International space station: I saw it last night

I never said the stars were in orbit around the Earth.


You pictures did not prove that the rotation is not perfectly circular. Did you do any calculations?

I never said the stars were in orbit around the Earth.


You pictures did not prove that the rotation is not perfectly circular. Did you do any calculations?

OMG it's round earth tom.

If the stars in that image rotated in a perfect circle there would not be irregularities in the rings where bands collect or separate on either side of the system's center.

Elaborate.
If you are saying that when the stars appear to rotate, they would form a perfect pattern in circle density from side to side, then you are wrong. The stars are random and clusters are likely. A portion of white stripes on one side of the center has no bearing on the other side as the image doesn't capture a full rotation.

Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 10:37:46 AM

I never said the stars were in orbit around the Earth.


You pictures did not prove that the rotation is not perfectly circular. Did you do any calculations?

OMG it's round earth tom.

Why? He posted a picture as "proof" but he does not know what shape those are exactly.

It is a legitimate question. How did he calculate that the image is not perfectly circular?

If he wants to make claims, he has to back it up.

Quote from: Saint Raist on February 13, 2008, 11:38:05 AM

Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 10:37:46 AM

I never said the stars were in orbit around the Earth.


You pictures did not prove that the rotation is not perfectly circular. Did you do any calculations?

OMG it's round earth tom.

Why? He posted a picture as "proof" but he does not know what shape those are exactly.

It is a legitimate question. How did he calculate that the image is not perfectly circular?

If he wants to make claims, he has to back it up.

Not insulting you. Just you started to remind me of him. Not quite understanding the concept.

Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 12:29:47 PM

Quote from: Saint Raist on February 13, 2008, 11:38:05 AM

Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 10:37:46 AM

I never said the stars were in orbit around the Earth.


You pictures did not prove that the rotation is not perfectly circular. Did you do any calculations?

OMG it's round earth tom.

Why? He posted a picture as "proof" but he does not know what shape those are exactly.

It is a legitimate question. How did he calculate that the image is not perfectly circular?

If he wants to make claims, he has to back it up.

Not insulting you. Just you started to remind me of him. Not quite understanding the concept.

Which concept? That he makes wild claims without proof? Or that he makes wild claims in contradiction to logical proofs?

Quote from: Saint Raist on February 13, 2008, 12:35:15 PM

Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 12:29:47 PM

Quote from: Saint Raist on February 13, 2008, 11:38:05 AM

Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 10:37:46 AM

I never said the stars were in orbit around the Earth.


You pictures did not prove that the rotation is not perfectly circular. Did you do any calculations?

OMG it's round earth tom.

Why? He posted a picture as "proof" but he does not know what shape those are exactly.

It is a legitimate question. How did he calculate that the image is not perfectly circular?

If he wants to make claims, he has to back it up.

Not insulting you. Just you started to remind me of him. Not quite understanding the concept.

Which concept? That he makes wild claims without proof? Or that he makes wild claims in contradiction to logical proofs?

That you were talking about stars not having to move in a perfect circle, because orbits weren't round or some crap like that. Didn't make sense.

Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 12:36:43 PM

Quote from: Saint Raist on February 13, 2008, 12:35:15 PM

Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 12:29:47 PM

Quote from: Saint Raist on February 13, 2008, 11:38:05 AM

Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 10:37:46 AM

I never said the stars were in orbit around the Earth.


You pictures did not prove that the rotation is not perfectly circular. Did you do any calculations?

OMG it's round earth tom.

Why? He posted a picture as "proof" but he does not know what shape those are exactly.

It is a legitimate question. How did he calculate that the image is not perfectly circular?

If he wants to make claims, he has to back it up.

Not insulting you. Just you started to remind me of him. Not quite understanding the concept.

Which concept? That he makes wild claims without proof? Or that he makes wild claims in contradiction to logical proofs?

That you were talking about stars not having to move in a perfect circle, because orbits weren't round or some crap like that. Didn't make sense.

Why does it not make sense?

The orbits of all the planets are elliptical. It is mathematically unlikely that an orbit would be a perfect circle. It is possible, just more likely to not be.

Quote from: Saint Raist on February 13, 2008, 12:37:55 PM

Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 12:36:43 PM

Quote from: Saint Raist on February 13, 2008, 12:35:15 PM

Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 12:29:47 PM

Quote from: Saint Raist on February 13, 2008, 11:38:05 AM

Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 10:37:46 AM

I never said the stars were in orbit around the Earth.


You pictures did not prove that the rotation is not perfectly circular. Did you do any calculations?

OMG it's round earth tom.

Why? He posted a picture as "proof" but he does not know what shape those are exactly.

It is a legitimate question. How did he calculate that the image is not perfectly circular?

If he wants to make claims, he has to back it up.

Not insulting you. Just you started to remind me of him. Not quite understanding the concept.

Which concept? That he makes wild claims without proof? Or that he makes wild claims in contradiction to logical proofs?

That you were talking about stars not having to move in a perfect circle, because orbits weren't round or some crap like that. Didn't make sense.

Why does it not make sense?

The orbits of all the planets are elliptical. It is mathematically unlikely that an orbit would be a perfect circle. It is possible, just more likely to not be.

We aren't talking about orbits. That is why your point does not make sense. We are talking about a planet rotating and the stars appearing to move in a circle because of this.

We aren't talking about orbits. That is why your point does not make sense. We are talking about a planet rotating and the stars appearing to move in a circle because of this.

