I'm looking for a single scientific study which proves that the earth is a globe

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How about me asking for proof about the sinking ship? or that the "shadow which occurs on the moon could come from any celestial body intersecting the light between the sun and moon"? Or that the "the stars are 3,100 miles  above the earth"?

Read the Flat Earth Literature. It's all explained there. I'm not going to do any remedial reading for you. In the literature we have multiple corroborative first hand accounts of researchers restoring the hull of a ship by looking at it through a telescope. There are experiments which triangulate the sun to be 3,000 miles above the earth and the stars even higher. There are chapters on the lunar eclipse along with equations for finding the time, duration, and magnitude of the lunar eclipse under the Flat Earth Model.

But this thread isn't about the Flat Earth Model. It's about the Round Earth model and what research studies exist to back it up.

I'm still waiting to see even a single study which exists to back up the 'fact' that the earth is a globe.

Where are the studies? Why isn't there anything out there which backs up your model?
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How about me asking for proof about the sinking ship? or that the "shadow which occurs on the moon could come from any celestial body intersecting the light between the sun and moon"? Or that the "the stars are 3,100 miles  above the earth"?

Read the Flat Earth Literature. It's all explained there. I'm not going to do any remedial reading for you. In the literature we have multiple corroborative first hand accounts of researchers restoring the hull of a ship by looking at it through a telescope. There are experiments which triangulate the sun to be 3,000 miles above the earth and the stars even higher. There are chapters on the lunar eclipse along with equations for finding the time, duration, and magnitude of the lunar eclipse under the Flat Earth Model.

But this thread isn't about the Flat Earth Model. It's about the Round Earth model and what research studies exist to back it up.

I'm still waiting to see even a single study which exists to back up the 'fact' that the earth is a globe.
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What about something such as this?

http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF6/689.html

They measure the surface of the planet pretty accurately, and I'm sure they would notice if the planet was the wrong shape.

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Once again the 100 year old book with no pictures comes up. Picture proof?

If you want to see a Flat Earth you can just look out your window.

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What about something such as this?

http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF6/689.html

They measure the surface of the planet pretty accurately, and I'm sure they would notice if the planet was the wrong shape.

Is that a link to a study which concludes that the earth is a globe?

It looks like it's just an article to me.

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Once again the 100 year old book with no pictures comes up. Picture proof?

If you want to see a Flat Earth you can just look out your window.

Where are the studies?



I see a house, not a flat earth. And snow.
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Once again the 100 year old book with no pictures comes up. Picture proof?

If you want to see a Flat Earth you can just look out your window.

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What about something such as this?

http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF6/689.html

They measure the surface of the planet pretty accurately, and I'm sure they would notice if the planet was the wrong shape.

Is that a link to a study which concludes that the earth is a globe?

It looks like it's just an article to me.
An article about a study. 
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An article about a study.

The link just makes loose phrases like "changes in the earth's shape are being measured from space is through the use of objects in deep space such as beacons by which to measure the distance between two objects on earth."

So where are the studies? The article doesn't even reference a single study a single study for us. There are zero MLA footnotes. There are no references to any one research paper or study in this article.

All that article is basically saying is "lots scientists are making measurements to the earth's shape." It doesn't even tell us what shape those scientists have measured the earth as. There is no data. As far as I know, the people making the measurements are detecting a Flat Earth.
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An article about a study.

The link just makes phrases like "changes in the earth's shape are being measured from space is through the use of objects in deep space such as beacons by which to measure the distance between two objects on earth."

So where are the studies? The article doesn't even reference a single study a single study for us. There are zero MLA footnotes. There are no references to any single research paper or study.

Secondly, the article doesn't even tell us the results of the unreferenced studies. There is no data. As far as I know, the people in the studies are detecting a Flat Earth.
The article doesn't have to tell you anything. 

You are ignoring everything present to you.  Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer.
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Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer.

I asked for a study which concludes that the earth is a globe. I got none.

