The obvious issue with the FE Map...

We will know when they finish the race

So how is a race which has not occurred, and may not even occur, considered evidence at all?

Try imagining this then Tom.

You figure out which direction East is before you start moving.  Then you begin moving in the direction that East is, never turning, always moving in the same direction in a perfectly straight line.

On a sphere, you'll wind up back at the point where you started eventually.

On a disk, you'll wind up at the edge.

On a globe you would also deviate southward by traveling in a perfect straight line.

Imagine that we are on top of the globe earth again, twenty feet from the point of Magnetic North. You find the bearing of East and walk in a perfectly straight line. Do you continue Eastwards or do you deviate Southwards towards Antarctica?

This is like a text adventure. I want to go east

Turn to page 79.

"You travel turnwise for a several miles until all of a sudden you come across a man lying in a ditch at the side of the road. The man is holding a copy of the latest FES news letter in one hand and in the other hand he is holding a pen. He is wearing a name badge that is too scuffed to make out the full name but you know the inital of his First name is T and the last letter of his surname is P. Is he unconcious or dead? You cautiously push him with your hand. He begins to stir. "What is your name?" You ask.

The man does not reply. He brings up the FES newsletter and holds it in front of you. He starts to utter something quietly. You lean closer and lend your ear towards him so as to hear his faint words.

"Go.....go...."

"Go where?!" you respond anxiously

"Go...b-aack..."

The man sighs slowly and his already squinted eyes close as his body slumps and his hand falls back to his side.

"wait! why do I need to go back? What do you mean? I can't go back I've come to far!. Tell me sir, why should I go back? What horrors await me ahead?"

The man does not respond. You check his pulse, he is still alive! But only barely. You suspect he may not have much time left. You decide to carry on and ignore this strangers advice. However you are in two minds as to whether you should take this man with you as he may be able to guide you on your journey and warn you of any dangers that may lie ahead.

Do you:
Carry on and leave the man but take his newsletter and pen?
Carry on but take the man with you?

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We will know when they finish the race

So how is a race which has not occurred, and may not even occur, considered evidence at all?

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Try imagining this then Tom.

You figure out which direction East is before you start moving.  Then you begin moving in the direction that East is, never turning, always moving in the same direction in a perfectly straight line.

On a sphere, you'll wind up back at the point where you started eventually.

On a disk, you'll wind up at the edge.

On a globe you would also deviate southward by traveling in a perfect straight line.

Imagine that we are on top of the globe earth again, twenty feet from the point of Magnetic North. You find the bearing of East and walk in a perfectly straight line. Do you continue Eastwards or do you deviate Southwards towards Antarctica?

You seem to have serious issues in regard to true north and magnetic north. If you find true east(not magnetic east), you will not deviate south. You have serious issues.

I'll take the man with me

Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on February 16, 2008, 06:43:19 AM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 16, 2008, 12:48:53 AM

You don't have any evidence demonstrating that they finished in the precise location they started.

What about the people holding the race from shore?

They don't exist.

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Back on topic please, what about people who can follow a line of latitude without using a compass and wind up back where they started just by moving in a straight line?

RE:  Possible.

FE:  Not possible.  Unless you use a compass to ensure you are, indeed, walking on the same line of latitude.  Otherwise you will reach the edge of the disk or "ice wall."

And Tom?  That's latitude as in 'runs from east to west all around the Earth."  Your previous answer reffered to longitude.

Traveling East or West would take you on a curved path on the Round Earth model too. East and West are not straight. Imagine that you are on top of the Round Earth, 20 feet away from the North Magnetic Pole. You decide to travel Eastwards continuously. Where does your path take you?

I think when Tom talks we should just all have a good laugh, smoke a joint and realize how silly it is to be debating against a magical conspiracy.

What you have to do is play his game of a straight line.

A straight line is just that straight. A straight line from anywhere on the globe would go on indefinitely into space, not follow the curvature of the earth. Lay a straight edge on a ball and where does it go? I doesn't follow the curve of the ball it forms a tangent to the ball. The definition of a straight line you mean is following the curvature of the earth. If you are exactly at true north you can only go south on a globe, no other direction. You need to restate your question by saying you will follow the curvature of the earth in a never deviating path or something like that. 

You also have to remember that the RE has an axis, so leaving from true north is problematic. For example: if you are even only say 2 feet off of true north and head east you will go in a little tiny circle east in a 4 foot diameter around the axis. It would also help to start on the equator and then travel east because then you are at the widest point on the RE model and east west travel works very well. But east west also works very well in FE except distances get very long in the south.

Does this help with the argument?

I'll take the man with me

depends how heavy is

So how is a race which has not occurred, and may not even occur, considered evidence at all?



The race is happening now

And FE is winning!!!


I'm sorry

Quote from: Baron Von Skankenstein on February 17, 2008, 01:05:23 PM

I'll take the man with me

depends how heavy is

If I empty my rucksack of gold and treasure I should be able to manage it

wow, people are still posting in this forum?

wow, people are still posting in this forum?

This is a thread. 

Quote from: Loard Z on February 18, 2008, 04:50:57 PM

wow, people are still posting in this forum?

This is a thread. 

In a forum, dumbshoe.

Quote from: sokarul on February 18, 2008, 04:56:55 PM

Quote from: Loard Z on February 18, 2008, 04:50:57 PM

wow, people are still posting in this forum?

This is a thread. 

In a forum, dumbshoe.

Yes, the flatearthsociety.org is a forum and this is a post in the thread titled "The obvious issue with the FE Map...".  Why would you ask if people still post on the flatearthsociety in this thread?

theflatearthsociety.org is several forums.

I'm amazed that people are still discussing gravity in this particular one.

I'm glad I wasn't your teacher.

theflatearthsociety.org is several forums.

I'm amazed that people are still discussing gravity in this particular one.

I'm glad I wasn't your teacher.

So why were you asking why people still post in the Flat Earth Debate & Discussion?  You should of left it how I said it so it doesn't make you look so stupid. 

I can only see one stupid person in this debate.

I can only see one stupid person in this debate.

You said "wow, people are still posting in this forum?"  So why would people not still be posting in the Flat Earth Debate & Discussion?

Isn't it obvious?

Isn't it obvious?

No, thats why it makes it look like you were calling a thread a forum. Why would they stop? 

*hint* satire *hint*

You're both dumbshoes

You're both dumbshoes

qfdumbshoe

Take this nonsense off my thread, and please delete your nonsense posts so we can get back on topic. Enough of this.

Again:

Now, the Earth is flat, yes? and its basically a circle, yes? Now why do we curve along paths? I mean, why do objects tend to veer left or right towards the North pole? I've heard magnetism, yet plastic and aluminum objects do it, and they all do it the same, without regard to ferrous content. So...what? Don't give me any nonsense on straight lines going into space, or curvature on RE, because gravitation/gravity tends to do the trick there. Either you must come up with another force to deal with it on FE, or you must have a good explanation