Gravitons, revisited

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narcberry

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Gravitons, revisited
« on: May 29, 2008, 06:08:06 PM »
A major flaw in RET is it's sole reliance on gravitons as the only mechanism to explain gravity. The problem is, RET's gravity is a function of mass and distance. Therefore, gravitons must be affected, somehow, by both mass and distance. However, it is affected by neither as any graviton source will distribute an infinite set of gravitons at an infinite rate to all matter in the universe. How? Read on. (Guess it's just us FE'ers from here on)

An atomic particle (not a neutron/proton, but whatever is actually an atomic particle) emits gravitons. It emits them in all directions. It emits them at a rate that is indivisible. It therefore emits infinite gravitons (all directions), at an infinite rate (indivisible rate).

A clump of two atomic particles, emit double infinity gravitons, at double infinity rate.

These two sets of gravitons reach an atomic particle at some distance x. How is mass and distance communicated by an infinite set of stateless particles? How does it know that the second set of infinite gravitons should have twice as much influence? If the distance were 2x, how is it this distance communicated when the particle still receives an infinite set of gravitons?
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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2008, 06:14:22 PM »
Narc your great thinking your so smart. Trust we world class physicists have shown that gravitons are good at explaining gravity

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narcberry

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2008, 06:20:56 PM »
Can I get an english translation of that please?
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11576.0

Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2008, 06:34:19 PM »
Narc your great thinking your so smart. Trust we world class physicists have shown that gravitons are good at explaining gravity

@narcberry- nice link.  Yeah no kidding, wft does he mean??

@donkey - When you say "we world class physicists" are you referring to yourself?  If so I might just have thrown up.

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2008, 08:03:03 PM »
Narc your great thinking your so smart. Trust we world class physicists have shown that gravitons are good at explaining gravity
Of all the scientific papers and documents written by "world class physicists" that I have read, none of them sounded as if they were written by an illiterate 9 year old.
Why justify an illegitimate attack with a legitimate response?

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2008, 08:07:43 PM »
Narcberry,  you are great and I think you are very smart.  Trust me, world class physicists have shown that gravitons explain gravity very well if gravity itself was a force, but it is not.  I can has cheezburgerz?
Translated.
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WardoggKC130FE

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2008, 08:45:44 PM »
Im not sure about this whole gravitron thing.  Im still reading about it.  But if gravity doesn't exist but whatever means, gravitrons, or whatever, then what about magnetism?  Does that force not exist either?

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2008, 08:52:30 PM »
It does in FE, are you saying magnets don't work in RE?

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WardoggKC130FE

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2008, 08:55:45 PM »
LOL. Hmmm no i dont think I ever said that.  It was a question not a statement.  I was trying to figure out why magnets work in FET but gravity doesn't.  Both are invisible forces that attract objects toward each other depending on their size and distance apart from each other.

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2008, 09:01:31 PM »
Magnets use gravitons? What's the connection exactly? They are both invisible forces? They both are sole attractive forces (magnets don't repel?)?

Please post a picture of a visible force.

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WardoggKC130FE

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2008, 09:05:34 PM »
Me punching you in the face would be a picture of a visible force. But I digress.  I don't know if magnets use gravitons.  I'm still not exactly sure what they are.  I'm wondering why Gravity doesn't exist in FET but magnets are A-OK.  Also why does FET follow some of Einsteins theories but not others?  Why be picky?

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2008, 09:06:31 PM »
Im not sure about this whole gravitron thing.  Im still reading about it.
What is not to be sure about it?  It's an amusement park ride.  :-\


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WardoggKC130FE

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2008, 09:13:29 PM »
 ;) I agree.  I think I've puked off that one before.

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2008, 09:21:24 PM »
Gravitons are real and they should be found when the large hadron collider is switched online. Oh and magnets are completely different from gravity to completely different forces/properties of space

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2008, 09:21:27 PM »
;) I agree.  I think I've puked off that one before.
Then you would have puked on yourself.  I think you would remember that.


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WardoggKC130FE

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2008, 09:22:44 PM »
Not if I turned my head.  ;)

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narcberry

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2008, 09:24:01 PM »
Gravitons are real and they should be found when the large hadron collider is switched online. Oh and magnets are completely different from gravity to completely different forces/properties of space

What method will they use to find the stateless weightless non-interfering particle as it travels past at speed infinity? It's at the end of the universe at the same moment it is created, where should they place their magical sensors?

Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2008, 09:26:28 PM »
Many things in quantum theory are just as confusing and impossible to prove as 'gravitons' or 'gravity'. Is the whole of quantum theory just a magic trick?

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2008, 09:29:20 PM »
FE has an explained mechanism for the effect of "gravity"

sounds like you're playing catch-up, not a good place to be in scientific study.

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2008, 09:35:14 PM »
Graviton travels at the speed of light and they'll be able to detect its presence when the LHC starts colliding particles in september

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2008, 09:36:40 PM »
Narc you don't really understand how gravitons work so I wouldn't be disclaiming them

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2008, 09:41:55 PM »
Gravitons travel at the speed of light now?

Time to patent my gravity driven perpetual motion device.

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2008, 09:44:00 PM »
Graviton always traveled at the speed of light.

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narcberry

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2008, 09:44:48 PM »
So RE believes in free energy?

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« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2008, 09:45:03 PM »
Oh then I guess black holes don't have gravity.  Problem solved.

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2008, 09:45:27 PM »
I was trying to figure out why magnets work in FET but gravity doesn't.  Both are invisible forces that attract objects toward each other depending on their size and distance apart from each other.

These might be helpful to you Wardogg:

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/newton/askasci/1993/physics/PHY40.HTM

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B03EED71538F936A35752C1A960958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

http://home.uchicago.edu/~holder/Gravity.pdf

Although I would in no way consider these references, they might help get you on the right track as far as what to research on the subject.

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2008, 09:47:46 PM »
Oh then I guess black holes don't have gravity.  Problem solved.
Wow where did I say that? NOw where black holes are pure gravity and again gravitons have always traveled at the speed of light

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narcberry

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Re: Gravitons, revisited
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2008, 09:49:41 PM »
How can binary star systems exist if gravity travels at the speed of light?

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« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2008, 09:49:51 PM »
Oh then I guess black holes don't have gravity.  Problem solved.
Wow where did I say that? NOw where black holes are pure gravity and again gravitons have always traveled at the speed of light

Interesting.  So gravitons are moving greater than escape velocity and can thus leave the singularity of the black hole and cross the escape horizon?
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« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2008, 09:53:36 PM »
So RE believes in free energy?

Solar energy? Getting energy from something moving at the speed of light?