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Why do you believe in FE / RE?

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bunk3rk1ng

Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« on: May 05, 2008, 10:52:06 PM »
Hello, I'de like to start off by saying I'm not here to ridicule anyone for their beliefs, I just like to know the reasons for why people believe the things that they do.

Here are some things I'm curious about:

-Why do you believe the earth is flat or the earth is round?

-When did you come to realize your current beliefs?

I will start.

I have believed that the earth is round for almost my whole life.  One of my favorite books as a child was an astronomy book with depictions of all the planets which included a picture of a round planet earth.  I have seen many pictures on the internet of the earth from space and I have no reason to disbelieve them.  It's pretty much what I have learned all my life in public school and at home.

I have considered the idea of the earth being flat but I still have not seen enough evidence to convince me otherwise.  If you do believe the earth is flat, what convinced you?

I don't think I have ridiculed anyone too much for their beliefs in my post, try not to ridicule mine too much.
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2008, 04:40:16 AM »
I was fooled by my teachers when I was young into believing the Earth was round. As far as I was aware everyone else believed it too. But then I stumbled upon FES and was able to question my beliefs. After a long time of torturous inner mental debate I finally realised the truth. That the Earth is flat. Frankly when you consider both theories with an open mind, FET just makes more sense. RET is just full of all kinds of shit like floating oceans which just doesn't make sense.
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2008, 05:00:55 AM »
I admire your courage, professor. It isn't an easy decision. Eventually, the overwhelming evidence is simply too large to ignore.
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2008, 05:02:42 AM »
Thank you, I appreciate your support.
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2008, 01:01:21 PM »
I'VE never circumnavigated the world, so all those claims to have done so must be wrong. Plus my pencil doesn't inconveniently roll away when i set it on the table, thus it is level, thus the floor is level, thus the earth is level and without curvature.
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2008, 01:16:13 PM »
Up until sometime within the last month I always believed the earth was round. Now I believe it is flat. I realized that the whole concept of gravity makes absolutely no sense. Objects attracting for no reason other than mass. I don't get it.
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2008, 01:56:16 PM »
I decided to believe in FE because I can annoy trolls, and chose to do so when i realized that Midnight wasn't an FEer, but merely a bitch that wanted to irritate me. Like a monkey, but it has your car keys and knows it.
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2008, 03:22:09 PM »
I believe in a Round earth because it is by far the most logical option.
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2008, 05:34:52 PM »
Everybody has to believe in something.  I believe that I'll have another drink.
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2008, 05:43:03 PM »
Quote from: taters343 on May 06, 2008, 01:16:13 PM
Up until sometime within the last month I always believed the earth was round. Now I believe it is flat. I realized that the whole concept of gravity makes absolutely no sense. Objects attracting for no reason other than mass. I don't get it.
An infinite amount of force that somehow only affects the earth is more plausible?
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2008, 06:16:30 PM »
Why is it infinite, again?
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2008, 06:18:45 PM »
It can be finite, it just hasn't yet run out.
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2008, 08:22:40 PM »
why believe what you're told when you can believe what you see?
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2008, 08:29:44 PM »
Quote from: Professor Gaypenguin on May 06, 2008, 04:40:16 AM
I was fooled by my teachers when I was young into believing the Earth was round. As far as I was aware everyone else believed it too. But then I stumbled upon FES and was able to question my beliefs. After a long time of torturous inner mental debate I finally realised the truth. That the Earth is flat. Frankly when you consider both theories with an open mind, FET just makes more sense. RET is just full of all kinds of shit like floating oceans which just doesn't make sense.

Thank you for your personal out-coming. For me, I tried the graviton interceptor experiment and new no such thing existed. Once I started to consider that RET could be wrong, I looked at evidence with an open mind. Armed with science, it took me weeks to stumble upon this site and it's doctrines. The earth is flat!
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2008, 08:36:18 PM »
I have been taught by the scientific world that the Earth is spherical, but I have never been to space, so I will remain open-minded. That is why I am here.
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eric bloedow

Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2008, 08:46:27 PM »
amazing. you guys really believe that some mysterious, unmeasureable force that supposedly makes everything in the universe accelerate in the same direction at the same rate is MORE likely than easily measureable gravity?

sounds like this cartoon:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0546.html

oh, and your table is flat because it was designed and built BY HUMANS to be flat. extrapolating the ENTIRE WORLD from such a small, ARTIFICAL object is like expecting everyone in the world to look EXACTLY LIKE YOU!

overwelming evidence of FE? LUNACY! the evidence is overwelmingly in favor of RE, and only someone STUPID enough to believe the FE "conspiracy" claim would think otherwise!

do you have any idea just how huge and complicated scientists believe the universe is? watch THIS video:

(you will have to turn the sound up to hear the narration)
BTW, i first saw that video at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago, Illinois, USA.

you guys really think NASA could fake stuff like this:
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2008, 08:55:08 PM »
Quote from: eric bloedow on May 06, 2008, 08:46:27 PM
amazing. you guys really believe that some mysterious, unmeasureable force that supposedly makes everything in the universe accelerate in the same direction at the same rate is MORE likely than easily measureable gravity?