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You are ignoring everything present to you.  Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer.

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Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer.

I asked for a study which concludes that the earth is a globe. I got none.
You got more than that. Yuo got articles showing how you can find the curve of the earth. Thats more than proof, thats application.
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Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer.

I asked for a study which concludes that the earth is a globe. I got none.

You got plenty.  No one does studies about the shape of the earth anymore.  They moved on to better things.
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You got plenty.  No one does studies about the shape of the earth anymore.  They moved on to better things.

Actually, I got none.

What are you talking about "anymore?" If you can't provide me a single study, it means that NO ONE has ever done a study of the earth's shape and concluded that it was round. NO ONE in all of human history has ever looked into the issue of the earth's shape. There are no research papers. There are no experiments. Nothing.

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Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer.

The answer is "we don't have any studies," apparently.

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You got more than that. Yuo got articles showing how you can find the curve of the earth. Thats more than proof, thats application.

Firstly, there were no articles posted in this thread which shows me how I can find the curvature of the earth.

Secondly, I already know how I can detect the earth's curvature: just conduct Rowbotham's experiments across bodies of standing water.

I haven't seen any studies in which a researcher studies the earth's curvature and concludes that the earth is round. I've only seen studies where researchers study the earth's curvature and concludes that the earth is flat.

Where are the studies for your model?
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You got plenty.  No one does studies about the shape of the earth anymore.  They moved on to better things.

Actually, I got none.

What are you talking about "anymore?" If you can't provide me a single study, it means that NO ONE has ever done a study of the earth's shape and concluded that it was round. NO ONE in human history has ever looked into the issue of the earth's shape. There are no research papers. There are no experiments. Nothing.
Show me a study that proves the earth is flat. 


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The answer is "we don't have any studies," apparently.

The information you are looking for has already been posted.  Plus no one has mentioned the Well experiment yet. 


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Firstly, there were no articles posted in this thread which show me how I can find the curvature of the earth.
Yes there was. 

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Secondly, I already know how I can detect the earth's curvature: just conduct Rowbotham's experiments across bodies of standing water.
It will fail. 
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i haven't seen any studies which studies the earth's curvature and concludes that the earth is round. I've only seen studies which study the earth's curvature and concludes that the earth is flat.
You have to use magic to believe this. 
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Where are the studies for your model?
Around.  Where are yours? 
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Is that a link to a study which concludes that the earth is a globe?

It looks like it's just an article to me.

I'm trying to find things that need the planet to be a globe. Chances are you will never find an article performing a study to check if the earth is a globe as it's utterly pointless, and anyone trying to publish a paper along the lines of 'checking that the planet's still round' isn't going to get accepted and published by anyone. If you want something confirming the shape of the planet, you'll have to do it yourself.

You could try a cartography group, I guess. You'll find most of them have mapped out the Earth as round, though.

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What are you talking about "anymore?" If you can't provide me a single study, it means that NO ONE has ever done a study of the earth's shape and concluded that it was round. NO ONE in all of human history has ever looked into the issue of the earth's shape. There are no research papers. There are no experiments. Nothing.

Actually, there have been no studies since the start of the Internet. Nobody actually studies this for the same reason that nobody studies how fire is made. Conclusive research and studies have already been done a long time ago, and if you can't get your swollen head around that, it's your own fault.
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How about this?

http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/phys240/homework/earth_radius/earth_rad.html

This page shows how you can measure the radius of the Earth with a stop watch.  Not terribly precise, but should provide a ballpark figure.

Firstly, that's not even a study.

Secondly, the author does not even preform the experiment. I don't see any results from this experiment.

Thirdy and most importantly, the link does not conclude that the earth is a globe. It already assumes so in its premise.

No Tom, it's not a study.  It's an experiment.  Better yet, it's an experiment that you can perform yourself.  In fact, I'm willing to bet that the author has performed the experiment, but didn't post his results in hopes that you would perform the experiment yourself to see how close you come to the expected results.

