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I was wondering...
« on: February 14, 2008, 08:24:37 PM »
Okay, maybe this should be in another section of the boards, but i couldn't think of where.  My apologies to the moderators.

I was wondering why everyone out there believes in a round/flat earth (I mean really believes, not just argues for).  Just curious really.  I expect this thread will be moved/locked soon enough but I had to try.

Anyway, I'll start:

I believe the Earth is round because the RE model allows for so many predictions of events such as eclipses and star movements.  i can't think of how these calculations could work the same on a flat Earth.
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2008, 09:58:50 PM »
A few and by a few I mean less than 10 believe in a flat earth.  The rest believe in a round earth. 
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2008, 07:03:08 AM »
I believe the earth is flat because I hit my head too many times
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2008, 07:16:01 AM »
I believe in neither, because neither can be known. A spherical Earth is far more plausible and likely given the evidence and presentation.
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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2008, 09:00:26 PM »
I know very few actually believe in FET, I'm just curious as to why they believe.
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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2008, 10:44:02 PM »
Believing in a RE I can't really answer that question (why FEers believe) but I do have a theory. I think there are a few core people who rationally know FE theory is bogus but it's so fun to watch people freak out about it. The rest are suggestible minds who want to believe something huge like a FE. Anyone who legitimately believes in a FE based on evidence is lacking reasonable faculties.
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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2008, 09:55:02 AM »
My search for a flat earth began due to a mystical experience.  However, it was only solidified with evidence.
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2008, 10:16:40 AM »
My search for a flat earth began due to a mystical experience.  However, it was only solidified with evidence.

You saw an episode of MindFreak with Chriss Angel? 
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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2008, 10:36:32 AM »
Can't you spam in the non-serious forums?
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2008, 10:44:25 AM »
Believing in a RE I can't really answer that question (why FEers believe) but I do have a theory. I think there are a few core people who rationally know FE theory is bogus but it's so fun to watch people freak out about it. The rest are suggestible minds who want to believe something huge like a FE. Anyone who legitimately believes in a FE based on evidence is lacking reasonable faculties.

You forgot about the Biblical literalists (there's got to be a couple).  Or any other religious/mystical reason (for example, username mentioned a mystical experience).



username, could you describe this experience you had, including any visions, circumstances, etc?
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2008, 10:50:29 AM »
The experience itself is extremely personal and a bit undescribable anyways.  However it did leave me with an unshakable feeling that something was "wrong" with the earth.  This lead me to look into it and I eventually made it to the belief that the earth was indeed flat.
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2008, 10:54:40 AM »
The experience itself is extremely personal and a bit undescribable anyways.  However it did leave me with an unshakable feeling that something was "wrong" with the earth.  This lead me to look into it and I eventually made it to the belief that the earth was indeed flat.

I guess you don't want to chronical how you went from "something was 'wrong"" to "the Earth is flat?"

It would certainly make an extremely interesting thread, and without it I'm confused as to how you went from point a to point z.  ???
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2008, 11:00:37 AM »
The experience itself is extremely personal and a bit undescribable anyways.  However it did leave me with an unshakable feeling that something was "wrong" with the earth.  This lead me to look into it and I eventually made it to the belief that the earth was indeed flat.

lol, probably woke up one day and realized, "Wait a minute, if the ground is flat the earth must be flat! Duh, why haven't I thought of this before?" Then proceeded to find psudo-scientific claims to back that up, also including a mass conspiracy involving innumerable players. Seems pretty understandable to me.
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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2008, 11:05:35 AM »
In short, sure.

I began with reading up on Mysticism and mystical experiences, their meaning, their validity, etc.  From there I decided to search more in the occult and religious texts as well as works like Charles Fort.  It became clear that while every religious text I could find talked of the earth in terms of a flat surface, this was baseless and useless.  The other work discussing what might be considered "wrong" with the world didn't quite fit what i got form the experience.  It was obvious that it was a physical "wrongness" with the world, not an idea like Samsara or such or a spiritual wrongness with the world.  The works of Charles Fort and similar, however, lead me towards thinking about science and how its been very wrong in the past and why.

