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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2008, 04:45:07 PM »
You can't see the curve from ground level. All photos from ground level or even from mountain tops that show a curve do so due to lens distortion. You can see the curve after you climb to around 60k+ feet.

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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2008, 05:11:39 PM »
Should just point out that Michamus's line ends, on the right-hand side of the image, in the wrong place (i.e nowhere near the actual horizon).
And on the left hand side.
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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2008, 05:32:05 PM »
Should just point out that Michamus's line ends, on the right-hand side of the image, in the wrong place (i.e nowhere near the actual horizon).
Go ahead and pull up the original image in PhotoShop. Increase Zoom to 1000%. This will give you a clear view of where the pixel for the ground ends, and the pixel for the sky begins. Tag that section. Now look at the far right horizon and tag it. Now the easy part. Run a single line across it. (Also, I hope you are scrolling the image so you can see it's entire width.)

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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2008, 05:49:16 PM »
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Thanks for the advice, looks like the horizon pretty clearly moves down, away from the line.  I'd say that counts as a point for RE personally.

Actually, it just means that the camera was slightly tilted.

If there was actual curvature the highest point of the horizon would be at the center of the image.

It's not.

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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2008, 05:50:22 PM »
You didn't see a curvature because the humans EYE SIGHT is not strong enough to see it.
But that does not matter.. What does matter is the fact that people have taken photos of the earth from SPACE and proven it to be round from those photos...

You keep telling us to prove the earth is round, but when we ask you to prove a flat earth, all you can do is try to contradict Round Earth beliefs.

How about you start by PROVING the photos are faked! Can you do that Tom? Can you prove the photos from space, OF EARTH are fake?

How about trying to come up with original ideas of why the earth is flat, IN STEAD of trying to prove ROUND EARTH wrong... Get all your experiments, all your ideas, and make a FLAT EARTH.

Give me photos of a FLAT EARTH, give me SCIENTIFIC PROOF of a FLAT EARTH. (you cant)

Give me REASON TO BELIEVE A FLAT EARTH! When so much proof points to a Round earth!
And before you say "show this proof that you say proves a round earth", SHOW ME PROOF THAT A FLAT EARTH EXISTS...
That is all, SHOW ME PROOF!! And don't say "the burden is on you to prove a round earth", the BURDEN is on you to prove an otherwise PERFECT explanation of a round earth. We have EXCELLENT explanations for many things that happen OUTSIDE of this earth, but what do you have?

LUNAR ECLIPSE (fe version = shadow object)  =  A shadow object which CAN NOT BE TRACED or LOCATED. Which can not be proven real... WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THIS SHADOW OBJECT?

TRY AGAIN! (is what many people have said)
But there is no trying again, We live on a round earth, and until it is PROVEN wrong by individual experiments, we will always live on a round earth...

You say, Samuel Rowbotham has PROVEN round earth wrong! Well, tell me how many scientists have CONFIRMED his experiments and ALSO AGREED on the outcome?

You can NOT rely on ONE PERSONS experiments, then say "THEY ARE TRUE NO MATTER WHAT". They must GAIN truth by other scientists mimicking or doing the experiment AGAIN and getting the same results.. But the truth is, MANY upon MANY (hundreds) of scientists have re-created Samuel Rowbotham's experiments and proven it wrong time after time again by getting different results.

Maybe there have been more than just Samuel Rowbotham's explanations, but why hasn't it been agreed upon by MILLIONS of scientists THAT ARE NOT UNDER THE CONSPIRACY?

Its because it is not TRUE... IF it where true, don't you think many other SCIENTISTS (and not only scientists, but some intellectuals) would also make articles and statements about a flat earth being true...

The only thing you can do is HIDE behind your COMPUTER SCREEN and keep saying stuff that you do, Tom Bishop, BUT if you REALLY REALLY believed in a FLAT earth and could PROVE IT, you would win a NOBEL PRIZE... Which you havn't, so right now, we live on a ROUND EARTH, until you can prove otherwise
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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2008, 05:53:07 PM »
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You didn't see a curvature because the humans EYE SIGHT is not strong enough to see it.

But that does not matter.. What does matter is the fact that people have taken photos of the earth from SPACE and proven it to be round from those photos...

I've never seen a globe earth from space. Have you?

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You keep telling us to prove the earth is round, but when we ask you to prove a flat earth, all you can do is try to contradict Round Earth beliefs.

Actually over the last 150 years of its existance the Flat Earth Society has proven Flat Earth Theory many times over. Experimental evidence can be found linked in my signature.

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How about you start by PROVING the photos are faked! Can you do that Tom? Can you prove the photos from space, OF EARTH are fake?

