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What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?

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jdoe

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What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« on: May 02, 2008, 04:15:12 PM »
Tom had a thread going about someone who was able to see across Monteray Bay and measure the size of the earth.  I attempted to correct one of his calculations, but the thread got locked later.  I even PMed him to show him his mistake, but then the thread disappeared.  What happened?
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2008, 05:08:07 PM »
I deleted it because you RE'ers can't stay on topic.
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2008, 05:47:11 PM »
And you can't read...
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2008, 06:01:18 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 02, 2008, 05:08:07 PM
I deleted it because you RE'ers can't stay on topic.

I don't recall the thread getting too off topic.  As I remember, we were discussing ways to measure the drop on a round earth.  I accounted for the ellipsoidal shape of the earth and found the drop to only be 23 feet, putting the power plant in full view.  This is a perfectly reasonable explanation for the observations.  I don't understand why you think the thread was going off topic.
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2008, 06:08:16 PM »
For those who wanted to contribute, Tom Bishop found a reasonably good verification of the roundness of the Earth and mistakenly decided that it proved his idea of a flat Earth. The link is:

http://www.icogitate.com/~ergosum/essays/vtth/viewtothehorizon.htm

And you can twist it like you want, but it gives a good idea about how to adjust your measurements depending on the refraction through different layers of cold and hot air, in case your observations have that distortion.
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2008, 06:31:57 PM »
So "distortion" is exactly equal to your model minus observed reality?
How convenient. If only FE had the need for such a clever mechanism, we might envy your ownership of it.
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2008, 06:55:06 PM »
Quote from: jdoe on May 02, 2008, 04:15:12 PM
Tom had a thread going about someone who was able to see across Monteray Bay and measure the size of the earth.  I attempted to correct one of his calculations, but the thread got locked later.  I even PMed him to show him his mistake, but then the thread disappeared.  What happened?

I'll admit, that's a new low for Tom.  I saw the thread and wanted to post but it was already locked.  Seems he locked it down once he realized he was losing that argument.
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2008, 07:37:11 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on May 02, 2008, 06:31:57 PM
So "distortion" is exactly equal to your model minus observed reality?
How convenient. If only FE had the need for such a clever mechanism, we might envy your ownership of it.
The distortion, according to the author of the page, is calculated according to expected atmospheric temperature and pressure, and is found to be about one third of the complete measurement.

The assertion that the distortion exactly matches the model minus the observed reality is Tom Bishop's very poor reading of the article. The real data provided in the article says that the distortion is about one third of the measurement.

You can argue that the quantification of the refraction due to differing temperatures and pressures of the air is somewhat imprecise, but what you cannot argue is that the article somehow proved a flat Earth.

If you can demolish this article by proving that the refraction is three times stronger than claimed and opposite in direction from what is claimed, please do so. Otherwise, the article is very bad news for Flat Earthers.
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2008, 09:00:10 PM »
So you agree.
We see X, RE predicts Y, so refraction = X - Y. The miracle variable "refraction," get one today to give balance to all your quirky equations.
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2008, 08:09:19 AM »
Quote from: narcberry on May 02, 2008, 09:00:10 PM
So you agree.
We see X, RE predicts Y, so refraction = X - Y. The miracle variable "refraction," get one today to give balance to all your quirky equations.
Your reading abilities are still abysmal. Refraction is not X - Y, it is calculated like this: "The ratio of distances along top and bottom is the ratio of their speeds. In meters, (D+Δd)/D = (299713000 + 7.65Δh) / 299713000. That is, (Δd/Δh) = 2.55 x 10-8 D".

You may agree or disagree with the author, but the argument he makes is absolutely different from the argument you are rebutting. Try, for once, understanding the argument and then presenting an opposition that really addresses the author's position.
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2008, 08:20:29 AM »
Quote from: narcberry on May 02, 2008, 09:00:10 PM
So you agree.
We see X, RE predicts Y, so refraction = X - Y. The miracle variable "refraction," get one today to give balance to all your quirky equations.

At least our refraction doesn't bend to extremes...
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2008, 09:32:13 AM »
I thought FE and RE had the same ideas on refraction? FET gets an iSuck, just for that.
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Quote from: Baseball4Life on April 16, 2010, 09:54:41 AM
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eric bloedow

Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2008, 02:50:59 PM »
nope, FE has a completely different refraction equation, invented by robotham to "explain" why surveying telescopes don't point exactly at the horizon when "leveled". i'm sure Tom will drag it out again soon.
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2008, 03:32:45 PM »
Quote from: trig on May 03, 2008, 08:09:19 AM
Quote from: narcberry on May 02, 2008, 09:00:10 PM
So you agree.
We see X, RE predicts Y, so refraction = X - Y. The miracle variable "refraction," get one today to give balance to all your quirky equations.
Your reading abilities are still abysmal. Refraction is not X - Y, it is calculated like this: "The ratio of distances along top and bottom is the ratio of their speeds. In meters, (D+Δd)/D = (299713000 + 7.65Δh) / 299713000. That is, (Δd/Δh) = 2.55 x 10-8 D".

The third time you've defined refraction as difference between your models predictions and reality.
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2008, 03:49:03 PM »
There's a difference between your reality and everyone else's. Ours really is reality.
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Quote from: Baseball4Life on April 16, 2010, 09:54:41 AM
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narcberry

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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2008, 03:50:35 PM »
Quote from: iPot maker. on May 03, 2008, 03:49:03 PM
There's a difference between your reality and everyone else's. Ours really is reality.