Oh, by the way Tom, that's how science works.  You start with a premise (ex: if earth is round, then it must have a measurable radius), design a way of testing that premise (the experiment in the link), perform the experiment (preferably more than once), then compare your measured results to the results expected.  If the results don't match your premise, then you need to try to figure out why.  Was the test flawed?  Was the premise flawed?  Either way, you learn something.
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NO ONE in all of human history has ever looked into the issue of the earth's shape. There are no research papers. There are no experiments. Nothing.

No one?  How about just about anybody on this page?

http://www.astronomywebguide.com/links_astronomyhistory.html 

Turns out, some of them were FE'ers.

No experiments?  We've linked lots of experiments, but you reject all of them because they aren't "studies".  Make up your mind, will you?

Nothing?  How about all of the photos from outer space that you dismiss so readily because every last one of them has been faked.  Including the live feeds from the space shuttle's onboard cameras as they look for foam separating from the external tank.

Honestly Tom, I'm beginning to believe that you could absorb a neutrino.   ::)
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Honestly Tom, I'm beginning to believe that you could absorb a neutrino.  ::)

Heh, nice :)

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What if the neutrino was flat?

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It would slice a flat hole straight through him.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_knowledge

This thread isn't about "I believe in a round earth because my first grade teacher told me so." This thread is about actual scientific studies in regards to the shape of the earth.

Where is the research?

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No one?  How about just about anybody on this page?

http://www.astronomywebguide.com/links_astronomyhistory.html

I don't see any studies listed on that page.

Where are the studies which prove that the earth is a globe?

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No experiments?  We've linked lots of experiments, but you reject all of them because they aren't "studies".

What experiments? I haven't seen any references to experiments which have proven that the earth is a globe.

Who has conducted experiments which have proven that the earth is round?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_knowledge

This thread isn't about "I believe in a round earth because my first grade teacher told me so. This thread is about actual scientific studies in regards to the shape of the earth.

Where is the research?

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No one?  How about just about anybody on this page?

http://www.astronomywebguide.com/links_astronomyhistory.html

I don't see any studies listed on that page.

Where are the studies which prove that the earth is a globe?

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No experiments?  We've linked lots of experiments, but you reject all of them because they aren't "studies".

What experiments? I haven't seen any references to experiments which have proven that the earth is a globe.

Who has conducted experiments which have proven that the earth is round?

READ THE THREAD, FUCKING NOOB. 
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READ THE THREAD, FUCKING NOOB.

I did read the thread. You guys were unable to provide me with anything even resembling a study which demonstrates that the earth is a globe.

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I'm trying to find things that need the planet to be a globe. Chances are you will never find an article performing a study to check if the earth is a globe as it's utterly pointless, and anyone trying to publish a paper along the lines of 'checking that the planet's still round' isn't going to get accepted and published by anyone. If you want something confirming the shape of the planet, you'll have to do it yourself.

So in other words, you haven't the slightest idea about the shape of the earth beneath your feet. Figures.

It's not my fault that your scientific community does not conduct actual research for its beliefs. If your science does not have a single piece of literature from which it is proved that the earth is a globe, how is knowledge of the earth's shape "basic fact" at all?

Newton didn't study the shape of the earth.

Galileo didn't study the shape of the earth.

Copernicus didn't study the shape of the earth.

If they did, they would have published studies on the matter.

I haven't come across a single study written at any point throughout the history of all time which comes to the conclusion that the earth is a globe. No analysis, no papers, no experiments, nothing.

The fact that there is no real evidence behind the globe earth puts your belief system to shame. There is no scientific evidence behind a Round Earth. Go ahead and admit it: "I believe in a Round Earth based on blind faith alone!"
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I'm trying to find things that need the planet to be a globe. Chances are you will never find an article performing a study to check if the earth is a globe as it's utterly pointless, and anyone trying to publish a paper along the lines of 'checking that the planet's still round' isn't going to get accepted and published by anyone. If you want something confirming the shape of the planet, you'll have to do it yourself.

