM »
Quote from: meandonlyme on June 05, 2008, 01:07:41 PM
so what you guys are trying to say is, that you reject fundamental physics and blame cyclones on some universal force of nature, that no one else than you knows about and no one can prove, and that the one thing, that gives weather forecasters the ability to forecast the weather, actually does not exist?

Do you understand the Coriolis effect?

No, I blame the heat of condensation.  Since the coriolis effect has nothing to do with cyclones.
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2008, 01:49:03 PM »
I see, you do not understand the Coriolis effect, which makes this conversation absolutely pointless.

It seems like everyone believing in the earth is flat have a general lack of understanding of basic physics. When you guys grow old, and learn a thing or to about it, could we please take the conversation up again then?
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2008, 01:54:28 PM »
Quote from: meandonlyme on June 05, 2008, 01:49:03 PM
I see, you do not understand the Coriolis effect, which makes this conversation absolutely pointless.

It seems like everyone believing in the earth is flat have a general lack of understanding of basic physics. When you guys grow old, and learn a thing or to about it, could we please take the conversation up again then?

Oh, I'm sorry, did you think cyclones, hurricanes and tornadoes would not happen on a flat earth?  You should have your head examined.
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2008, 03:04:16 PM »
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Oh, I'm sorry, did you think cyclones, hurricanes and tornadoes would not happen on a flat earth?  You should have your head examined.

I'm only talking cyclones and hurricanes. Tornados is a very different thing.
And you would only find FE's that woulden't agree with me. You should have your head examined, like every other FE. Thats one problem with you FE's; If you find something you can't explain, you attack the opponent, or reject the physical evidence. The point is exactly, that cyclones woulden't happen on a flat earth! And the reason you can't accept that, is because you believe that the earth is flat. I have given you evidence on the Coriolis effect's effect on the weather, you just ignore it.

Again, i want an explanation to exactly how a cyclone is created. I have done my part, and it's a logically and given scientifically explanation. Now i want an explanation from you on how, exactly a cyclone is created on the FE. IF you can't do that, or if you keep insisting ignoring the explanation i have given you, you are failing, and with you, FE.

I know you can't accept it, but should really not be so hard to just take a look at what i'm saying. Even my first reply in this topic contains the explanation, and the second contains not just an explanation, but also animations to explain it to dummies. Either you haven't taken a look at it, or, which would be sad, you guys "should have your head examined".


I can't do a serious debate with you as long as you are playing stupid. Please, as i said: When you guys grow old, and learn a thing or to about it, then we might be able to take this conversation up again, without you being so goddamn stubborn (and apparently stupid)!

ciao, i'm out of here, noobs.
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2008, 03:18:16 PM »
This will explain how: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Storm_Vamei

(1) FE does not deny Coriolis effect
(2) Coriolis effect is not necessary for cyclones.
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2008, 08:47:24 PM »
Quote from: meandonlyme on June 05, 2008, 06:19:07 AM
Coriolis effect is also extremly important when flying a plane. If you don't calculate it into you flight plan, you can end up several thousand miles away from your target.
That's strange, I've never had to take it into account, yet, I have yet to get lost.
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2008, 10:46:47 PM »
Quote from: meandonlyme on June 05, 2008, 01:07:41 PM
so what you guys are trying to say is, that you reject fundamental physics and blame cyclones on some universal force of nature, that no one else than you knows about and no one can prove, and that the one thing, that gives weather forecasters the ability to forecast the weather, actually does not exist?

There is no rejection of any fundamental physics. There has also been no denial of the Coriolis effect.

As stated earlier, the Coriolis is only an influence on weather. Stop making it to be something it's clearly not.

Weather is formed in the exact same way on RE and FE. Now, stop making shit up.
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Re: Coriolis effect
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2008, 09:46:33 AM »
I'd actually like you to define the Coriolis effect, since you have such a different idea to anyone else here, FE or RE.
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