Designer always greater than the creation?

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #120 on: May 21, 2008, 12:20:07 AM »
And to answer the question. No creation can ever be more complex than the designer no matter what your definition of creation is. It's so blatantly obvious, a five-year-old could probably answer this thread.

I'm guessing you are referring to the above quote.  I think you are wrong in the specific case where the creation is self-aware and thus able to improve and develop itself; in effect, increase in complexity. 

One can define creation as "the educational development of a person", the designer as "the teacher", and complexity as some measure of knowledge or understanding of our world, then I think it is a fairly obvious example.  Not true in all cases, but in some. 

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #121 on: May 21, 2008, 01:54:02 AM »
Apocalypse of the Six Faced Gods

When the heavens fall upon the earth
Man’s leaders will mutter
Man’s leaders will splutter
For the rain reign of embers
The gods did cause

Man’s wisdom had faded
His eye degraded
For the land was sided six
Earth, fire, water a mix

Man ranted, shouted, bickered and whined
The land was round the land was mine
But the gods saw the truth
And called upon man’s youth

But were fools, arrogant and childish
Believing the world to be dish
Gods burn them one and all
When the embers fall

So the gods descended
Maimed burned and rended
Rocks of flame fell from the sky
So that mans folly would die

But one child did stand alone
Discard his mobile phone
He would be no longer deceive
He was the first one the believe

The gods spared him and his brothers
And their wives, now mothers
Who would teach the cube to every cradle
And to every sane man able

Seek the truth and be spared
For apocalypse be prepared
The cube is truth the cube is true

See through the chaos and deception, seek the clarity of the cube.

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #122 on: May 21, 2008, 03:16:25 PM »
There are no examples it is impossible

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Then evolution is impossible.

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #123 on: May 21, 2008, 03:17:50 PM »
And to answer the question. No creation can ever be more complex than the designer no matter what your definition of creation is. It's so blatantly obvious, a five-year-old could probably answer this thread.

I'm guessing you are referring to the above quote.  I think you are wrong in the specific case where the creation is self-aware and thus able to improve and develop itself; in effect, increase in complexity. 

One can define creation as "the educational development of a person", the designer as "the teacher", and complexity as some measure of knowledge or understanding of our world, then I think it is a fairly obvious example.  Not true in all cases, but in some. 

Well I wouldn't define creation in that way, hence my opinion on the subject.

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #124 on: May 21, 2008, 03:24:28 PM »
There are no examples it is impossible

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Then evolution is impossible.

Fallacy.
Evolution is not an example of creator and creation.

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #125 on: May 21, 2008, 04:38:02 PM »
You misunderstand this whole thread then...

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #126 on: May 21, 2008, 05:57:49 PM »
Narc, are you going to start splitting evolution into macro and micro soon? 

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #127 on: May 21, 2008, 06:08:49 PM »
Macroevolution is what I'm talking about, er rather trying to not talk about.
Microevolution is another topic since it doesn't necessitate a < b < c, just that a != b != c.

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #128 on: May 21, 2008, 07:14:41 PM »
You misunderstand this whole thread then...

So let's drop with all these misunderstandings.  I'm guessing by this point you have yourself gathered enough evidence (or the lack thereof) to quit trying to lead us around on a chain and post a conclusion? 

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #129 on: May 21, 2008, 08:22:41 PM »
You misunderstand this whole thread then...

lol, you're a douche
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Kasroa Is Gone

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #130 on: May 21, 2008, 11:44:42 PM »
You misunderstand this whole thread then...

When people recognise your fallacious arguments (as is always the case) it means they understand exactly what the point is.

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #131 on: May 21, 2008, 11:54:53 PM »
Without the designer, there is no creation?...

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Benocrates

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #132 on: May 22, 2008, 07:20:08 AM »
Without the designer, there is no creation?...

correct, i.e. evolution=not a creation.
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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #133 on: May 22, 2008, 08:48:43 AM »
Macroevolution is what I'm talking about, er rather trying to not talk about.
Microevolution is another topic since it doesn't necessitate a < b < c, just that a != b != c.

It seems to me, and I may be wrong, that the script for this thread was as follows:

1. Conclude privately, before-hand, that evolution would be an example of a > b > c
2. Ask if a > b > c is possible knowing full well it's not.
3. When nobody can give an example of a > b > c claim this as proof that evolution is not possible.

It's a classic fallacious argument style used mostly by theists and creationists. It's a ploy used by pseudo intellects in order to fool the fickle and the ignorant. You have no power here Narc.

But like I said I may be wrong. Maybe, just maybe, this is an honest thread, but I'd like you to prove it by revealing all your intentions.



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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #134 on: May 22, 2008, 01:05:07 PM »
Evolution does not produce greater. It produces different. A person is no greater that a table leg, just different. End thread.

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #135 on: May 22, 2008, 01:50:53 PM »
I think I serve a few more uses than a table leg.

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #136 on: May 22, 2008, 02:41:52 PM »
I think I serve a few more uses than a table leg.

Such as...
Is Dino open source?

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #137 on: May 22, 2008, 03:04:13 PM »
I think I serve a few more uses than a table leg.

How good are you at holding up tables, first of all?
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #138 on: May 22, 2008, 04:27:07 PM »
I think I serve a few more uses than a table leg.

How good are you at holding up tables, first of all?
Fairly ok. Also I do laundry and clean dishes.

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #139 on: May 22, 2008, 04:28:39 PM »
I have a table leg that does that whilst juggling sharks.
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #140 on: May 22, 2008, 04:30:23 PM »
I juggle 3 cacti and 4 dolphins and half of a porpoise.

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #141 on: May 22, 2008, 04:32:59 PM »
They're full-grown great whites, half starved and massive. Also, they have heat vision.
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #142 on: May 22, 2008, 04:35:30 PM »
So are the cacti.

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #143 on: May 22, 2008, 04:40:41 PM »
Cactus have no eyes.
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #144 on: May 22, 2008, 04:57:02 PM »
Shows what you know.

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #145 on: May 22, 2008, 05:03:22 PM »
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No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #146 on: May 22, 2008, 05:16:33 PM »
 ;D Time fo my showa, then maybe back here before bed!

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #147 on: May 22, 2008, 06:48:23 PM »
;D Time fo my showa, then maybe back here before bed!

Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ, this isn't Myspace.  It's not a blog.  There is no "/blogspot/blog/cgi?" in the URL, is there? You little rats have nothing better to do, I know, so you should learn something else to do with the internet, like masturbating.  Google it if you don't know how.   

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #148 on: May 23, 2008, 04:04:37 AM »
I can do what I want. I just wanted to let him know why I would not be continuing our conversation about juggling.  :'(

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Re: Designer always greater than the creation?
« Reply #149 on: May 23, 2008, 08:03:37 AM »
;D Time fo my showa, then maybe back here before bed!

Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ, this isn't Myspace.  It's not a blog.  There is no "/blogspot/blog/cgi?" in the URL, is there? You little rats have nothing better to do, I know, so you should learn something else to do with the internet, like masturbating.  Google it if you don't know how.   

lol, nice internet wrath.
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