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An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect

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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2008, 10:04:24 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on April 21, 2008, 07:33:36 PM
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This is just flat-out untrue.

From Zetetic Cosmogony by Thomas Winship we read:











How does your model of the earth explain away these multiple detailed first-hand accounts?
For the love of fuck, Tom. Please make your own FAQ so that I don't have to read the same fucking jpeg'd shite for the billionth time.
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2008, 10:10:09 PM »
First Hand Accounts are not evidence.  People can say anything.

And Tom-Bot, why not just paraphrase the pages?
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2008, 10:20:33 PM »
I think he doesn't paraphrase them because he hasn't actually read them himself, as evidenced by his little binocular stumble :)
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2008, 10:49:43 PM »
Quote from: Trekky0623 on April 21, 2008, 05:10:46 PM
All right, I want so clarification on the FE sinking effect.

I see a couple of possibilities:

1. The Waves Theory
2. "Light Bends" Theory
3. Rowbotham's Perspective Laws
4. Atmospheric Distortion

So what exactly causes the sinking ship effect?

Threads about sinking ships:  betcha can't make just one! 
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2008, 11:04:31 PM »
Quote from: Logic hopeful on April 22, 2008, 01:29:36 PM
Cpt. bthimes beat you already when he took all of those pictures.  His camera lens (And he used a telephoto lens by the way not just his zoom function) is the same as the magnification of a telescope.  Bthimes didn't show any restoration of the ship or the island he took pictures of.

He performed forty hours of collective legwork taking photographs and submitted them.
Only to get himself banned.  What a fool.
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2008, 01:12:44 PM »
The way I understood it Cpt. bthime's banning had little to do with the data he presented, it was because he was being rude.  I don't see why his banning should discredit the data he presented.
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2008, 01:15:22 PM »
I said he did all that work only to get himself banned.  His work had nothing to do with the banning.  He is a fool because so much work was lost.
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2008, 01:16:25 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 23, 2008, 01:15:22 PM
I said he did all that work only to get himself banned.  His work had nothing to do with the banning.  He is a fool because so much work was lost.
How is it lost?
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2008, 06:29:34 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 23, 2008, 01:15:22 PM
I said he did all that work only to get himself banned.  His work had nothing to do with the banning.  He is a fool because so much work was lost.

Ah, my mistake.  Sorry.
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2008, 06:34:45 PM »
Gulliver Syndrome.  ;D
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2008, 09:09:24 PM »
Quote from: Kill-9 on April 23, 2008, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 23, 2008, 01:15:22 PM
I said he did all that work only to get himself banned.  His work had nothing to do with the banning.  He is a fool because so much work was lost.
How is it lost?
Because...he is banned... :-\
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2008, 09:26:46 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 23, 2008, 09:09:24 PM
Quote from: Kill-9 on April 23, 2008, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 23, 2008, 01:15:22 PM
I said he did all that work only to get himself banned.  His work had nothing to do with the banning.  He is a fool because so much work was lost.
How is it lost?
Because...he is banned... :-\
The forum software I've run in the past (including this one) doesn't delete the user's posts without deleting them manually. Was this done, or do his posts still exist?
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2008, 09:46:45 PM »
Why would his posts be deleted?
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2008, 09:54:11 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 23, 2008, 09:46:45 PM
Why would his posts be deleted?
You're saying it's lost. If its not deleted, its not lost.
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #44 on: April 23, 2008, 11:13:32 PM »
LOST TO HIM. 


Good Lord.
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #45 on: April 23, 2008, 11:18:35 PM »
I didn't realize he got banned.  Thats too bad.  Oh well.
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2008, 01:53:59 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 23, 2008, 11:13:32 PM
LOST TO HIM. 


Good Lord.
You weren't specific enough.
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2008, 08:05:29 AM »
Quote from: Kill-9 on April 24, 2008, 01:53:59 AM
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 23, 2008, 11:13:32 PM
LOST TO HIM. 


Good Lord.
You weren't specific enough.

Thanks for the clarification, Divito. 
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2008, 07:15:51 PM »
as i understand it, robotham witnessed an EXTREMELY rare weather/air phenomenon that made it possible to see a ship very far away, but both he and Tom ASSUMED that is NORMAL and that every other observer in the world is LYING/WRONG.

oh, and i remember reading about those "telescope made ship reappear" observations: the telescope in question was permanently mounted on top of a 100 foot high platform! so obviously it was the extra HEIGHT, not the telescope, that let them see it after it disappeared from the PERSPECTIVE of someone closer to sea level!
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2008, 07:37:03 PM »
why do you CAPITALISE random words in your SENTENCES/PARAGRAPHS? and not even the FIRST letter in the SENTENCE?
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2008, 07:43:05 PM »
It helps his weak eyes see the words when he types.
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2008, 08:01:59 PM »
oh, it's a silly habit of mine, i capitalize words for EMPHASIS, because it's easier than doing italics, boldface, etc.
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2008, 11:21:02 PM »
THE EARTH = ROUND
YOUR MOM = FLAT
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2008, 11:25:14 PM »
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2008, 11:27:14 PM »
WELCOME TO REAL EARTH, MAY I TAKE YOUR IQ? WHAT? ITS UNDER 6? YOU MUST DIE
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #55 on: May 04, 2008, 04:30:37 PM »
so once again the FErs show that they can't discuss things reasonably or rationally, they can only fling insults.
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Re: An In Depth Discussion on the Sinking Ship Effect
« Reply #56 on: May 05, 2008, 08:45:08 AM »
Cpt Bthimes was banned!? That is a real blow against the REers on this forum.

Anyway, the sinking ship effect cannot be explained by Tom's magical laws of perspective. His argument makes absolutely no sense. A handful of eyewitness accounts may seem compelling... until you realize that there are millions of eyewitness accounts from people who saw ship's hulls disappearing over the horizon.

Tom seems to think that ships' hulls are actually intelligent creatures that can tell whether or not you're looking at them through the proper FE-approve telescope and decide whether or not to show themselves accordingly.

What a magical world Tom must live in! When the hull of a ship is far enough that its apparent size is "beyond the resolution of the human eye" (i.e. less than one minute of a degree) the rest of the ship (which is the same distance away) somehow isn't! So the human eye is designed to selectively not see ships' hulls!
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