Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed

It is a movie by the Intelligent Design community that portrays themselves as an oppressed minority who are "expelled" from jobs, positions, etc. due to their views on ID. Many reputable scientists were tricked into believing they were being interviewed for an honest film about evolution science and the oppositions to ID.

Quote from: Benocrates on April 18, 2008, 09:18:07 AM

It is a movie by the Intelligent Design community that portrays themselves as an oppressed minority who are "expelled" from jobs, positions, etc. due to their views on ID. Many reputable scientists were tricked into believing they were being interviewed for an honest film about evolution science and the oppositions to ID.

My understanding is that all interviewees were given full disclosure about the nature of the movie before they signed their release forms.  They're just giving their honest opinions anyway.

Out of curiosity, do you have the same strong bias against Michael Moore's "documentaries" because of the dishonest tactics he uses?

I think most of Moore's movies are sensational and don't really serve to add anything to the legitimate debate

The basic fact for me is, they are completely wrong and insulting in a way that legitimizes the ignorance. To say that Darwinism leads to fascism is a gross misunderstanding of evolution...in every appreciable way.

       I think most of Moore's movies are sensational and don't really serve to add anything to the legitimate debate...however, everybody knows what Michael Moore is about, they know the kind of movies he makes. The problem with this example, from what I've read from all of the scientists involved, is that the purpose of the film was completely misrepresented, and the edits were done in a clearly insulting and demeaning way. That's not really the point, it goes much further.

Myers was waiting with his family and guests to attend a private screening of Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed at the Mall of America in Minneapolis, having reserved seats for himself and guests under his own name using the freely available online procedure set up by the film's promoters. Shortly before the film started a security guard told him that the producer Mark Mathis had instructed that Myers be removed from the premises.[/quote}

Quote from: WIKI

Myers was waiting with his family and guests to attend a private screening of Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed at the Mall of America in Minneapolis, having reserved seats for himself and guests under his own name using the freely available online procedure set up by the film's promoters. Shortly before the film started a security guard told him that the producer Mark Mathis had instructed that Myers be removed from the premises.

One blog claimed that Myers had gatecrashed the showing. Jeffrey Overstreet, a film critic for Christianity Today, cited an e-mail from a college student who was at the screening. The student assumed that Dawkins and Myers had not been invited, and suggested that Myers had been "hustling and bothering" invited guests. The student subsequently stated that Myers "didn't cause a disruption per se; he was kindly escorted out."  However, the producer later wrote:
“Yes, I turned Mr. Myers away. He was not an invited guest of Premise Media. This was a private screening of an unfinished film. I could have let him in, just as I invited Michael Shermer to a screening in Nashville. Shermer is in the film as well. But, in light of Myers' untruthful blogging about Expelled I decided it was better to have him wait until April 18 and pay to see the film. Others, notable others, were permitted to see the film. At a private screening it's my call."

Sure he had the right. That's a stupid defense. I have the right to call you an ******* **** **** in public. Doesn't make it a very bright idea. Funny thing is that hordes of people are going to call it a great movie, do you know how much of the public doesn't believe in evolution?

And if he feels that way and isn't deliberately being a douchebag, then he's completely retarded/insane. Either way, it doesn't look good for him.

To me, it comes down the the alleged sensationalism involved that makes the scientific community appear sinister and fascist.

If you have a such a view on this film, I wonder what you think of "What the BLEEP do we know?"

As for this movie, my friend was able to get a copy but I haven't watched it yet.

Quote from: Benocrates on April 19, 2008, 09:14:36 AM

To me, it comes down the the alleged sensationalism involved that makes the scientific community appear sinister and fascist.

The inherent irony in this statement is that Dawkins, Myers and co are guilty of the same attitude toward the religious community.  So I guess in my view turnabout is fair play.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 19, 2008, 09:36:45 AM

Quote from: Benocrates on April 19, 2008, 09:14:36 AM

To me, it comes down the the alleged sensationalism involved that makes the scientific community appear sinister and fascist.

The inherent irony in this statement is that Dawkins, Myers and co are guilty of the same attitude toward the religious community.  So I guess in my view turnabout is fair play.

I tend to agree here. I think Dawkins is a terrible philosopher, regardless of his eminence as an evolutionary biologist. Basically, he thinks he has knock-down arguments against theism which are, in academic philosophy, ignored because they're just totally weak.

I just think ID is not even science, so my sympathies are with Dawkins since we both agree it should not be encouraged as a legitimate to evolution.

This movie is a steaming pile of propaganda, misinformation, and blatant lies.

Bull. But to be honest, she'll never get much achievement in that national spotlight. This country isn't that bad, thank goodness.

        I just watched a documentary on Michael Moore, and it appears that he has included absolute fabrications and theatrics that undermine his legitimacy. If this is true, then I'd have to include Moore with the unscrupulous producers of Expelled, though I would make a qualification. I think that, anyone who is asked to be interviewed for a Moore film knows the trickery he uses. Mathis and Stein were not known tricksters and was able to secure interviews with scientists attempting a legitimate exploration into ID.