I'm looking for a single scientific study which proves that the earth is a globe

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NTheGreat

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You will not find a study showing the Earth is flat, as nobody has the time to waste writing up such a thing, and no group  has a reason to publish such a thing. The only reason you can find works that suggest the Earth is flat/concave is because people have gone out of their way to spread misinformation. Cartographers have mapped the planet several times over, and produced maps that fit onto a globe. The reason they then don't go out and produce a deep scientific report saying 'The earth is still round' is because nobody would care. Several groups have put objects up into space, but they then don't go out and publish a report explaining how this proves that earth orbit still exists, as everyone expected. You can even go out and measure the curvature yourself, go out and map the distances between the continents and find it fits a globe, aside from the fact that I know regardless of what you see you'll just come back saying you see a flat earth.

I've no idea why you can't accept the fact people have mapped the Earth, or seen it from space, or made reliable measurements using a RE model as suitable evidence. Nobody's going to do a scientific study to check the Earth's still round, any more than they're going to do one to check the Sun is still there.

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I don't see what I asked for in that thread.

So in other words you don't have a study for me?
As mentioned previously, what you want is in this thread

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=20227.0

We are not responsible for you being a blind retard. Ask your mom for help maybe?
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so you would not consider a cross antarctic flight a disproof?

First of all, that's not even a study.

In the Round Earth model the only way to keep going southward after reaching the South Magnetic Pole is to go North. Doing that on a Flat Earth takes you in a parabolic curve back towards the Antarctic coast. Since those pilots probably thought the earth was a globe, they went to the South Magnetic Pole and then headed North, the only possible way to make a transcontinental journey across Antarctica in the RE model.

As a side note, it's also possible to make a transcontinental antarctic journey in the inside-out earth model.

Therefore, nothing about a trans-antarctic flight says anything about the shape of the earth.
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In the Round Earth model the only way to keep going southward after reaching the South Magnetic Pole is to go North. Doing that on a Flat Earth takes you in a parabolic curve back towards the Antarctic coast.



Sorry, why would it? After all, you could keep travelling directly away from the magnetic north pole

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Sorry, why would it? After all, you could keep travelling directly away from the magnetic north pole

Lets activate our fantasies for a moment and imagine that we are on a Round Earth at the coast of Antarctica. We have a very large plane with us containing a sufficient amount of fuel. We set off on our journey across thousands and thousands of miles of pure white snow. We observe vast uninhabited featureless lands of stretching farther than the eye can see. Its exciting at first, but eventually the sight becomes pretty boring. Eventually, after hours of flight, we reach the South Magnetic Pole. Everyone screams hooray, the plane circles a few times, lands and everyone gets out to take pictures, plant flags, or whatever we might want to do to celebrate the occasion. But our journey isn't complete yet. We still need to get to the other side. Now, in order to keep going South from the South Magnetic Pole which direction do we need to go in? What bearing should we follow on our compass?
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featureless lands

Antartica is not featureless.. perhaps you're not familiar with any idea of Antartica, let alone the true, RE version.
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so you would not consider a cross antarctic flight a disproof?

First of all, that's not even a study.

In the Round Earth model the only way to keep going southward after reaching the South Magnetic Pole is to go North. Doing that on a Flat Earth takes you in a parabolic curve back towards the Antarctic coast. Since those pilots probably thought the earth was a globe, they went to the South Magnetic Pole and then headed North, the only possible way to make a transcontinental journey across Antarctica in the RE model.

As a side note, it's also possible to make a transcontinental antarctic journey in the inside-out earth model.

Therefore, nothing about a trans-antarctic flight says anything about the shape of the earth.


so use a gyroscope to maintain a straight line heading and avoid the parabolic path. anyway, what is the problem with heading north after south. circumnavigation and flying across Antarctica prove it is a discrete body with a finite surface area bounded by the coast. hardly an infinite body

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so use a gyroscope to maintain a straight line heading and avoid the parabolic path. anyway, what is the problem with heading north after south.

The problem is that traveling North on a Flat Earth takes you back to the inhabited regions. North is at the center of our local area.
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I don't see what I asked for in that thread.

So in other words you don't have a study for me?
Why is a study required?

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I don't see what I asked for in that thread.

