I'm looking for a single scientific study which proves that the earth is a globe

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That's not what this thread is about. This thread is about showing a research study to back up your model. Do you have any for us?
Why do I need to? Plenty of links have been provided. You simply lack the knowledge to understand a round earth. We got more proof than you can handle, and you want to limit yourself to studies? lol. I just showed proof satelites exist and you can't even come up with a SINGLE shred of proof they don't. Conspiracies aren't proof. you getting it?

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Are photos research studies? The last time I checked they weren't.
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We know about what they did, thus they must of published it sometime. 

So in other words, you don't have a research paper for me which concludes that the earth is a globe?
We don't need proof for what you can't understand. This is your issue... if you do need studies however, please refer to this thread

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=20227.0
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We know about what they did, thus they must of published it sometime. 

So in other words, you don't have a research paper for me which concludes that the earth is a globe?
You are wrong. 
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Can't believe I actually opened google for this. I typed in curvature of the earth and found news storties of studies by some Universities, even. There, find it yourself :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CU_Spaceflight (look at the references for tons of links if you don't like Wikipedia)
http://uanews.org/node/13199 more on the same thing
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/iel3/4974/13678/00629251.pdf?temp=x Become a member and you can get this one yourself! Yes, its a study showing the EFFECTS of curvature.

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http://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelconf/e06/PAPERS/MOPLS098.PDF

There ya go. See how googles treats you Tom? Monkeys can do this you know...
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Can't believe I actually opened google for this. I typed in curvature of the earth and found news storties of studies by some Universities, even. There, find it yourself Smiley

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CU_Spaceflight (look at the references for tons of links if you don't like Wikipedia)
http://uanews.org/node/13199 more on the same thing
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/iel3/4974/13678/00629251.pdf?temp=x Become a member and you can get this one yourself! Yes, its a study showing the EFFECTS of curvature.

I don't see any studies studying the shape of the earth.

http://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelconf/e06/PAPERS/MOPLS098.PDF

There ya go. See how googles treats you Tom? Monkeys can do this you know...

I don't see where the researcher concludes that the earth is round.

Care to point it out for me?

As far as I see, the researcher is already assuming that the earth is a globe in his premise and then assuming that the earth's curvature would have an affect on his data. Nowhere does he study the shape of the earth. In his study the researcher doesn't conclude that the earth is round at all.
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Can't believe I actually opened google for this. I typed in curvature of the earth and found news storties of studies by some Universities, even. There, find it yourself Smiley

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CU_Spaceflight (look at the references for tons of links if you don't like Wikipedia)
http://uanews.org/node/13199 more on the same thing
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/iel3/4974/13678/00629251.pdf?temp=x Become a member and you can get this one yourself! Yes, its a study showing the EFFECTS of curvature.

I don't see any studies studying the shape of the earth.

http://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelconf/e06/PAPERS/MOPLS098.PDF

There ya go. See how googles treats you Tom? Monkeys can do this you know...

I don't see where the researcher concludes that the earth is round.
The university will have some. Dig em up, I'm not your research assistant :). IF you can't accept that the curvature of the earth is studied while trying to deal with a problem is your issue, not mine. We did our work, and we await a study of a flat earth.
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The university will have some. Dig em up, I'm not your research assistant :). IF you can't accept that the curvature of the earth is studied while trying to deal with a problem is your issue, not mine. We did our work, and we await a study of a flat earth.

I read the premise of the study you are talking about. Here's a quote from the summary:

"Traditionally airborne radar tracking systems have employed a variety of spatial reference frames which are either inertial (north-east-down) or body-axes (forward-starboard-down). These frames are exclusively Euclidean 3-space in nature and, with the sole exception of Earth-centred coordinate frames, take no account of the spherical properties of the Earth over which they are operating."

It seems that this is a study about radar waves over the surface of the earth. The researchers found that the radar waves took no account of the curvature beneath which they operate, almost as if it weren't even there.

Looks like this is just another Flat Earth study.

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The university will have some. Dig em up, I'm not your research assistant :). IF you can't accept that the curvature of the earth is studied while trying to deal with a problem is your issue, not mine. We did our work, and we await a study of a flat earth.

I read the premise of the study you are talking about. Here it is from that third website you linked. Here's a quote:

"Traditionally airborne radar tracking systems have employed a variety of spatial reference frames which are either inertial (north-east-down) or body-axes (forward-starboard-down). These frames are exclusively Euclidean 3-space in nature and, with the sole exception of Earth-centred coordinate frames, take no account of the spherical properties of the Earth over which they are operating."