I suppose it was a bit off-topic, although it is enough proof that the Earth is round

Anyway, I really wanted to know how he determined they are not perfect circles. Looking at the picture and declaring that they are not is not good enough.

We aren't talking about orbits. That is why your point does not make sense. We are talking about a planet rotating and the stars appearing to move in a circle because of this.


I suppose it was a bit off-topic, although it is enough proof that the Earth is round

Anyway, I really wanted to know how he determined they are not perfect circles. Looking at the picture and declaring that they are not is not good enough.

Yup. Plus the earth is not stationary, which means the shouldnt be perfect circles.

Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 12:51:47 PM

We aren't talking about orbits. That is why your point does not make sense. We are talking about a planet rotating and the stars appearing to move in a circle because of this.

I suppose it was a bit off-topic, although it is enough proof that the Earth is round

Anyway, I really wanted to know how he determined they are not perfect circles. Looking at the picture and declaring that they are not is not good enough.
Yup. Plus the earth is not stationary, which means the shouldnt be perfect circles.

Ur quotes are screwed up because his was when you quoted him. "</quote>" cut it short.

Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 10:02:40 AM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 13, 2008, 09:42:32 AM

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No one said they have to be perfect circles.

Actually, they do.

Who?

None of the planets move in a perfect circle around the Sun, so why does it have to be elliptical again?

Mathematically, it is very unlikely that anything would orbit in a perfect circle.

In RE theory the apparent rotation of the stars is an illusion. The stars are not in orbit around the earth's hub. The stars are static. It's the earth which is rotating on its axis. Therefore the observed rotation of the stars should form a perfect circle. A perfect circle would occur as a result of a rotating body.

Wow Tom, just wow.  You have officially sunk to a new low in your arguments.

Not only have you unjustly ignored and disregarded every piece of RE evidence and argument presented, photographic or otherwise, but now...

Now you have actually tried to change one of the very foundations of FET.  According to FET, the Earth remains still while stars rotate above.  Stars like the sun.  What about the sun and the moon Tom?  Are they still flying around overhead or are they static as the Earth rotates beneath them?

Honestly, if you're going to try and argue for a side, do everyone a favor and at least stick to one argument.

Fail. He said "in the RE theory"

Read harder. Fuck this is getting old.

Reread it, I think you misunderstood.

Ah....Oh....Well, this is embaressing.     

I apologize for my harsh words above.  Guess I need to pay closer attention.

I'm really not trying to be like eric, guess I sounded a bit like him above huh? 

Shall I just remove that post then?

Neh it's cool. We hated Eric because HE capitalized WORDS for no Reason. And never got the point of the site.

Okay then, as long as we're cool.

Quote from: Saint Raist on February 13, 2008, 11:38:05 AM

Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 10:37:46 AM

I never said the stars were in orbit around the Earth.


You pictures did not prove that the rotation is not perfectly circular. Did you do any calculations?

OMG it's round earth tom.

Why? He posted a picture as "proof" but he does not know what shape those are exactly.

It is a legitimate question. How did he calculate that the image is not perfectly circular?

If he wants to make claims, he has to back it up.

You're all ignorant. The stars rotating in the sky is not proof that the stars orbit us, nor is it proof that the earth is round. It's proof that the earth is rotating. Why shouldn't a flat cylinder be able to rotate? Where else do ocean currents come from? Or the coriolis effect? We don't fly off the edge of the world because of lateral air pressure, as though we were suspended in foam, except it's out atmosphere, held in by the earth's magnetic field.

Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 12:29:47 PM

Quote from: Saint Raist on February 13, 2008, 11:38:05 AM

Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 10:37:46 AM

I never said the stars were in orbit around the Earth.


You pictures did not prove that the rotation is not perfectly circular. Did you do any calculations?

OMG it's round earth tom.

Why? He posted a picture as "proof" but he does not know what shape those are exactly.

It is a legitimate question. How did he calculate that the image is not perfectly circular?

If he wants to make claims, he has to back it up.

You're all ignorant. The stars rotating in the sky is not proof that the stars orbit us, nor is it proof that the earth is round. It's proof that the earth is rotating. Why shouldn't a flat cylinder be able to rotate? Where else do ocean currents come from? Or the coriolis effect? We don't fly off the edge of the world because of lateral air pressure, as though we were suspended in foam, except it's out atmosphere, held in by the earth's magnetic field.

I was never claiming it was proof of one nor the other.

I AM claiming that his method for determining his proof is faulty. All he did was post a picture, nothing more.

Care to explain how the magnetic field of a Flat-Earth works? I don't think the field equations will work.

Neh it's cool. We hated Eric because HE capitalized WORDS for no Reason. And never got the point of the site.

No, we loved Eric for that. We hated him for leaving.

You're all ignorant. The stars rotating in the sky is not proof that the stars orbit us, nor is it proof that the earth is round. It's proof that the earth is rotating. Why shouldn't a flat cylinder be able to rotate? Where else do ocean currents come from? Or the coriolis effect? We don't fly off the edge of the world because of lateral air pressure, as though we were suspended in foam, except it's out atmosphere, held in by the earth's magnetic field.

The stars movement do give very strong evidence of a RE;  Astronomers follow the sweeping heavens all over the world with extreme accuracy, using tracking platforms.  -These tracking platforms are lined up with earth's axis of rotation.  It is not possible to map this spherical behaviour onto a flat surface.