So in other words you don't have a study for me?
Why is a study required?
Because he's aware that there isn't one that would meet strict requirements. He's tring to prove to us that there is no evidence of a round earth..well..aside from satelites... oh yeah and everything else.

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Because he's aware that there isn't one that would meet strict requirements. He's tring to prove to us that there is no evidence of a round earth..well..aside from satelites... oh yeah and everything else.

Strict requirements? I just asked for a study which comes to the conclusion that the earth is a globe.

That's all I asked for!

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Why is a study required?

Because you guys keep telling me that they exist.

Because I want to know who proved that the earth was a globe.

Because every scientific theory has at least one scientific study behind it.

If you guys don't have a study, it means that the Round Earth theory is nothing more than a hypothesis at best.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2008, 10:44:42 PM by Tom Bishop »

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If you guys don't have a study, it means that the Round Earth theory is nothing more than a hypothesis at best.
Well actually, NASA launched a satellite that mapped out the actual shape of the earth, remember?
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Yeah here it is just in case you want to discount it Tom.

http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a010000/a010000/a010088/index.html

http://www.gfz-potsdam.de/pb1/op/champ/media_CHAMP/champ_gps_halfgeo.gif

IT actually does show some flat sides to the earth. Maybe you're kinda right! But not really.
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Why is a study required?
Because you guys keep telling me that they exist.
when has anyone said that outside of this thread?

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Sorry, why would it? After all, you could keep travelling directly away from the magnetic north pole

Lets activate our fantasies for a moment and imagine that we are on a Round Earth at the coast of Antarctica. We have a very large plane with us containing a sufficient amount of fuel. We set off on our journey across thousands and thousands of miles of pure white snow. We observe vast uninhabited featureless lands of stretching farther than the eye can see. Its exciting at first, but eventually the sight becomes pretty boring. Eventually, after hours of flight, we reach the South Magnetic Pole. Everyone screams hooray, the plane circles a few times, lands and everyone gets out to take pictures, plant flags, or whatever we might want to do to celebrate the occasion. But our journey isn't complete yet. We still need to get to the other side. Now, in order to keep going South from the South Magnetic Pole which direction do we need to go in? What bearing should we follow on our compass?

So you're saying that the earth's magnetic field would only cover a small fraction of the earth, if the earth was flat? It wouldn't cover the entire plane?

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Because he's aware that there isn't one that would meet strict requirements. He's tring to prove to us that there is no evidence of a round earth..well..aside from satelites... oh yeah and everything else.

Strict requirements? I just asked for a study which comes to the conclusion that the earth is a globe.

That's all I asked for!

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Why is a study required?

Because you guys keep telling me that they exist.

Because I want to know who proved that the earth was a globe.

Because every scientific theory has at least one scientific study behind it.

If you guys don't have a study, it means that the Round Earth theory is nothing more than a hypothesis at best.

In lieu of a published study, would you settle for an entire branch of science instead?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesy
http://geodesy.noaa.gov/PUBS_LIB/Geodesy4Layman/TR80003A.HTM#ZZ0
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Lol Tom, you are quite good at getting a response. Any study we throw at you, or have ever thrown at you, is all part of the conspiracy.

I wonder whether you can actually consider Round-round earth to be a scientific theory, it isn't really a scientific theory more than an observation, or a fact. Perhaps we could view scientific studies showing that a cube has six faces?
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Because he's aware that there isn't one that would meet strict requirements. He's tring to prove to us that there is no evidence of a round earth..well..aside from satelites... oh yeah and everything else.

Strict requirements? I just asked for a study which comes to the conclusion that the earth is a globe.

That's all I asked for!

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Why is a study required?

Because you guys keep telling me that they exist.

Because I want to know who proved that the earth was a globe.

Because every scientific theory has at least one scientific study behind it.

If you guys don't have a study, it means that the Round Earth theory is nothing more than a hypothesis at best.

In lieu of a published study, would you settle for an entire branch of science instead?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesy
http://geodesy.noaa.gov/PUBS_LIB/Geodesy4Layman/TR80003A.HTM#ZZ0
Already posted :P. But its good to point out. Especially since what I linked is a STUDY
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If you have a couple billion to throw away, go on a trip to Earth orbit, and determine whether it looks like:


Or, take a trip to the Southern Hemisphere.  Be sure to bring an odometer.