We've already proved that the earth is flat. Therefore we've also proven that the images of the earth as a globe must be fake.

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Give me photos of a FLAT EARTH

Why do you need a photo when you can just look out your window?
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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2008, 06:36:55 PM »
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Actually over the last 150 years of its existance the Flat Earth Society has proven Flat Earth Theory many times over. Experimental evidence can be found linked in my signature.

Your experiments prove nothing about the shape of the earth.
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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2008, 07:06:29 PM »
I've ever seen a globe earth from space. Have you?
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Why do you need a photo when you can just look out your window?

I'm afraid I'd have to go with Tom on this one. Truly, I've ever, ever seen a globe earth from space, I don't think I've ever been to space. Therefore, I simply look out my window, but that is never entirly effective since my window is positioned in front of a  solid white fence. The fence IS completely flat, with no curvature, so technically Tom, you are correct.

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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2008, 07:15:52 PM »
Indeed.  By the same principle, I see red rectangles outside of my window.  The only conclusion that I can draw is that what you see outside of your window is relative!  Now try to keep up here.  The vista viewed from one window varies from window to window and person to person.  The only exception to this law is the blind, which is why they should be eradicated in order to purify the genepool and achieve the FES' ultimate goal.

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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2008, 07:51:45 PM »
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You didn't see a curvature because the humans EYE SIGHT is not strong enough to see it.

But that does not matter.. What does matter is the fact that people have taken photos of the earth from SPACE and proven it to be round from those photos...

I've ever seen a globe earth from space. Have you?

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You keep telling us to prove the earth is round, but when we ask you to prove a flat earth, all you can do is try to contradict Round Earth beliefs.

Actually over the last 150 years of its existance the Flat Earth Society has proven Flat Earth Theory many times over. Experimental evidence can be found linked in my signature.

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How about you start by PROVING the photos are faked! Can you do that Tom? Can you prove the photos from space, OF EARTH are fake?

We've already proved that the earth is flat. Therefore we've also proven that the images of the earth as a globe must be fake.

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Give me photos of a FLAT EARTH

Why do you need a photo when you can just look out your window?

Tom...are you really a bot? If not, you're friggin retarded, its obvious the guy is making fun of Eric...
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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2008, 06:09:14 AM »
You didn't see a curvature because the humans EYE SIGHT is not strong enough to see it.
But that does not matter.. What does matter is the fact that people have taken photos of the earth from SPACE and proven it to be round from those photos...

You keep telling us to prove the earth is round, but when we ask you to prove a flat earth, all you can do is try to contradict Round Earth beliefs.

How about you start by PROVING the photos are faked! Can you do that Tom? Can you prove the photos from space, OF EARTH are fake?

How about trying to come up with original ideas of why the earth is flat, IN STEAD of trying to prove ROUND EARTH wrong... Get all your experiments, all your ideas, and make a FLAT EARTH.

Give me photos of a FLAT EARTH, give me SCIENTIFIC PROOF of a FLAT EARTH. (you cant)

Give me REASON TO BELIEVE A FLAT EARTH! When so much proof points to a Round earth!
And before you say "show this proof that you say proves a round earth", SHOW ME PROOF THAT A FLAT EARTH EXISTS...
That is all, SHOW ME PROOF!! And don't say "the burden is on you to prove a round earth", the BURDEN is on you to prove an otherwise PERFECT explanation of a round earth. We have EXCELLENT explanations for many things that happen OUTSIDE of this earth, but what do you have?

LUNAR ECLIPSE (fe version = shadow object)  =  A shadow object which CAN NOT BE TRACED or LOCATED. Which can not be proven real... WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THIS SHADOW OBJECT?

TRY AGAIN! (is what many people have said)
But there is no trying again, We live on a round earth, and until it is PROVEN wrong by individual experiments, we will always live on a round earth...

You say, Samuel Rowbotham has PROVEN round earth wrong! Well, tell me how many scientists have CONFIRMED his experiments and ALSO AGREED on the outcome?

You can NOT rely on ONE PERSONS experiments, then say "THEY ARE TRUE NO MATTER WHAT". They must GAIN truth by other scientists mimicking or doing the experiment AGAIN and getting the same results.. But the truth is, MANY upon MANY (hundreds) of scientists have re-created Samuel Rowbotham's experiments and proven it wrong time after time again by getting different results.

Maybe there have been more than just Samuel Rowbotham's explanations, but why hasn't it been agreed upon by MILLIONS of scientists THAT ARE NOT UNDER THE CONSPIRACY?

Its because it is not TRUE... IF it where true, don't you think many other SCIENTISTS (and not only scientists, but some intellectuals) would also make articles and statements about a flat earth being true...