It seems that this is a study of radar waves over the earth. The researchers found that the radar waves take no account over the curvature beneath which they operate, almost as if it weren't even there.

Looks like you just posted a Flat Earth study.
Looks like you don't know how radio waves work :).


Any news on that flat earth study? We'd like at least a few since, you know, we gave you tons...
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Looks like you don't know how radio waves work

An airplane's radar system should be able to detect the curvature of the earth. However, the article you linked says that it can't.

What does that tell us?

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Any news on that flat earth study? We'd like at least a few since, you know, we gave you tons...

I haven't seen any. So far you've given me a Flat Earth study and another one which isn't even studying the shape of the earth.
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Any news on that flat earth study? We'd like at least a few since, you know, we gave you tons...

I haven't seen any. So far you've given me a Flat Earth study and another one which isn't even studying the shape of the earth.
Have you read the whole thread time? I think you should check again... maybe you can't see what you don't want to see? Pardon me while I go watch my satelite TV that is sent through magic faries in the sky.
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Antarctic flights will disprove the icewall and an infinite earth.
You could perform circumnavigation of Antarctica.

http://www.discover-the-world.co.uk/Antarctica/VESSE/default.aspx?vessel=KAPIT

this ship has done it with commercial passengers.

Maybe not a globular proof but an undeniable FE disproof. Well the icewall version that Tom Bishop adheres to

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The university will have some. Dig em up, I'm not your research assistant :). IF you can't accept that the curvature of the earth is studied while trying to deal with a problem is your issue, not mine. We did our work, and we await a study of a flat earth.

I read the premise of the study you are talking about. Here's a quote from the summary:

"Traditionally airborne radar tracking systems have employed a variety of spatial reference frames which are either inertial (north-east-down) or body-axes (forward-starboard-down). These frames are exclusively Euclidean 3-space in nature and, with the sole exception of Earth-centred coordinate frames, take no account of the spherical properties of the Earth over which they are operating."

It seems that this is a study about radar waves over the surface of the earth. The researchers found that the radar waves took no account of the curvature beneath which they operate, almost as if it weren't even there.

Looks like this is just another Flat Earth study.

Tom,

After reading this thread I cannot believe what lies and misinformation you spread.  The abstract you quoted was referring to the design and operation of radar systems, not the radar waves themselves.    It discusses how accuracy can be greatly improved by taking into account the effects of curvature.

The effects of curvature of EM waves are well understood in telecoms / radar industry, for example.
I haven't performed it and I've never claimed to. I've have trouble being in two places at the same time.

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Scientific study into the shape of the earth

Hypothesis:
Find an image of the planet, as taken from a far viewpoint. If the image shows a crescent or gibbous shape, the Earth is a globe. If the image shows a circular spotlight[citation needed], then the Earth May be flat, or may just be round with all current visible surface illuminated.

Method:
1) Go onto Google Image search.
2) Type 'Earth from space' into the search bar.
3) Check the results from the search.

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Images such as this one and this one show a gibbous Earth, thus the Earth is globe.


There you go. A scientific study that shows the Earth is a globe.
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After reading this thread I cannot believe what lies and misinformation you spread.  The abstract you quoted was referring to the design and operation of radar systems, not the radar waves themselves.    It discusses how accuracy can be greatly improved by taking into account the effects of curvature.

The first part of the abstract tells me that radar systems aren't able to see the earth's curvature. That's pretty telling. The rest of the abstract talks about how radar could be more accurate if it were able to see the earth's curvature.

How is that a research paper which which studies the shape of the earth and concludes that it is round?

That's what I asked for back on page one. You guys weren't able to follow through at all. That means you fail.

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The effects of curvature of EM waves are well understood in telecoms / radar industry, for example.

Is that a research study? Doesn't look like it.

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Have you read the whole thread time? I think you should check again... maybe you can't see what you don't want to see? Pardon me while I go watch my satelite TV that is sent through magic faries in the sky.

The existence of Satellites isn't a research study. Just an FYI.

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Scientific study into the shape of the earth

Hypothesis:
Find an image of the planet, as taken from a far viewpoint. If the image shows a crescent or gibbous shape, the Earth is a globe. If the image shows a circular spotlight[citation needed], then the Earth May be flat, or may just be round with all current visible surface illuminated.