So in other words, you haven't the slightest idea about the shape of the earth beneath your feet. Figures.
Lets see.
You have no idea:
How far below your feet it goes.
How far past the icewall it goes. 
All you have is the numbers you make up.  But its us who don't know the shape? 

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It's not my fault that your scientific community does not conduct actual research for its beliefs. If your science does not have a single piece of literature from which it is proved that the earth is a globe, how is knowledge of the earth's shape "basic fact" at all?

The radius was first calculated in the BC.  This says what shape the earth is. 
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Newton didn't study the shape of the earth.

Galileo didn't study the shape of the earth.

Copernicus didn't study the shape of the earth.

If they did, they would have published studies on the matter.
What about Eratosthanes and the others?  O thats right.  You ignore the info that owns you. 

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I haven't come across a single study written at any point throughout the history of all time which comes to the conclusion that the earth is a globe. No analysis, no papers, no experiments, nothing.

Thats becasue you believe "Earth not a globe" and "100 proofs earth not a globe" prove the earth is flat.  Expieriments have been posted.  You are just a worthless coward. 

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The fact that there is no real evidence behind the globe earth puts your belief system to shame. Go ahead and admit it: "I believe in a Round Earth based on blind faith alone!"
I know the earth is round because I don't have to use magic in my day to day life. 
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Eratosthenes didn't study the shape of the earth. In his shadow experiment he already assumes that the earth is round and gives us a guesstimate of its circumference based on the length of shadows in two different locations on earth. It's not a Round Earth proving experiment. His experiment is only valid if the earth were a globe.

The figure Eratosthenes gives for the circumference of the Round Earth perfectly matches the diameter of the Flat Earth listed in the FAQ and Earth Not a Globe. 24,900 miles.
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Can you clarify what you actually mean by study?

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Eratosthanes didn't study the shape of the earth. In his shadow experiment he assumes that the earth is round and gives us a guesstimate of its circumference based on the length of shadows in two different locations on earth. This only applies if the earth were a globe.
The supposed messurments that state the sun is 3,000 miles away assume the earth is flat.

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The figure he gives for the circumference of the Round Earth perfectly matches the diameter of the Flat Earth listed in the FAQ and Earth Not a Globe.
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What experiments? I haven't seen any references to experiments which have proven that the earth is a globe.
You won't find a reference to an experiment that proves the Earth is a globe, because nobody does experiments that prove the Earth is a globe. It's a waste of money, resources and time.

If you really want proof that the Earth is a globe, look for a satellite that does a polar orbit. Or see what a large scale cartography company says.

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It's not my fault that your scientific community does not conduct actual research for its beliefs. If your science does not have a single piece of literature from which it is proved that the earth is a globe, how is knowledge of the earth's shape "basic fact" at all?

Newton didn't study the shape of the earth.

Galileo didn't study the shape of the earth.

Copernicus didn't study the shape of the earth.

If they did, they would have published studies on the matter.

I haven't come across a single study written at any point throughout the history of all time which comes to the conclusion that the earth is a globe. No analysis, no papers, no experiments, nothing.

The fact that there is no real evidence behind the globe earth puts your belief system to shame. There is no scientific evidence behind a Round Earth. Go ahead and admit it: "I believe in a Round Earth based on blind faith alone!"


Tom, have you actually read Copernicus?  If not, here is your chance.

Nicholas Copernicus
De Revolutionibus (On the Revolutions), 1543 C.E.

http://webexhibits.org/calendars/year-text-Copernicus.html 

Oh, and here is what Galileo had to say on the topic:

Galileo Galilei
Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, 1632
http://webexhibits.org/calendars/year-text-Galileo.html

By the way, since a flat earth can not orbit the sun, and Copernicus shows that earth does indeed orbit the sun, then the earth can not be flat, therefore it must be something else.  The most logical something else would be a sphere.  Why is that so hard to accept?

edit: added Galileo link.
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