Your gravity isn't mysterious? And how is RE gravity any less measurable than our UA?
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2008, 09:13:28 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on May 06, 2008, 08:55:08 PM
Quote from: eric bloedow on May 06, 2008, 08:46:27 PM
amazing. you guys really believe that some mysterious, unmeasureable force that supposedly makes everything in the universe accelerate in the same direction at the same rate is MORE likely than easily measureable gravity?

Your gravity isn't mysterious? And how is RE gravity any less measurable than our UA?

No, it's not mysterious, if you studied physics, it should be clear really...
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2008, 09:17:11 PM »
Perhaps you could explain gravity to me. Start with one of:

A magical particle is created without any energy being consumed, that does not interact with matter, yet interacts with matter and travels at speed infinity telling super massive bodies to change their velocity without, again, consuming any energy...

A special super-invisible space-time fabric (not available at craft stores) holds all massive objects glued to it and it moves around, but there is no communication between objects, they are just reacting to a super awesome fabric that, again, doesn't communicate anything...

Unmeasurable waves permeate throughout the galaxy, containing no energy or mass yet lots of information and make super massive objects react to their presence by having both no mass and no energy, their literal non-existence makes planets and stars move...
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2008, 09:20:04 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on May 06, 2008, 09:17:11 PM
Perhaps you could explain gravity to me. Start with one of:

A magical particle is created without any energy being consumed, that does not interact with matter, yet interacts with matter and travels at speed infinity telling super massive bodies to change their velocity without, again, consuming any energy...

A special super-invisible space-time fabric (not available at craft stores) holds all massive objects glued to it and it moves around, but there is no communication between objects, they are just reacting to a super awesome fabric that, again, doesn't communicate anything...

Unmeasurable waves permeate throughout the galaxy, containing no energy or mass yet lots of information and make super massive objects react to their presence by having both no mass and no energy, their literal non-existence makes planets and stars move...

Gravity is not a particle, it's a force which relies on objects following laws.

For the second one, you might as well not believe in cells or molecular bonds.

Again, gravity is not an object, it's a force...
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2008, 09:22:26 PM »
Those are the three leading theories in RET of the mechanism behind gravity. If you don't believe in any of them, what are we discussing?
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2008, 09:23:22 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on May 06, 2008, 09:22:26 PM
Those are the three leading theories in RET of the mechanism behind gravity. If you don't believe in any of them, what are we discussing?

We're not discussing anything, you said you didn't understand gravity...

Now I'm saying "Look it up yourself"
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2008, 09:25:41 PM »
I'm saying gravity is "mysterious"
You were saying it wasn't
You are now saying it is even more mysterious
And I'm left wondering why you said anything at all.
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2008, 09:33:27 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on May 06, 2008, 09:25:41 PM
I'm saying gravity is "mysterious"
You were saying it wasn't
You are now saying it is even more mysterious
And I'm left wondering why you said anything at all.

I didn't say it's more mysterious, you're using your own ignorance to support your argument, it doesn't work that way.
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2008, 09:36:02 PM »
You denied the three theoretical mechanisms for gravity in RET. That means you believe RET has no theory on gravities underlying mechanism. So you are basically in the position of saying, "gravity exists because I feel it." I'm in the position of saying, "the finite supply of dark matter fuels the UA and propels the earth upwards."

How is gravity less mysterious than an actual mechanism?
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2008, 09:38:46 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on May 06, 2008, 09:36:02 PM
You denied the three theoretical mechanisms for gravity in RET. That means you believe RET has no theory on gravities underlying mechanism. So you are basically in the position of saying, "gravity exists because I feel it." I'm in the position of saying, "the finite supply of dark matter fuels the UA and propels the earth upwards."

How is gravity less mysterious than an actual mechanism?

You seem to think that the theory of gravity is somehow the whole center of the roundness of the earth.

Like I said, if you don't understand gravity and it's subjects, then you are in no position to discuss it.
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2008, 09:40:29 PM »
It seems I understand it better than you do. You seem to deny your own theories, disown them, and claim ignorance. We are discussing gravity. Gravity is at the heart of round-earthism.


Another victory for FE!!!
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2008, 09:43:49 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on May 06, 2008, 09:40:29 PM
It seems I understand it better than you do. You seem to deny your own theories, disown them, and claim ignorance. We are discussing gravity. Gravity is at the heart of round-earthism.

No you don't, the questions you are asking are covered in basic gravitational sciences, then you single out holes in theories and use that to disprove the whole big picture.

Quote from: narcberry on May 06, 2008, 09:40:29 PM
Another victory for FE!!!

Victory? Is this some game to you? Is it true, are you just a troll?
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2008, 09:45:47 PM »
Can you please explain gravity to me?
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Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2008, 09:46:40 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on May 06, 2008, 09:45:47 PM
Can you please explain gravity to me?

You don't know it? I don't know why I have to spoon feed you when you are the one making outrageous claims.
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