Method:
1) Go onto Google Image search.
2) Type 'Earth from space' into the search bar.
3) Check the results from the search.

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Images such as this one and this one show a gibbous Earth, thus the Earth is globe.


There you go. A scientific study that shows the Earth is a globe.

Are pictures defined as research studies? Let me look it up in my desk dictionary.

It seems that the answer is No.

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Antarctic flights will disprove the icewall and an infinite earth.
You could perform circumnavigation of Antarctica.

http://www.discover-the-world.co.uk/Antarctica/VESSE/default.aspx?vessel=KAPIT

this ship has done it with commercial passengers.

Maybe not a globular proof but an undeniable FE disproof. Well the icewall version that Tom Bishop adheres to

Besides the fact that Antarctica is the Ice Wall, that's still not a research study. Sorry.

I can't believe how you guys constantly fail to follow basic instructions. I asked for a study on the shape of the earth where the researcher concludes that it is round. Those are pretty simple guidelines. I didn't ask for photos. I didn't ask for something Aristotile said thousands of years ago. I didn't ask for "the government said so." I asked for a research study.
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Are pictures defined as research studies? Let me look it up in my desk dictionary.

It seems that the answer is No.

As far as I can tell, an image should be a perfectly valid piece of qualitative research. You could even consider it quantitative research, if it's possible to take measurements from it.

Also, you must have an excessively thick dictionary. I can't find a definition of 'research studies' in any reference material to hand, and even Google doesn't have a direct definition, let alone a encyclopedia like entry of what is and isn't a research study.

...Unless, of course, you just looked up the word pictures and checked to see if it had the phrase 'research studies' next to it. That would just be childish.

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Images do not constitute a research study. Come on. Even if it is Tom, I'd like to see someone actually have a scientific study that outlines the shape of the Earth.
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Well, old experiments are unaccepted because they are old, experiments you can perform yourself are either considered useless as a detailed report hasn't been published based on them, or useless as they could be valid from a FE point of view, experiments that rely on the planet being round are useless as they are not designed for the sole reason of checking the shape of the planet, experiments that prove the shape of the earth as a byproduct of their main function are useless for the same reason, the common knowledge of the shape of the planet is useless as it isn't based off of an easy to perform experiment, maps developed by cartographers and such are useless as they aren't produced for the purpose of proving the shape of the Earth, Measurements and such used by telecommunication companies are useless for the same reason.

Devices put into orbit are useless as they don't exist for the express purpose of proving the shape of the Earth, or because NASA or some group that at some point may have been related to the government was involved in them at some point, NASA and government contractor information is considered useless as there's a chance that it may have been tainted by the conspiracy, Observation data of other objects that are in space is useless as the rules that apply for every known stellar object may not necessarily apply to us, physics theories that suggest the planet is round are useless as there's no way of proving that a theory is 100% correct, and direct photos of the planet showing it as a globe are useless as images are apparently not considered valid research.

Well, I think I'm out of ideas for now. Perhaps if someone found a 130 year old book that explained why the Earth is a globe, it might be considered valid...

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Well, old experiments are unaccepted because they are old, experiments you can perform yourself are either considered useless as a detailed report hasn't been published based on them, or useless as they could be valid from a FE point of view, experiments that rely on the planet being round are useless as they are not designed for the sole reason of checking the shape of the planet, experiments that prove the shape of the earth as a byproduct of their main function are useless for the same reason, the common knowledge of the shape of the planet is useless as it isn't based off of an easy to perform experiment, maps developed by cartographers and such are useless as they aren't produced for the purpose of proving the shape of the Earth, Measurements and such used by telecommunication companies are useless for the same reason.

Devices put into orbit are useless as they don't exist for the express purpose of proving the shape of the Earth, or because NASA or some group that at some point may have been related to the government was involved in them at some point, NASA and government contractor information is considered useless as there's a chance that it may have been tainted by the conspiracy, Observation data of other objects that are in space is useless as the rules that apply for every known stellar object may not necessarily apply to us, physics theories that suggest the planet is round are useless as there's no way of proving that a theory is 100% correct, and direct photos of the planet showing it as a globe are useless as images are apparently not considered valid research.

Glad you figured that out.
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As far as I can tell, there's noting we can use to prove the Earth is a globe under Toms strict guidelines.