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Where's the published study where NASA examines the shape of the earth and comes to the conclusion that the earth is round?
So you're saying that the earth's magnetic field would only cover a small fraction of the earth, if the earth was flat? It wouldn't cover the entire plane?

The magnetic field affects our entire known area of the earth. The field lines come out of the earth vertical at the North Magnetic Pole, sweep outwards horizontally in all directions and become vertical a couple thousand miles beyond the Antarctic rim. This circular area of land where the field lines of vertical beyond the Antarctic rim is the South Magnetic Pole. It encircles the earth.

On a Flat Earth upon reaching the South Magnetic Pole if you travel North you are going back towards the inhabitable region of our local area; the North Pole. The only way to proceed outwards onto the infinite tundra is to ignore your compass and travel in a non-North direction. This is entirely contradictory to the direction you would follow your compass on a Round Earth while making a transcontinental journey across Antarctica.

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In lieu of a published study, would you settle for an entire branch of science instead?

A branch of science which hasn't published a single study for one of its fundamental assumptions. Right.

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I wonder whether you can actually consider Round-round earth to be a scientific theory

If there are competing theories, it's not such a fact now, is it?

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If you have a couple billion to throw away, go on a trip to Earth orbit, and determine whether it looks like:



Both of the scenes look pretty similar to me. You mean the only way to know whether the earth is flat or round from space is to look for that little glare on the earth? Why can't the Flat Earth model have a glare reflected off of the seas?

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Already posted Tongue. But its good to point out. Especially since what I linked is a STUDY

Where's the study that comes to the conclusion that the earth is a globe? Where are the findings published? I don't see anything. It seems as if you've linked me to some stupid animation of a cartoon earth. A cartoon isn't a study. A study has raw data.
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Oops, typed round twice. Anyway, Tom, round-earth theory is as much a theory as 6-faced cube theory, the cube having 6 faces is an observation, just as the shape of the earth is an observation, you can directly observe the shape of the Earth.
You can't observe gravity, relativity, electromagnetism. You can observe their effects, but you have to theorize about what they actually are.
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you can directly observe the shape of the Earth.

I'm directly observing the shape of the earth right now as I look out my window. It's flat.

If you believe that it is really round I would like to see a research study backing that up.
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Where's the study that comes to the conclusion that the earth is a globe? Where are the findings published? I don't see anything. It seems as if you linked me to some stupid animation of a cartoon earth. A cartoon isn't a study. A study has raw data.
The links I posted show the study project. You can find the study somewhere at NTRS (http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp)


for now, order this one http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=860587&id=9&qs=Ntt%3DGeodesy%252Bshape%26Ntk%3Dall%26Ntx%3Dmode%2520matchall%26N%3D0%26Ns%3DHarvestDate%257c1
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Oh right, leave it to NASA to tell us the shape of the earth with a technology which doesn't even exist.  ::)

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Oh right, leave it to NASA to tell us the shape of the earth.  ::)
AND THERE YOU GO! lol. Direct proof, tons of studies, and Tom says its a lie.

Proof that they can't prove the sahpe of the earth, Tom? Proof they didn't do these studies?
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you can directly observe the shape of the Earth.

I'm directly observing the shape of the earth right now as I look out my window. It's flat.

If you believe that it is really round I would like to see a research study backing that up.

Are you 100% sure you're looking out your window? Are you sure it's not a photograph?

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I'm directly observing the shape of the earth right now as I look out my window. It's flat.

But you aren't. You are observing a incredibly small fraction of the surface of the earth. You can't see a flat earth out of your window. You can see a window shaped earth, so you should be concluding that the earth is window shaped.

As already mentioned, people don't perform studies of the shape of the Earth for the same reason they don't perform studies on the number of faces a cube has, or to check if the sun is still hot.

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you can directly observe the shape of the Earth.

I'm directly observing the shape of the earth right now as I look out my window. It's flat.

If you believe that it is really round I would like to see a research study backing that up.

Are you 100% sure you're looking out your window? Are you sure it's not a photograph?
Good point Tom, the conspiracy could just be playing a joke on you. Please provide proof your window is not fake.
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