Where's that atmosphere? Wait...where's the sun? Where's all life on earth?!

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Blaze

According to the faq the earth doesn't have a gravitational pull, but everything else does. First of all, this is pure nonsence.  And the only explination is that it's "special?" Secondly, where's the atmosphere?  If there's no gravity, then one of 2 things could occur. 1) The air molecules simply drift of the edge. 2) the air molecules would be compacted to the point that everything would be crushed under the pressure. Also, then in order to have the feeling of moving upwards to simulate gravity, one would need an oppisite force to be pulling agianst.  That would mean that the universe would need a floor, and that would have gravity to pull agianst, but then the earth would be pulled downwards and we would all be in free-fall.  The only way for the system to work, is if the earth was round, and had it's own gravity.

If the sun is so close then there would be no polar ice caps, because they would be melted by the heat that it generates. plus, the sun would run out of fuel after a few hundred years because it's so small.  And the molecules can't be compressed to a point where the sun would have enough energy to burn this long, because it'd then turn into a black hole and the earth would be sucked into it. therefore, the sun must be massive, far away, and we must orbit around it.

Lastly, why is the government so bent on hiding the earth's flatness.  They seemed to be okay with it originally. and if every piolet, sailor, officer, etc. was in on it; then at least a third of the population would know, and by then, there'd be no point in hiding it.  Also, the reasoning behind it is even worse.  basically it's "because they don't menchen that the world is flat then it must be flat." that's just like saying, "because I didn't say that I have an Xbox, then I must have an Xbox." also, if nobody has seen the earths edge, then how come people seem to have so much info on the ice wall? it's all made up, mainly due to overactive imaginations.  There's also no way nasa would fake about a hundred launchs, and several deaths. They could've just said that space travel is impossible, and then moved on.

Now that that's over, I shall return to my poker game with bigfoot and Elvis.

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1) Gravity as a force does not exist.  I know it is probably really hard for you to accept, but it is true.
2) Why would the force that the air molecules 'feel' increase?
3) A floor?  WTF?


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Blaze

1) Gravity as a force does not exist.  I know it is probably really hard for you to accept, but it is true.
2) Why would the force that the air molecules 'feel' increase?
3) A floor?  WTF?

1) That seems to disagree with many other the world is flat theories. Plus gravitons and 4-dimensional physics also disagree with you.
2)inertia (similar to how in a car you are pressed into your seat as you accelerate, but continuosly due that for billions of years, and you'd have some problems)
3) a simple example, what I meant was that there would need to be something acting as an oppisite force, otherwise, we might as well be in the vacum of space.

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1) No it does not disagree with any theory.  Except for maybe your theory on how the world works.
2) Use some very simple math to show the increasing force felt.  I'll give you a hint for the formula: Newton's 2nd.
3) Right.  That is called Dark Energy.


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Blaze

1) No it does not disagree with any theory.  Except for maybe your theory on how the world works.
2) Use some very simple math to show the increasing force felt.  I'll give you a hint for the formula: Newton's 2nd.
3) Right.  That is called Dark Energy.


1)that theory being? I was going off of the FAQ, which seems to say that it does.
2)I don't have enough info of the "flat earth" to calculate that. like the mass for example.
3)then you agree with me in that the earth would be pulled downward and that it can't be used to make gravity.
4) what about the rest of my post? even if I did get some stuff wrong in the first paragraph, the other two are still plenty to refute the theories.

Also, how would a mass like the "flat earth" form? in a round earth at least it's possible due to gravity, but with no gravity, what's even holding it together? Let alone making it flat.

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And the only explination is that it's "special?"

No.

Secondly, where's the atmosphere?

Right where we left it. 

1) The air molecules simply drift of the edge. 2) the air molecules would be compacted to the point that everything would be crushed under the pressure.

1, yes. 2, no.

Also, then in order to have the feeling of moving upwards to simulate gravity, one would need an oppisite force to be pulling agianst.  That would mean that the universe would need a floor, and that would have gravity to pull agianst, but then the earth would be pulled downwards and we would all be in free-fall.

You'll have to explain your floor theory in more detail as it makes no sense.

If the sun is so close then there would be no polar ice caps, because they would be melted by the heat that it generates. plus, the sun would run out of fuel after a few hundred years because it's so small.

And obviously, you're wrong. There are polar ice caps and the sun is still going.
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1)that theory being? I was going off of the FAQ, which seems to say that it does.
2)I don't have enough info of the "flat earth" to calculate that. like the mass for example.
3)then you agree with me in that the earth would be pulled downward and that it can't be used to make gravity.
4) what about the rest of my post? even if I did get some stuff wrong in the first paragraph, the other two are still plenty to refute the theories.

1) The FAQ does?
2) Use your mass.  Show us how the force you would feel increases.
3) No.  Hell no.
4) I liked the first one too much.


