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Continental drift and earthquakes
« on: February 22, 2008, 10:28:08 AM »
Hey FErs. Got a few questions for you.

Are there any explanations for continental drift, and earthquakes? Surely there are no tectonic plates in the FE model.
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Re: Continental drift and earthquakes
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2008, 10:44:38 AM »
Quote from: Kill-9 on February 22, 2008, 10:28:08 AM
Are there any explanations for continental drift, and earthquakes? Surely there are no tectonic plates in the FE model.

Why would the explanations be any different?

And why are there no tectonic plates?
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Re: Continental drift and earthquakes
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2008, 10:50:19 AM »
Quote from: divito the truthist on February 22, 2008, 10:44:38 AM
Quote from: Kill-9 on February 22, 2008, 10:28:08 AM
Are there any explanations for continental drift, and earthquakes? Surely there are no tectonic plates in the FE model.

Why would the explanations be any different?

And why are there no tectonic plates?
Well for instance, what reason would these plates have to move on a motionless (Except up apparently) plate of rock?
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Re: Continental drift and earthquakes
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2008, 10:56:45 AM »
Quote from: Kill-9 on February 22, 2008, 10:50:19 AM
Well for instance, what reason would these plates have to move on a motionless (Except up apparently) plate of rock?

"There are essentially two types of forces that are thought to influence plate motion: friction and gravity."
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Re: Continental drift and earthquakes
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2008, 11:04:57 AM »
Quote from: divito the truthist on February 22, 2008, 10:56:45 AM
Quote from: Kill-9 on February 22, 2008, 10:50:19 AM
Well for instance, what reason would these plates have to move on a motionless (Except up apparently) plate of rock?

"There are essentially two types of forces that are thought to influence plate motion: friction and gravity."

Well, 2 points on that:

1) FE's model explains gravity as a force pulling us downward as a result of the earth moving up, is it not? That would mean that there would be no accountable lateral motion.

2) Many have theorized that external forces have a part to play as well. One such case is mentioned in the this wikipedia article as "External Forces": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tectonic_plates

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Re: Continental drift and earthquakes
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2008, 12:06:22 PM »
Quote from: Kill-9 on February 22, 2008, 11:04:57 AM
1) FE's model explains gravity as a force pulling us downward as a result of the earth moving up, is it not? That would mean that there would be no accountable lateral motion.

How would RE's "gravity" be any different?

Quote from: Kill-9 on February 22, 2008, 11:04:57 AM
2) Many have theorized that external forces have a part to play as well. One such case is mentioned in the this wikipedia article as "External Forces":

"It was originally raised by the "father" of the plate tectonics hypothesis, Alfred Wegener. It was challenged by the physicist Harold Jeffreys who calculated that the magnitude of tidal friction required would have quickly brought the Earth's rotation to a halt long ago. Many plates are moving north and eastward, and the dominantly westward motion of the Pacific ocean basins is simply from the eastward bias of the Pacific spreading center (which is not a predicted manifestation of such lunar forces). It is argued, however, that relative to the lower mantle, there is a slight westward component in the motions of all the plates."

Granted that there is speculation, there is not much in the way of empirical data. A theory for FE would be no more admissible than the speculation contained for the RE.
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Re: Continental drift and earthquakes
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2008, 12:22:34 PM »
RE's gravity varies depending on the distance you are from the core, FE's does not (or should not if I am right about FE gravity theory).  But more importantly, many of the theories involve the moon's gravitational influence (which would mean that FE's gravity goes out the door, would it not?).

And there is also the motion of the earth spinning.


I admit it doesn't have alot of empirical data, but that can be said about alot of things. Heck, I can't find much empirical data pointing to a flat earth.
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Re: Continental drift and earthquakes
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2008, 03:23:09 PM »
Wait. huge chunks of land, floating on a bed of molten rock...and you can't see any forces capable of instigating continental drift? hoo boy.... Interestingly, here's what the earth would have looked like 270 million years ago if continental drift followed RE patterns
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Re: Continental drift and earthquakes
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2008, 04:43:53 PM »
Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on February 22, 2008, 03:23:09 PM
Wait. huge chunks of land, floating on a bed of molten rock...and you can't see any forces capable of instigating continental drift? hoo boy.... Interestingly, here's what the earth would have looked like 270 million years ago if continental drift followed RE patterns

You talking to me? Cause I didn't say that. However what I DID say is that aside from the normal forces causing continental drift (Friction among other things) are a few forces that don't jive with the FE model. So i am asking about it :).
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Re: Continental drift and earthquakes
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2008, 04:17:44 AM »
no plate tectonics = no earthquakes. i'm sure that i felt an earthquake a few months ago, thus plate tectonics exist.
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Re: Continental drift and earthquakes
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2008, 03:09:02 PM »
There was reported earthquakes in Manchester, UK a few years ago and this year not so long ago and we are no where near the rims of any tetonic plates (as it were), so would it be fair to say that the tetonic plates are the complete reason for earthquakes / tremors?
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Re: Continental drift and earthquakes
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2008, 10:37:57 AM »
I live in Ohio (USA)....about as far inland from any plate boundary you can get (except maybe Nebraska) and we have earthquakes all the time. The difference is that we can't feel them. But there is a fault line that goes right under central Ohio. The recognized "plates" are the major bodies of tectonics, but in all actuality, the entire earth is just a hodgepodge of millions of minor plates, some with their boundaries really far under settled sediment, such as Ohio and possibly Britain.

I actually wouldn't be surprised to find a minor boundary or four up by Scotland, with the Highlands and all.

The best way to illustrate the concept is a cookie. The cookie has lots of little cracks all over it (if it's baked at home and not bought in a store) but has a definite edge. The edge of the cookie is like the major fault lines (pacific rim, Baja plate, etc.) but all the little insignificant cracks are the minor fault lines. And Ohio is a chocolate chip. Because it's tasty and I want someone to eat it to make it go away. (I hate Ohio)
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Re: Continental drift and earthquakes
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2008, 09:02:29 AM »
not all earthquakes are caused by the major tectonic plates. some, most of the samlelr ones, are caused by much smaller faults. these can be nowhere near the major plate boundaries, but are usually caused by movements in tectonic plates putting pressure on the rocks. only tectonic plate movements could create earthquakes such as the kobe earthquake, but smaller ones can happenfar away from faults. also, depending on the angle of subduction, the benioff zone can give deep earthquakes quite far away from boundaries
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Re: Continental drift and earthquakes
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2008, 09:09:19 PM »
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not all earthquakes are caused by the major tectonic plates. some, most of the samlelr ones, are caused by much smaller faults. these can be nowhere near the major plate boundaries, but are usually caused by movements in tectonic plates putting pressure on the rocks. only tectonic plate movements could create earthquakes such as the kobe earthquake, but smaller ones can happenfar away from faults. also, depending on the angle of subduction, the benioff zone can give deep earthquakes quite far away from boundaries

What I said...minus the technical stuff....plus cookies. Mmmm.... cookie earthquakes.

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Re: Continental drift and earthquakes
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2008, 12:46:57 AM »
hmmm, the FE's have stopped posting...
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Re: Continental drift and earthquakes
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2008, 01:01:12 AM »
None of them ever started posting...
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