Why is the Round Earth model untestable?

 

Now as a challenge to you Round Earthers, what kind of household test can I preform which suggests that the Round Earth model is true? The budget for your test needs to be minimal. Asking me to build a rocket ship and blast off into space is not a household test.

Hopefully this experiment will meet Tom's challenge. Get a styrofoam or plastic cup and put a hole in it. Put your finger over the hole and fill the cup with water. Hold the cup up high and uncover the hole. The water will gush out out. According to the FE theory there is no gravity on Earth so how is it possible that the water flows out.

Repeat the experiment again but this time drop the cup. You will find that as the cup of falls (or as the Earth moves towards the cup) no water will come out of the hole. Scientists say this occurs because "Gravity pulls down on the cup and water equally and they fall at the same speed. As they descend together, there is no force pushing the water through the hole."

Could an FE'er please explain how this is possible with the FE theory.

Thanx 
 

Do you honestly call it the interweb sometimes?

That test would work well, and is the best way to assess the true geometric shape of the earth.  It does prove the earth is flat however.

You'll want to do it on standing water, rather than dirt.  That is the only way to guarantee a perfectly level surface.

The surface of the earth is sufficiently irregular that a short stretch of road cannot be assumed to have any particular shape.
Do the test at sea (or on a coast) and the result you get only makes sense if the world is round.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 24, 2008, 05:43:18 PM

Now as a challenge to you Round Earthers, what kind of household test can I preform which suggests that the Round Earth model is true? The budget for your test needs to be minimal. Asking me to build a rocket ship and blast off into space is not a household test.

Hopefully this experiment will meet Tom's challenge. Get a styrofoam or plastic cup and put a hole in it. Put your finger over the hole and fill the cup with water. Hold the cup up high and uncover the hole. The water will gush out out. According to the FE theory there is no gravity on Earth so how is it possible that the water flows out.

Repeat the experiment again but this time drop the cup. You will find that as the cup of falls (or as the Earth moves towards the cup) no water will come out of the hole. Scientists say this occurs because "Gravity pulls down on the cup and water equally and they fall at the same speed. As they descend together, there is no force pushing the water through the hole."

Could an FE'er please explain how this is possible with the FE theory.

Thanx 
 

When you are holding the cup it is accelerating upwards with the earth.

That doesn't explain why the water comes out of the cup shouldn't it also be accelerating with the Earth.

Chiro are you serious?

I'm as serious as any Fe'er! Go figure that one out!

Anyways what I should be asking is what force pulls the water out of the cup if gravity doesn't exist. The water would stay in the cup if there was no force pulling on it. The Earth Accelerating upwards would have no effect on the water coming out. And if you argue that it does then why does the water not come out when we drop the cup???

The water that is directly above the hole is not being accelerated by the cup.  Therefore, it drains out.  When you let go of the cup, the water and the cup are traveling at the same velocity, therefore, the water can't drain out. 

I really hope you were not serious.

LOL!!! Thankyou Engineer! Finally I got the answer I wanted but not in the way you think.

Engineer subconciously you admitted that you believe gravity exists because you said that the water and the cup are traveling at the same velocity. According to the FE theory the earth would move towards the cup not the cup move towards the Earth. The Fe theory has no force that would give the cup velocity yet you just admitted that it would have a velocity.

The Engineer I really hope your being serious. LOL!! 

LOL!!! Thankyou Engineer! Finally I got the answer I wanted but not in the way you think.

This amuses me to no end, but probably not for the reasons you were hoping...

Quote from: Chiro on June 01, 2008, 01:54:19 AM

LOL!!! Thankyou Engineer! Finally I got the answer I wanted but not in the way you think.

This amuses me to no end, but probably not for the reasons you were hoping...

Well this isn't the first time an FE'er replys without any real purpose. Ski feel free to humilate me by actually explaining how a dropping cup has velocity when gravity doesn't exist??

LOL!!! Thankyou Engineer! Finally I got the answer I wanted but not in the way you think.

Engineer subconciously you admitted that you believe gravity exists because you said that the water and the cup are traveling at the same velocity. According to the FE theory the earth would move towards the cup not the cup move towards the Earth. The Fe theory has no force that would give the cup velocity yet you just admitted that it would have a velocity.

The Engineer I really hope your being serious. LOL!! 

UA accelerates Earth -> Earth acclerates you -> you accelerate cup simply by holding it in your hand -> cup accelerates water.
Got that?

Can you work the rest out yourself? Here's a clue: Acceleration = rate of change of velocity.

Kasora good attempt at explain it so I'll try just as hard to explain it to you ok...

If i hold the cup then according to your theory the cups accelerating at a different speed to the water. Further more this difference in velocity causes the water to gush out.

However if i drop that cup then the cup will still have the same velocity that it had when it left my hand which is different to the water. Now you say that it appears to fall because the Earth accelerates towards it which makes locical sense. However, according to the FE rules when we drop the cup, the water and the cup will be travelling at different velocities which doesn't make sense because when he test this the water stays inside the cup, a result of equal velocities (according to the FE theory)!

