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International space station: I saw it last night
« on: February 12, 2008, 01:17:16 AM »
Sorry if this has been done before, but I saw the ISS last night from London. 

-Before hand I consulted NASA's Spaceflight Sightings Page. It helpfully told me that the ISS would appear at 6:56 PM, going from WSW to the south.

-So at precisely that time a star-like dot appeared in the sky and tracked across to the south.  It quickly faded as (presumably) the sun set for the ISS and light was no-longer reflected back to me. 

I concluded that it was unlikely to be a plane because it had no flashing lights and it appeared at precisely the specified time in the right place, moving in the right direction, very quickly.  I intend to see it tonight also, when it appears at precisely 5:42 PM.

An object which gets around the whole earth that fast could only be in orbit, right?


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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2008, 06:30:49 AM »
Quote from: Moon squirter on February 12, 2008, 01:17:16 AM

An object which gets around the whole earth that fast could only be in orbit, right?


Yup  ;)
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2008, 06:32:04 AM »
It's secret technology that the general public isn't allowed to know about. Ain't that right Pinky?
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2008, 06:34:54 AM »
Well now we know what Santa does in the off-season :)
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2008, 06:35:56 AM »
Well he can't afford to pay all those elves on just one nights work a year
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2008, 07:57:14 AM »
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2008, 02:13:11 PM »
The ISS is a pseudolite. You saw a light in the sky, you did not see a light in space.
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2008, 03:38:21 PM »
What you saw was probably just a pigeon whose eyes were reflecting the light of the moon.
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2008, 05:46:40 PM »
I didn't wanna make a new thread for this.  But can anybody watch this video and still think we aren't on a rotating planet?



Or this


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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2008, 06:27:56 PM »
Quote from: Jim on February 12, 2008, 05:46:40 PM
I didn't wanna make a new thread for this.  But can anybody watch this video and still think we aren't on a rotating planet?



It looks like it's the stars which are rotating. The earth seems to be perfectly still.
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2008, 06:32:59 PM »
So the stars are all moving in the same circle?  That just happens to be centered around a point directly overherad the north/south pole?
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2008, 06:38:30 PM »
Quote from: Dogplatter on February 12, 2008, 02:13:11 PM
The ISS is a pseudolite. You saw a light in the sky, you did not see a light in space.

And yet...it has to be moving pretty fast, no? In the atmosphere, it has to deal with air resistance. What energy source is this?
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2008, 06:44:29 PM »
Quote from: Jim on February 12, 2008, 06:32:59 PM
So the stars are all moving in the same circle?  That just happens to be centered around a point directly overherad the north/south pole?

Yep. The whirling celestial systems manifest over areas where the magnetic field lines are vertical.
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2008, 07:30:33 PM »
Does it not seem like an incredible occurence that they should all move so perfectly in a circle, almost as if we are looking at a rotating picture.  Not one star following a path that does not circle that one specific point.  Wouldn't a much more reasonable, realistic suggestion be that the planet is rotating?
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2008, 08:24:33 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 12, 2008, 06:44:29 PM
Quote from: Jim on February 12, 2008, 06:32:59 PM
So the stars are all moving in the same circle?  That just happens to be centered around a point directly overherad the north/south pole?

Yep. The whirling celestial systems manifest over areas where the magnetic field lines are vertical.
um wtf?
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2008, 08:39:45 PM »
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Does it not seem like an incredible occurence that they should all move so perfectly in a circle, almost as if we are looking at a rotating picture.  Not one star following a path that does not circle that one specific point.

The rotation does not appear to be perfectly circular.

http://photo.net/bboard-uploads/00KmbR-36051784.JPG

http://starmatt.com/gallery/astro/02041811.jpg

In fact, the rotation appears to be more of an ellipse. How does the RE model explain that?

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Wouldn't a much more reasonable, realistic suggestion be that the planet is rotating?