Let me refer to the reality of referenced RE'er, of whom we've all been speaking for some time. Thanks for joining the party late, but we're all out of cake, thanks for stopping by.
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2008, 04:02:08 PM »
This clearly wasn't much of a party, so it doesn't bother me.
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Quote from: Baseball4Life on April 16, 2010, 09:54:41 AM
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Logic hopeful

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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2008, 05:59:33 PM »
Don't let Narc get to you iPot, he's just trying to drag things off topic.
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2008, 03:37:43 AM »
Have an iPot. Narc, answer the fucking question, Tom, it isn't us. Look below!

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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2008, 03:59:51 AM »
il tel u wat hapened 2 ur thread. UR MUM HAPENED 2 IT.
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2008, 04:04:31 AM »
Where are mods when you want them? If I had mod powers I'd be all "You, troll" and they'd be all "lulwut" and I'd be all up in their grill and like totally smack them upside the head with my banhammer of ownage. I'd also ban Narc and Tom, just for being so retarded.
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Quote from: Baseball4Life on April 16, 2010, 09:54:41 AM
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2008, 07:24:46 AM »
Quote from: narcberry on May 03, 2008, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: trig on May 03, 2008, 08:09:19 AM
Quote from: narcberry on May 02, 2008, 09:00:10 PM
So you agree.
We see X, RE predicts Y, so refraction = X - Y. The miracle variable "refraction," get one today to give balance to all your quirky equations.
Your reading abilities are still abysmal. Refraction is not X - Y, it is calculated like this: "The ratio of distances along top and bottom is the ratio of their speeds. In meters, (D+Δd)/D = (299713000 + 7.65Δh) / 299713000. That is, (Δd/Δh) = 2.55 x 10-8 D".

The third time you've defined refraction as difference between your models predictions and reality.
If you had read the article instead of trying to put your own words into it, you would have found that the result of not taking the refraction into account would have been a calculated diameter of the Earth of some 16000 kilometers, which is an imprecise result but still a solid demonstration of a spherical Earth. The experiment is not very good as a means to get an exact value for the diameter of the Earth, but it clearly shows a curvature, either taking or not taking into account the refraction of the light in the atmosphere.

Please read carefully! Nobody asked you to believe in this author's results, but the attempt to use the article in your favor while denying its soundness is appallingly just demonstrates that you cannot follow a scientific argument.
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eric bloedow

Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2008, 10:12:43 AM »
oh, that's the problem: all the mods are fanatical FErs who think it's normal for FErs to fling vicious insults at non-FErs, but quickly ban any non-FEr who responds in kind...and that's what happened to the monterey bay thread: he got banned for insulting the FErs BACK!

in short, nutcases like Tom ARE the mods here!
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2008, 10:45:17 AM »
The only online mods here are Engy and occasionally dogplatter, who actually banned Tom for a while. Gayer should be a mod, or Midnight, who at least doesn't care whether the Earth is round or flat, and trolls both sides equally. Only Tom and Narc fling insults.
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Quote from: Baseball4Life on April 16, 2010, 09:54:41 AM
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2008, 10:55:50 AM »
Quote from: eric bloedow on May 04, 2008, 10:12:43 AM
in short, nutcases like Tom ARE the mods here!

More Eric Bloedow bullshit.  Honestly, dude, are you capable of being correct, or of telling the truth?  ::)

I think I should be a mod.
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2008, 11:00:48 AM »
You should. But you're just below Gayer priority-wise.
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2008, 11:09:55 AM »
Quote from: eric bloedow on May 04, 2008, 10:12:43 AM
oh, that's the problem: all the mods are fanatical FErs who think it's normal for FErs to fling vicious insults at non-FErs, but quickly ban any non-FEr who responds in kind...and that's what happened to the monterey bay thread: he got banned for insulting the FErs BACK!

in short, nutcases like Tom ARE the mods here!

I am certain there are other boards out there on which you can inflict your odious presence. If your statement is true (or even if you just perceive it to be), why in the world would you stay here? You're on a board that professes a belief different than yours. You're clearly not interested in honest exchange of ideas based on your tone. Further you apparently had a temper tantrum at an earlier date where you stomped off and left after telling everyone to pound sand. Just be honest. The only reason you're here is to troll. Or ego. Perhaps both.
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2008, 11:10:58 AM »
He's just not smart enough to understand that he serves absolutely no purpose here.
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eric bloedow

Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2008, 02:38:07 PM »
oh, i am trying to encourage people to use their brains, instead of mindlessly repeating the same bullshit over and over, like Tom Bishop does!
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Re: What happened to the Monterey Bay thread?
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2008, 02:39:43 PM »
Quote from: eric bloedow on May 04, 2008, 10:12:43 AM
oh, that's the problem: all the mods are fanatical FErs who think it's normal for FErs to fling vicious insults at non-FErs, but quickly ban any non-FEr who responds in kind...and that's what happened to the monterey bay thread: he got banned for insulting the FErs BACK!

in short, nutcases like Tom ARE the mods here!

Ban non-FEers, huh?  They're like, 70 of them.  Out of 5 FEers, they're a little slow, huh?

And you can ban threads?  WUT?  No, Tom Bishop himself closed it.
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