Schrödinger's earth

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narcberry

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Schrödinger's earth
« on: April 29, 2008, 10:31:46 PM »
Even for an RE'er

A obfuscating box of ignorance was placed over the earth. Before the box was lifted by gifted intellectuals the earth was flat, round, and various other shapes. So admit it, the earth was at least, once flat.

Another victory for FE!!!

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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2008, 12:02:06 AM »
Yeeah!  All is revealed by being unrevealed. 

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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2008, 07:42:39 AM »
Even for an RE'er

A obfuscating box of ignorance was placed over the earth. Before the box was lifted by gifted intellectuals the earth was flat, round, and various other shapes. So admit it, the earth was at least, once flat.

Another victory for FE!!!

No fair!!  You changed the results by observing them!!  >:(
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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2008, 11:01:26 AM »
I believe that on a quantum level teh earth is both flat and round.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2008, 06:13:44 AM »
Even for an RE'er

A obfuscating box of ignorance was placed over the earth. Before the box was lifted by gifted intellectuals the earth was flat, round, and various other shapes. So admit it, the earth was at least, once flat.

Another victory for FE!!!

More like                                               EPIC FAIL
The Earth is round. Get the hell over it.
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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2008, 07:18:18 AM »
You can prove a lot of stuff with quantum theory.  I suppose I'll make a small concession here.  The Earth was flat, until man went into space and observed that it was round.
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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2008, 09:02:49 AM »
You can prove a lot of stuff with quantum theory.  I suppose I'll make a small concession here.  The Earth was flat, until man went into space and observed that it was round.
I am sorry to disagree, but throwing a bone to these dogs usually ends up with bite marks in your hand.

Uncertainty at a subatomic level does not mean uncertainty at the macroscopic level, and certainly not at a cosmic level. The uncertainty in the state of one particle, when averaged with the uncertainties of countless trillions of other particles, ends up in no uncertainty at all.

Anyone who knows what the "Schrödinger's cat" thought experiment means already knows that these guys are embarrassing themselves without any help.

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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2008, 09:16:53 AM »
Some people seem to know a lot but understand little.
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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2008, 10:28:20 AM »
Uncertainty at a subatomic level does not mean uncertainty at the macroscopic level, and certainly not at a cosmic level. The uncertainty in the state of one particle, when averaged with the uncertainties of countless trillions of other particles, ends up in no uncertainty at all.

I disagree.  If you think that there are an infinite number of other worlds, as MWI implies, that "countless trillions of other particles" suddenly starts looking very small.
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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2008, 11:04:00 AM »
No. Under quantum theory, if there is a possibility of direct observation, then the quantum state collapses. There does not actually need to be an observer. There are many theories to explain this behavior, such as decoherence theory, and so on, but what is certain is that an observer does not need to exist for the collapse to occur, there just has to be the possibility of observation.
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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2008, 09:05:42 PM »
No. Under quantum theory, if there is a possibility of direct observation, then the quantum state collapses. There does not actually need to be an observer. There are many theories to explain this behavior, such as decoherence theory, and so on, but what is certain is that an observer does not need to exist for the collapse to occur, there just has to be the possibility of observation.

Precicely.
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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2008, 09:48:40 AM »
So....all the cats are ok?
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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2008, 11:45:19 AM »
No. Half the cats are dead and half of them are alive. None of them are in-between... :D

This of course, assumes the "perfect" micro to macroscopic quantum communicator, which some theories forbid.
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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2008, 02:08:58 PM »

Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2008, 06:20:49 PM »
Ok. So long as we're non-fatally shooting cats and sending them halfway to africa, we have a scenario where they are as good as dead, but possibly still alive.

Huzzah! The cats are ok! Get them on the boat before the conspiracy finds them!
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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2008, 06:29:09 PM »

There is a 50% chance he's provin Schrodinger rite.

Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2008, 08:26:12 PM »
Nope. He's been observed. There is no longer a quantum uncertainty, therefore Schrodinger no longer applies.
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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2008, 10:23:30 AM »
All this is irrelevent when you consider that the whole integrity of the FE theory necessitates the denunciation of so much scientific obsevation.

Not to mention the ludicrous amounts of speculation.

Come on, you do accept that the FE society essentially created observations to justify a pre-determined hypothesis, so all this deliberation about the irreducibly complex nature of Quantum Theory is essentially pointless.

Does anyone here actually have a degree in Physics, or did you all qualify from the University of Wikipedia?
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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2008, 11:25:40 AM »
I'm sorry; I don't accept model criticism from people named after fecal matter (or bears for that matter -- and ursine fecal matter is right out).
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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2008, 11:38:38 AM »
Oh, name related slander? I see the Fe lobby has long surpassed actual argument and now resorts to seemingly random slander.

Now, does anyone here actually have any kind of physics degree, or would it be easier to mindlessly parrot hilarious insults rather than answer my question?

Lulz  ;)
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narcberry

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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2008, 01:28:12 PM »
I have a degree in physics.

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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2008, 01:31:12 PM »
I am a doctor

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narcberry

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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2008, 01:32:00 PM »
There, we have proved our credentials.

Another victory for FE!!!

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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2008, 01:34:42 PM »
It's not in physics though, it's in medicine. Evil medicine

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The Great Mighty Poo

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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2008, 01:36:11 PM »
Narcberry, having a degree in Physics and believing in a flat Earth are mutually exclusive.

Yes. My name is Al Capwn.
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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2008, 01:38:54 PM »
Not necessarily, you could do the physics degree, then afterwards go a bit nuts (or to use the proper medicine terminology - "cabbaged up in the head") and start thinking the world is flat.

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The Great Mighty Poo

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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2008, 01:43:15 PM »
Yeahhhh. You're just another crazy physicist aren't you narcberry..

what's your real name, incidentally?

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narcberry

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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2008, 03:35:29 PM »
Narcberry, having a degree in Physics and believing in a flat Earth are mutually exclusive.

I don't think you've met too many RE'ers here then.

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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2008, 03:40:17 PM »
But really, is this society a joke? I find it difficult to concieve how anyone could dismiss hundreds of scientific observations in the face of mindless speculation.

Because that's what it is, isn't it; mindless speculation.

Glorious Leader Narcberry, explain to me the basis of your belief.

Or sink this society.
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narcberry

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Re: Schrödinger's earth
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2008, 03:42:28 PM »
But really, is this society a joke? I find it difficult to concieve how anyone could dismiss hundreds of scientific observations in the face of mindless speculation.

Because that's what it is, isn't it; mindless speculation.

Glorious Leader Narcberry, explain to me the basis of your belief.

Or sink this society.

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