The only thing you can do is HIDE behind your COMPUTER SCREEN and keep saying stuff that you do, Tom Bishop, BUT if you REALLY REALLY believed in a FLAT earth and could PROVE IT, you would win a NOBEL PRIZE... Which you havn't, so right now, we live on a ROUND EARTH, until you can prove otherwise

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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2008, 06:53:36 AM »
I've ever seen a globe earth from space. Have you?
How about my personal experience from HALO? I suppose the curvature I saw at roughly 25000ft was an optical illusion?

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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2008, 07:05:06 AM »
So you don't want to believe in the evidence thats right in front of you?

Oh, so Criss Angel does levitate? Why did I ever discount such evidence that was right in front of me? How foolish of me.
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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2008, 08:51:13 AM »
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Thanks for the advice, looks like the horizon pretty clearly moves down, away from the line.  I'd say that counts as a point for RE personally.

Actually, it just means that the camera was slightly tilted.

If there was actual curvature the highest point of the horizon would be at the center of the image.

It's not.

You know what Tom?  I'm willing to agree with you on this.  Their is a very good chance that this photograph was at a slight angle, on that remained unnoticed without the line.

But then, it doesn't make very good evidence for FET.  Until I see a photograph from high altitude that in which a curvature of the Earth can not be detected through some means I will not disregard the vast amount of evidence for the RE.

And before you pull up stuff like "looking out the window" or "How can I know what I haven't seen" sort of arguments, I'd like to state that, from a scientific standpoint, I can not be satisfied only with what my eyes can see.  RE has plenty of easily repeatable experiments and predictions that can be observed any day, versus one book written by Robowtham who so fully believed he was correct that I believe there is a chance it skewed the conclusions he drew from the data he collected.  Not to mention the little fact that, as Messiah pointed out rather loudly, no one has been able to duplicate his results.

If you feel you can, I invite any proponants of the FET to perform Robowtham's experiments themselves and post the proof somewhere for us to see it.
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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2008, 09:49:12 AM »
I'd like to state that, from a scientific standpoint, I can not be satisfied only with what my eyes can see.

Yet you chalked up that picture before as evidence for RE.
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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2008, 10:59:49 AM »
I've ever seen a globe earth from space. Have you?
How about my personal experience from HALO? I suppose the curvature I saw at roughly 25000ft was an optical illusion?
Lol @ computer game being used as geographical proof.

I too live in the very real universe known as HALO, except... I don't. Shut up.

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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2008, 11:07:38 AM »
I think he's probably referring to HALO: High Altitude Low Opening as in parachutes?  The opposite of LAPES or Low Altitude Parachute Extraction System (I think).

*Edit*  But still the generally accepted altitude would be more like 60,000 ft., not 25,000 ft., for the curvature to be observed.
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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2008, 11:42:27 AM »
I was not aware of that abbreviation, my bad.

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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #48 on: March 13, 2008, 11:44:31 AM »
I'd like to state that, from a scientific standpoint, I can not be satisfied only with what my eyes can see.

Yet you chalked up that picture before as evidence for RE.

True, and now I'm admitting that I was mistaken for doing so.
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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #49 on: March 13, 2008, 11:52:51 AM »
I was not aware of that abbreviation, my bad.

Forgive me, Roo.  My post rereads as that of a prig....so, my bad.

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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #50 on: March 13, 2008, 05:54:56 PM »
I think he's probably referring to HALO: High Altitude Low Opening as in parachutes?  The opposite of LAPES or Low Altitude Parachute Extraction System (I think).

*Edit*  But still the generally accepted altitude would be more like 60,000 ft., not 25,000 ft., for the curvature to be observed.

I can honestly tell you that I have seen curvature at 25000ft. As for curvature at 60,000 ft it is more obvious then at 25000ft. I wish I was authorized to take pictures, but obviously that is taboo due to the nature of the training.

As for the Opposite of HALO, that would be LALO (Low Altitude Low Opening).


I've ever seen a globe earth from space. Have you?
How about my personal experience from HALO? I suppose the curvature I saw at roughly 25000ft was an optical illusion?
Lol @ computer game being used as geographical proof.

I too live in the very real universe known as HALO, except... I don't. Shut up.

Hmmm, I really don't know how to put this lightly. HALO (Game) obviously has nothing to do with ME being at 25000ft, unless you are playing a new version of HALO (Game) that enables you to fly at great altitudes?

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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #51 on: March 13, 2008, 06:12:09 PM »
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I can honestly tell you that I have seen curvature at 25000ft. As for curvature at 60,000 ft it is more obvious then at 25000ft. I wish I was authorized to take pictures, but obviously that is taboo due to the nature of the training.