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As far as I can tell, there's noting we can use to prove the Earth is a globe under Toms strict guidelines.
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Well, old experiments are unaccepted because they are old,

Firstly, it doesn't matter when the study was published. Truth does not have an expiration date. I've asked for a simple study conducted at any point throughout the history of time.

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experiments you can perform yourself are either considered useless as a detailed report hasn't been published based on them, or useless as they could be valid from a FE point of view, experiments that rely on the planet being round are useless as they are not designed for the sole reason of checking the shape of the planet, experiments that prove the shape of the earth as a byproduct of their main function are useless for the same reason, the common knowledge of the shape of the planet is useless as it isn't based off of an easy to perform experiment, maps developed by cartographers and such are useless as they aren't produced for the purpose of proving the shape of the Earth, Measurements and such used by telecommunication companies are useless for the same reason.

Devices put into orbit are useless as they don't exist for the express purpose of proving the shape of the Earth, or because NASA or some group that at some point may have been related to the government was involved in them at some point, NASA and government contractor information is considered useless as there's a chance that it may have been tainted by the conspiracy, Observation data of other objects that are in space is useless as the rules that apply for every known stellar object may not necessarily apply to us, physics theories that suggest the planet is round are useless as there's no way of proving that a theory is 100% correct, and direct photos of the planet showing it as a globe are useless as images are apparently not considered valid research.

I didn't ask for reasons why you *think* that the earth might be a globe. I didn't ask for your logical criticisms against FE. I didn't ask for photos. I didn't ask for cartographer maps. I didn't ask for stupid comments like "every thing else is round, why isn't the earth?" That's not a study.

I simply asked for a research study published at any point throughout the history of time in which someone studies the shape of the earth and concludes that it is round. If you can't provide that basic research, what does that say for your model?

I can find studies which examines the shape of the earth and concludes that it is flat: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/index.htm

I can find studies which examines the shape of the earth and concludes that it is inside out: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/cc/index.htm

So why can't I find any studies which examine the shape of the earth and conclude that it is round?

I'm not asking for your "witty" comments, your opinions, or your criticism. All I care about is whether the basic fundamental studies exist or not.

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I can find studies which examines the shape of the earth and concludes that it is flat: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/index.htm

Um, Tom...  You do realize that the link you provided has a quick overview of the book that essentially says that Rowbotham was full of crap, don't you?

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To make his system work he had to throw out a great deal of science, including the scientific method itself, using instead what he calls a 'Zetetic' method. As far as I can see this is simply a license to employ circular reasoning (e.g., the earth is flat, hence we can see distant lighthouses, hence the earth is flat).

Zetetic Astronomy is a key work of flat-earth thought, just as Donnelly's Atlantis, the Antediluvian World is still considered required reading on the subject of Atlantis. If you ever have to debate the flat earth pro or con, this book is a complete agenda of each point that you'll have to argue.

Not a good way of proving your point.
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Did I ask for your opinion on the study or the experiments? Did I ask for someone else's opinion on the study or experiments? No I did not.

I asked you to provide me a single study which examines the shape of th earth and comes to the conclusion that the earth is a globe.

That's all I've asked for in this thread. Anything else is off topic.
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Did I ask for your opinion on the study or the experiments? Did I ask for someone else's opinion on the study or experiments? No I did not.

I asked you to provide me a single study which examines the shape of th earth and comes to the conclusion that the earth is a globe.

That's all I've asked for in this thread. Anything else is off topic.
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We've provided proof, I've yet to see something from your side. You got what you waned.

What published studies have you guys posted which examines the shape of the earth and comes to the conclusion that the earth is round?

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We've provided proof, I've yet to see something from your side. You got what you waned.

What published studies have you guys posted which examines the shape of the earth and comes to the conclusion that the earth is round?
Please refer to this thread for the information you're looking for

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=20227.0
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I don't see what I asked for in that thread.

So in other words you don't have a study for me?

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Just find one yourself, you lazy git. The rest of us have important work to be getting on with.

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Besides the fact that Antarctica is the Ice Wall, that's still not a research study. Sorry.

I can't believe how you guys constantly fail to follow basic instructions. I asked for a study on the shape of the earth where the researcher concludes that it is round. Those are pretty simple guidelines. I didn't ask for photos. I didn't ask for something Aristotile said thousands of years ago. I didn't ask for "the government said so." I asked for a research study.

so you would not consider a cross antarctic flight a disproof?
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