The sun and north star positions

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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2008, 10:14:57 AM »
I actually went outside at night and found the position of Polaris. I had to (it was homework for Earth Science). So no, I'm not just claiming these. I didn't find the position of the sun during an equinox, though. But that doesn't really matter, because as markjo said, Tom and Mr Rowbotham used these positions.

EDIT: You can figure out the position of Polaris yourself if you don't believe me. It doesn't take long at all.

I knew it! You have recently taken earth science!

Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2008, 10:16:20 AM »
If that is what the whole conspiracy is about then why isn't Tom Bishop dead? I would have expected them to kill him (most likely staging and accident so nobody gets blamed) before he got the "truth" out.
30,000 feet isn't very high. It's certainly possible to breath.
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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2008, 10:18:05 AM »
The gnome is right, someone go kill Tom.

Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2008, 03:15:05 PM »
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THE EARTH IS ROUND BECAUSE IF YOU WALK ALONG THE EQUATOR YOU WILL EVENTUALLY GET RIGHT BACK TO WHERE YOU STARTED
You can do that on a flat earth also.

Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #34 on: April 26, 2008, 03:22:07 PM »
only idiots could do that on a flat earth

you realize that nothing makes sense about your pointless theory and that tom bishop is not a real person and that you all need help and electroshock therapy
btw the earth is round

Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #35 on: April 26, 2008, 03:25:34 PM »
If you look at the FE model (which is wrong, because the earth is round) you will see that the equator goes in a circle. I agree with you, brox, but can you not spam my thread? And Althalus, there was no need to quote that entire thing.

EDIT: I noticed that brox has spammed a bunch of threads with this same message. Was that really necessary? Before you have a chance to answer, I will say "No it wasn't."
« Last Edit: April 26, 2008, 03:28:48 PM by Fredo »
30,000 feet isn't very high. It's certainly possible to breath.
Or not...
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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #36 on: April 26, 2008, 03:29:18 PM »
ok i'll stop its all just so pointless     chow = brit

Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2008, 03:18:11 PM »
Ok I'm going to bring this back so that people can try to prove my evidence wrong. It would also be good if someone could move this to the flat earth debate & discussion thread.

I remembered today that I had in fact figured out the altitude of the sun during an equinox. I had forgotten about it because it didn't seem that important to me at the time I did it in earth science class last year. I don't really remember much of it, but throughout the day we went outside during the September equinox. We had these clear domes (representing the sky from our point of view), and a toothpick (held up with modeling clay) at the side. I don't remember what it looked like exactly, but we used markers to put the endpoints of the shadow on the dome, which represented the altitude of the sun at that time. We did this about 8 times that day. At the end of the day, in science class, we connected the dots and figured out the zenith (highest altitude of the sun). I live at about 42 degrees north, and the zenith was 48 degrees. This goes with what I said before - the altitude of the sun at an equinox is equal to 90 minus your latitude.

Now nobody can prove me wrong by saying that I didn't gather my own evidence.
30,000 feet isn't very high. It's certainly possible to breath.
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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2008, 03:21:42 PM »
90-42 does not equal 48. You fail.

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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2008, 03:26:04 PM »
90-42 does not equal 48. You fail.

Must be that new RE math that they keep talking about.   ???
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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2008, 03:27:21 PM »
When you fake math it is easy to prove the earth round.

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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2008, 03:29:50 PM »
When you fake math it is easy to prove the earth round.

First they fake the pictures, now they fake the math.  RE bastards!!   >:(
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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2008, 03:30:10 PM »
Gargh!

Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2008, 12:06:13 PM »
Ok, does anyone have some real arguments against my evidence? I assure you, taters, that 90-42 is in fact 48.
30,000 feet isn't very high. It's certainly possible to breath.
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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2008, 12:34:33 PM »
I did the math wrong. I was thinking 52 and 48 but then I realized that that is one hundred.

Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2008, 12:17:42 PM »
OK, since its been about a day without a reply (more if you include the other days nobody has posted), so I guess nobody can prove me wrong.

Win for RE!