As for the Opposite of HALO, that would be LALO (Low Altitude Low Opening).

That's funny. Curvature isn't even seen from the summit of Mt. Everest.

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0207/everest_mackenzie.jpg

A height far higher than 25,000 feet.

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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #52 on: March 13, 2008, 08:52:07 PM »
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I can honestly tell you that I have seen curvature at 25000ft. As for curvature at 60,000 ft it is more obvious then at 25000ft. I wish I was authorized to take pictures, but obviously that is taboo due to the nature of the training.

As for the Opposite of HALO, that would be LALO (Low Altitude Low Opening).

That's funny. Curvature isn't even seen from the summit of Mt. Everest.

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0207/everest_mackenzie.jpg

A height far higher than 25,000 feet.

No Tom, it's not funny. That photo is of mountain ranges. The changes in altitude from the mountains are going to completely mask any curvature of the Earth.

Besides, I believe that shot is a 360 degree panorama. I think they would have had to edit it to combine the images and line up the edges.
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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #53 on: March 13, 2008, 11:47:12 PM »
Besides, I believe that shot is a 360 degree panorama. I think they would have had to edit it to combine the images and line up the edges.

And since they didn't edit it, we have yet another proof for a flat earth.
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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #54 on: March 14, 2008, 12:41:09 AM »
Besides, I believe that shot is a 360 degree panorama. I think they would have had to edit it to combine the images and line up the edges.

And since they didn't edit it, we have yet another proof for a flat earth.

Sorry, this is no proof for a flat earth.  The edges would still line up even if the horizon was curved.  Each picture in the panorama would show the exact same curvature; there would be a bulge in the middle at the exact same height in all pictures.  When put together, the horizon would appear to bulge up and down identically for each picture, sort of like a wave.  All of the edges would match up. 

Of course this effect would probably be unnoticeable.
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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #55 on: March 14, 2008, 02:09:03 AM »
Besides, I believe that shot is a 360 degree panorama. I think they would have had to edit it to combine the images and line up the edges.

And since they didn't edit it, we have yet another proof for a flat earth.

Sorry, this is no proof for a flat earth.  The edges would still line up even if the horizon was curved.  Each picture in the panorama would show the exact same curvature; there would be a bulge in the middle at the exact same height in all pictures.  When put together, the horizon would appear to bulge up and down identically for each picture, sort of like a wave.  All of the edges would match up. 

Of course this effect would probably be unnoticeable.

A true panorama will not show any curvature because it is a cylindrical projection.   Some "stitching" software will convert normal rectilinear images to cylindrical before stitching them together.

Even if the images are just stitched together without conversion, the geometry of the new image will be non-rectalinear.  Therefore I don't think it can be treated as reliable evidence. 

There's a very good explanation of it all here.
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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #56 on: March 14, 2008, 03:07:19 AM »
There you go.  Good explanation.
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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #57 on: March 14, 2008, 12:08:08 PM »
So you don't want to believe in the evidence thats right in front of you?

Oh, so Criss Angel does levitate? Why did I ever discount such evidence that was right in front of me? How foolish of me.
So your saying that the horizon wants me to think its curved when its not? And that its on a shitty TV show? Can you explain this or are you just being a dick cause I showed clear curvature of the earth?

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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #58 on: March 14, 2008, 12:22:56 PM »
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I can honestly tell you that I have seen curvature at 25000ft. As for curvature at 60,000 ft it is more obvious then at 25000ft. I wish I was authorized to take pictures, but obviously that is taboo due to the nature of the training.

As for the Opposite of HALO, that would be LALO (Low Altitude Low Opening).

That's funny. Curvature isn't even seen from the summit of Mt. Everest.

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0207/everest_mackenzie.jpg

A height far higher than 25,000 feet.
I can see surves. Especially with all the clouds and mountains in the way.. however this photo doesn't prove anything for any side since you can't really see the horizon.

This is much like asking for curvature in this photo: http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/rich-tehrani/uploads/taxi.jpg

Can you see the curve of the earth? you now.. behind the taxi, and buildings, and people in the way?

You'd need something more like this: http://www.memorable-beach-vacations.com/image-files/florida-satellite-beach-atlantic-ocean-waves-surf-bird-640w-8900ect.jpg
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Re: Visible Curvature
« Reply #59 on: March 14, 2008, 02:08:24 PM »
So your saying that the horizon wants me to think its curved when its not? And that its on a shitty TV show? Can you explain this or are you just being a dick cause I showed clear curvature of the earth?

So, a straw wants you to think it's disjointed in a glass of water?

Or, an object in the distance across a hot tarmac wants you to think that it's warping?
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