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According to the faq the earth doesn't have a gravitational pull, but everything else does. First of all, this is pure nonsence.  And the only explination is that it's "special?" Secondly, where's the atmosphere?  If there's no gravity, then one of 2 things could occur. 1) The air molecules simply drift of the edge. 2) the air molecules would be compacted to the point that everything would be crushed under the pressure. Also, then in order to have the feeling of moving upwards to simulate gravity, one would need an oppisite force to be pulling agianst.  That would mean that the universe would need a floor, and that would have gravity to pull agianst, but then the earth would be pulled downwards and we would all be in free-fall.  The only way for the system to work, is if the earth was round, and had it's own gravity.

1) No they wouldn't , the air is accelerating.

2) Why?  Equivalence Principle.  Acceleration is exactly like gravitation.  You might as well say that about the Round Earth.

3) WTF?  No.  The Earth is accelerating upwards, simulating a gravitational pull.  There's no need for a "floor".

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Also, then in order to have the feeling of moving upwards to simulate gravity, one would need an oppisite force to be pulling agianst.  That would mean that the universe would need a floor, and that would have gravity to pull agianst, but then the earth would be pulled downwards and we would all be in free-fall.  The only way for the system to work, is if the earth was round, and had it's own gravity.


3) WTF?  No.  The Earth is accelerating upwards, simulating a gravitational pull.  There's no need for a "floor".

I could be wrong, but I think that what he's getting at with the "floor" thing has to do with the action-reaction thing.  The UA is pushing against the bottom of the FE.  However, what the UA pushing against at the other end? 

Imagine a rifle where the FE is the bullet.  When you pull the trigger, the gunpowder burns creating a tremendous pressure (the UA).  This pressure acts against bullet accelerating it down the barrel.  However, the pressure is also acting against the rifle itself in an equal and opposite direction from the action against the bullet.

So, if the FE is the bullet and the UA is the burning gun powder, then where is the rifle (the "floor" that he is referring to)?
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So, if the FE is the bullet and the UA is the burning gun powder, then where is the rifle (the "floor" that he is referring to)?

The rifle exists in a state of multi-dimensional cascadence 13.73 billion years ago at the moment of the big bang.

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So, if the FE is the bullet and the UA is the burning gun powder, then where is the rifle (the "floor" that he is referring to)?

The rifle exists in a state of multi-dimensional cascadence 13.73 billion years ago at the moment of the big bang.

Would you care to elaborate?
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He's saying the Big Bang theory works for a FE model. Which it doesn't.

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markjo

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He's saying the Big Bang theory works for a FE model. Which it doesn't.

Actually, I'm really interested in hearing his explanation of "multi-dimensional cascadence" and how that relates to anything.  Although I'm guessing that it's just another example of his famous "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with BS" routine.
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Would you care to elaborate?

As an elaboration on the multi-dimensional cadence, the Big Bang did not occur from nothing; the mechanism was actually the result of higher dimensions collapsing unto themselves. This collapsing of higher dimensions is what sparked the Big Bang and gave rise to the universal constants which permeate our universe.

As far as where those higher dimensions came from, or what came before the Big Bang, that will be a subject forever unknown to human knowledge as all evidence had been wiped clean at the moment of the Big Bang.
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eric bloedow

let me translate tom's answer: "it's magic."

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Tom Bishop

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let me translate tom's answer: "it's magic."

You think String Theory is magic?  ???

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eric bloedow

well, considering that string theory requires there to be 11 dimensions, and that there is absolutely zero evidence that even 5 dimensions exist...

oh, and where would those higher dimensions come from in the first place?

Does string theory allow for a universe floor? A universe dance floor.

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well, considering that string theory requires there to be 11 dimensions, and that there is absolutely zero evidence that even 5 dimensions exist...

oh, and where would those higher dimensions come from in the first place?

So your problem is more with cosmology in general and not flat earth...
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And obviously, you're wrong. There are polar ice caps and the sun is still going.

Which means that the sun can't be only 32 miles in diameter.

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OR that it isn't as hot as you assume it to be. Isn't that a fair answer?
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EARTH IS ROUND

OR that it isn't as hot as you assume it to be. Isn't that a fair answer?

I suppose so, but that would disprove all theories about the sun burning at thousands of degrees, which would probably mean that the sun isn't composed of hydrogen and helium, among other gases.

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It might not be, but I wouldn't presume to know. I don't think an atomic fusion device would melt ice 3000 miles away when detonated.
"Never think you can turn over any old falsehood without a terrible squirming of the horrid little population that dwells under it." -O.W. Holmes "Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne.."

It might not be, but I wouldn't presume to know. I don't think an atomic fusion device would melt ice 3000 miles away when detonated.

True, but we are talking about a "huge" ball of combustible gas, just exploding all the time. 32 miles is pretty big for a flaming ball, so I'm sure that would definitely do some damage.

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I'll agree that it might even burn your skin if you left it exposed while it was was near. I'm sure it melts ice as well. I've seen it. I just haven't seen anything suggesting it would be sufficient to melt all the ice caps as you suggested.
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3) Right.  That is called Dark Energy.

No, isn't that what's making it move up?
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

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Uh, yes.


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