From there it became obvious that the search had to be one done within the realms of science (of one kind or another), and that substantially lowered the options.  I tinkered with some ideas involving fractal reality or recursive reality, still shying away from the FE theories due to its religious history.  However, its hard to not search on the earth and our conceptions of it and not at every turn being faced with the literature and history behind the flat vs globe argument, so that was always there.  I started thinking about it, and it became clear that I always knew at some level that the earth was greater than us and larger than any of us could truly comprehend - larger than even the heavens.  It was then I began trying to combine my views about recursive earths, or earths shaped as parabolic shapes into a flat earth world view.  It was around this time I started looking into this site more, at least as I remember it.  Sooner after it became obvious the infinite nature of the earth.

I never really bought into the hollow earth, etc theories.  However, the growing earth has been interesting to me of late;  I have been looking into the flat earth implications.

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Re: I was wondering...
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2008, 11:06:09 AM »
The experience itself is extremely personal and a bit undescribable anyways.  However it did leave me with an unshakable feeling that something was "wrong" with the earth.  This lead me to look into it and I eventually made it to the belief that the earth was indeed flat.

lol, probably woke up one day and realized, "Wait a minute, if the ground is flat the earth must be flat! Duh, why haven't I thought of this before?" Then proceeded to find psudo-scientific claims to back that up, also including a mass conspiracy involving innumerable players. Seems pretty understandable to me.
From someone with your background, I would have assumed you would know the definition of a mystical experience.

That said, I have always had a gut feeling there was no conspiracy and that we are just "viewing the facts" wrong.  However, it really is an undefensiable position and so I leave it at that, a gut feeling.
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2008, 11:14:35 AM »
Can't you spam in the non-serious forums?

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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2008, 11:16:52 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2008, 11:36:52 AM »
The experience itself is extremely personal and a bit undescribable anyways.  However it did leave me with an unshakable feeling that something was "wrong" with the earth.  This lead me to look into it and I eventually made it to the belief that the earth was indeed flat.

lol, probably woke up one day and realized, "Wait a minute, if the ground is flat the earth must be flat! Duh, why haven't I thought of this before?" Then proceeded to find psudo-scientific claims to back that up, also including a mass conspiracy involving innumerable players. Seems pretty understandable to me.
From someone with your background, I would have assumed you would know the definition of a mystical experience.

That said, I have always had a gut feeling there was no conspiracy and that we are just "viewing the facts" wrong.  However, it really is an undefensiable position and so I leave it at that, a gut feeling.

That admission leads me to say that you should never argue your position and leave it a gut feeling if you have no cogent argument. I say this because I believe scientific claims can never be decided on gut feeling alone. Theres no point in ever arguing if your reason knows its indefensible. You very well may think its such a big issue we are not understanding it all, but you'd have to concede that space travel has occurred and the round earth was observed. Unless you think the pictures and such were faked but that leads you back to a conspiracy.
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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2008, 11:37:59 AM »
When I argue, I always argue that there is a conspiracy.
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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2008, 01:14:49 PM »
When I argue, I always argue that there is a conspiracy.
Because you have too.  There are things that are unexplainible unless you call them a conspiracy. 
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2008, 01:22:31 PM »
When I argue, I always argue that there is a conspiracy.
Because you have too.  There are things that are unexplainible unless you call them a conspiracy. 
Actually you know what, nevermind.  I think I'm done conversing with you.  You truely are a stupid and immature version of gulliver.  And I have no  place for that in my schedule.
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2008, 01:24:08 PM »
When I argue, I always argue that there is a conspiracy.
Because you have too.  There are things that are unexplainible unless you call them a conspiracy. 
Actually you know what, nevermind.  I think I'm done conversing with you.  You truely are a stupid and immature version of gulliver.  And I have no  place for that in my schedule.
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2008, 01:24:54 PM »
Against my better judgement:

The same could be said for anything thats true.
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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2008, 07:55:12 PM »
I realised it was flat on hallucinogens. I take them quite a lot, for personal reasons. Actually, just because I love getting high.
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2008, 04:42:56 AM »
Unfortunately Tom Bishop cannot be counted as an FE believer, since he is a bot and is programmed to believe it. Not human, not an FE believer.

Me, I realised the Earth was flat when I was recruited by the conspiracy. My we had a few laughs.
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