That must mean the earth is round.   :)

You can't argue that that must mean that every time someone says 'Win for FE' that the earth is flat, because you people only say that when RE'ers leave because they don't want to argue anymore because you guys are idiots. I have successfully proven that the earth is round. People can still post here if they have a way to prove my evidence wrong.
30,000 feet isn't very high. It's certainly possible to breath.
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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #46 on: May 09, 2008, 05:46:20 AM »
Let me get this straight:
You provide an anecdote for an experiment you did, then provide two figures (42 and 48) and show that they add up to 90...

Well, I'm convinced.

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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #47 on: May 09, 2008, 12:23:04 PM »
Let me get this straight:
You provide an anecdote for an experiment you did, then provide two figures (42 and 48) and show that they add up to 90...

Well, I'm convinced.

Unless you have some evidence to contradict his experiment or his math skills, I suppose that does qualify as a win.
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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #48 on: May 09, 2008, 01:07:30 PM »
90-42 = 48 shows that the altitude of the sun during an equinox is equal to 90-your latitude. I live at about 42 degrees, and the sun's altitude during an equinox is 48 degrees. At the equator (0 degrees), the sun is directly overhead during an equinox (90 degrees).

42+48 = 90
0+90 = 90

That proves that the altitude of the sun is 90-latitude, which is only possible on the round earth model.
30,000 feet isn't very high. It's certainly possible to breath.
Or not...
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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #49 on: May 09, 2008, 01:08:52 PM »
Have you measured the angle from the north pole?

Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #50 on: May 09, 2008, 01:19:40 PM »
I don't think I really need to. It's common knowledge that the sun's altitude during an equinox is 90-their latitude. If it was otherwise, people would know. I had to find it out in earth science class, which means that other people had to find it out, too.
30,000 feet isn't very high. It's certainly possible to breath.
Or not...
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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #51 on: May 09, 2008, 01:20:53 PM »
LIES!

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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #52 on: May 11, 2008, 05:48:12 PM »
only idiots could do that on a flat earth
You'd be fairly fucking retard(t)ed attemping that on a RE model, both models share vast ammounts of water over the equator.

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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #53 on: August 07, 2008, 03:19:21 AM »
The problem is that Snell's law says that light would be bent in the opposite direction needed for the sun to set.

Yes, but this can be explained by the anti-Snell's law so everything is okay now.

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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2008, 04:26:07 AM »
The problem is that Snell's law says that light would be bent in the opposite direction needed for the sun to set.

Yes, but this can be explained by the anti-Snell's law so everything is okay now.

I actually used this arguement in school once. Left my friend speechless. Laughing, but still speechless.

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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #55 on: August 07, 2008, 08:26:44 AM »
The problem is that Snell's law says that light would be bent in the opposite direction needed for the sun to set.

Yes, but this can be explained by the anti-Snell's law so everything is okay now.

Hmmm...  But doesn't anti-Snell's law only work on anti-light from the anti-sun?
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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2008, 09:49:34 AM »
Who has been to the bottom of the disc to say?
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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2008, 12:46:31 PM »
Who has been to the bottom of the disc to say?

Well, you seem pretty convinced that there is an anti-moon and an anti-sun down there and a true zetetic knows better than to speculate on such things if he hasn't personally witnessed them, so I'm guessing that you have down there. 

That is unless you haven't been down there and you are just making all of this up.
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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #58 on: August 07, 2008, 06:01:54 PM »
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The problem is that Snell's law says that light would be bent in the opposite direction needed for the sun to set.

Light is bent downwards as it passes through a thick medium, not upwards. That's why a straw's image appears lower when placed into a glass of water.



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So, then why do you not see the sun when flying at night?  Flying at 30,000 - 40,000 feet should put you above enough of the atmosphere to at least partially offset the refraction of the sun's rays.  Maybe not full daylight, but at least twilight.

30,000 feet isn't very high. There's still a significant amount of atmosphere there. It's certainly possible to breath. The atmosphere is a gradient which sits on the earth and stretches several hundred miles. 30,000 feet is nothing.
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Re: The sun and north star positions
« Reply #59 on: August 07, 2008, 08:07:57 PM »
90-42 does not equal 48. You fail.

Must be that new RE FE math that they keep talking about.   ???
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