Kasora good attempt at explain it so I'll try just as hard to explain it to you ok...

If i hold the cup then according to your theory the cups accelerating at a different speed to the water. Further more this difference in velocity causes the water to gush out.

Do you ever think about what you're going to post or do you just rush to post your brilliant brainstorms in your haste to destroy FET?

Funny I would ask you the same question and once again you feel compelled to post even though you cannot provide any logical explanation. If this paradox seems simple to you Ski why don't you hurry up and prove yourself right and me wrong. I can't see any reason for you not to other than you not actually being able to provide a logical explanation.

However if i drop that cup then the cup will still have the same velocity that it had when it left my hand which is different to the water.

No, it is not.

Now you say that it appears to fall because the Earth accelerates towards it which makes locical sense.

Logical, yes.

However, according to the FE rules when we drop the cup, the water and the cup will be travelling at different velocities

Which FE rule is this?

If i hold the cup then according to your theory the cups accelerating at a different speed to the water. Further more this difference in velocity causes the water to gush out.

Everything in contact with the Earth, directly or indirectly, is accelerating at the same rate. The water and cup and you are all accelerating at a rate of 9.8m/s^2. If you cut a hole in the bottom of the cup then water above that hole is no longer being accelerated by the cup so it continues at a constant velocity and gets left behind by the cup. This appears as water running out of the bottom of the cup.

However if i drop that cup then the cup will still have the same velocity that it had when it left my hand which is different to the water.

Water is being accelerated by cup -> water has same velocity as cup at all times even when the cup is dropped.

Now you say that it appears to fall because the Earth accelerates towards it which makes locical sense. However, according to the FE rules when we drop the cup, the water and the cup will be travelling at different velocities which doesn't make sense because when he test this the water stays inside the cup, a result of equal velocities (according to the FE theory)!

See above.

Funny I would ask you the same question and once again you feel compelled to post even though you cannot provide any logical explanation. If this paradox seems simple to you Ski why don't you hurry up and prove yourself right and me wrong. I can't see any reason for you not to other than you not actually being able to provide a logical explanation.

Probably because your assertion makes so little sense that I'm unwilling to bang my head up against a wall trying to explain it to you after other attempts have failed...

Engineer you honestly don't know FE's rules!!! Ok... I'll explain it to you:

FE believes that the Earth and every thing on it is accelerating. Acceleration =  rate of change of velocity. That means that something on the Earth has a higher velocity then something that is not eg. suspended in mid-air. That also means that if something remains on Earth longer than something that isn't it will have a higher velocity. In this case if we let the water flow and then drop the cup, the cup remains on Earth longer than the water giving it a higher velocity.

Hope that explains your theory to you.

 If your thinking that friction and resistance would slow the cup down to the same velocity as the water your forgetting that the water is also affected by friction and resistance.

The cup has a bottom.  That bottom is accelerating the water inside the cup.  Try to fail less.

Lol. This just gets better...

Yes I admit I am failing to explain this... I'll try again... You are now saying that the water is also accelerated which brings us back to square one. What force causes the water to flow?. If the waters travelling at the same speed as the Earth then the water wouldn't flow out unless there was a force pulling on it (lests be crazy and actually say that gravity causing the water to flow and that the world isn't accelerating past the speed of light).

There is a hole in the cup, right?  The water above that hole is not being accelerated by the cup.  Therefore, it drains out.  The water that is above the cup's bottom is still being accelerated by the cup.

First, the world hasn't accelerated past the speed of light in FE. Second, do you understand the difference between acceleration and velocity?

Yes I admit I am failing to explain this... I'll try again... You are now saying that the water is also accelerated which brings us back to square one. What force causes the water to flow?. If the waters travelling at the same speed as the Earth then the water wouldn't flow out unless there was a force pulling on it (lests be crazy and actually say that gravity causing the water to flow and that the world isn't accelerating past the speed of light).

Stop digging Chiro.

In your example there is no appreciable differences between the system accelerating upwards and having gravity, in effect an acceleration.

Ski I've decided to ignore you your not worth the effort. Engineer on the other hand you are...

Engineer how is it possible that the top layer of water is being affected differently to the bottom layer. Firstly, the Earth's acceleration force is an upward force meaning that it would affect the bottom water let alone the water on the top. Secondly, whats accelerating the top water and not the bottom water. Plz dont say the cup because the cup would accelerate the bottom water like you said before:

The cup has a bottom.  That bottom is accelerating the water inside the cup.  Try to fail less.

The water below is accelerating the water above.  Try to fail less.

Stop digging Chiro.

In your example there is no appreciable differences between the system accelerating upwards and having gravity, in effect an acceleration.

Please, listen to your fellow RE theorist. You're making RET and it's advocates look silly.

This is fun. Ok so according to the FE theory something thats not accelerating can accelerate something else above it without any other forces.

Lol! Try to fail less...

What?