No.
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2008, 09:29:40 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 12, 2008, 08:39:45 PM
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Does it not seem like an incredible occurence that they should all move so perfectly in a circle, almost as if we are looking at a rotating picture.  Not one star following a path that does not circle that one specific point.

The rotation does not appear to be perfectly circular.

http://photo.net/bboard-uploads/00KmbR-36051784.JPG

http://starmatt.com/gallery/astro/02041811.jpg

In fact, the rotation appears to be more of an ellipse. How does the RE model explain that?

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Wouldn't a much more reasonable, realistic suggestion be that the planet is rotating?

No.
It's called orbit. The Earth not only rotates but moves in a circle around the sun.
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2008, 09:33:32 PM »
And Tom, need I remind you and everyone else here of your hipocrisy regarding photographs?
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2008, 10:14:43 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 12, 2008, 08:39:45 PM
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Does it not seem like an incredible occurence that they should all move so perfectly in a circle, almost as if we are looking at a rotating picture.  Not one star following a path that does not circle that one specific point.

The rotation does not appear to be perfectly circular.

http://photo.net/bboard-uploads/00KmbR-36051784.JPG

http://starmatt.com/gallery/astro/02041811.jpg

In fact, the rotation appears to be more of an ellipse. How does the RE model explain that?

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Wouldn't a much more reasonable, realistic suggestion be that the planet is rotating?

No.

How do we know those photos haven't been stretched vertically or horizontally?  It certainly appears that way to me.
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2008, 10:40:39 PM »
The wall looks more in proportion like this.

Also: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/apod/apod_search?star+trails
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2008, 01:03:49 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 12, 2008, 08:39:45 PM
http://starmatt.com/gallery/astro/02041811.jpg

In fact, the rotation appears to be more of an ellipse. How does the RE model explain that?


Tom,

This image was actually taken with a fish-eye lens, as stated in the photographer's description.

This type of lens produces a non-linear hemispherical image, compressing objects near the edge of the image.  This is why the star-trails are not circular.

Nice try!
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2008, 05:11:01 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 12, 2008, 08:39:45 PM
http://starmatt.com/gallery/astro/02041811.jpg

In fact, the rotation appears to be more of an ellipse. How does the RE model explain that?


Quote from: Jim on February 12, 2008, 07:30:33 PM
Does it not seem like an incredible occurence that they should all move so perfectly in a circle an ellipse, almost as if we are looking at a rotating picture.  Not one star following a path that does not circle fly around that one specific point.  Wouldn't a much more reasonable, realistic suggestion be that the planet is rotating?


Also, picture one, stretched, picture two, fish eye lens.

This seems pretty circular to me
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2008, 09:33:42 AM »
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This seems pretty circular to me

http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/bloggraphics/img_4806-4933_640mred.jpg

If the stars in that image rotated in a perfect circle there would not be irregularities in the rings where bands collect or separate on either side of the system's center.
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2008, 09:39:20 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 13, 2008, 09:33:42 AM
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This seems pretty circular to me

http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/bloggraphics/img_4806-4933_640mred.jpg

If the stars in that image rotated in a perfect circle there would not be irregularities in the rings where bands collect or separate on either side of the system's center.


All the planets move around the Sun in elliptical orbits. It is Kepler's First Law.

No one said they have to be perfect circles.

You have proved nothing.
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2008, 09:42:32 AM »
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All the planets move around the Sun in elliptical orbits. It is Kepler's First Law.

In the RE theory the stars cannot rotate above the earth in an elliptical manner, as the earth is rotating. The stars are not really rotatating around the earth in the RE theory. According to the globe theory the rotation of the stars is an illusion.

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No one said they have to be perfect circles.

Actually, they do.
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2008, 09:43:59 AM »


Quote from: Jim on February 12, 2008, 07:30:33 PM
Does it not seem like an incredible occurence that they should all move so perfectly in a circle an ellipse, almost as if we are looking at a rotating picture.  Not one star following a path that does not circle fly around that one specific point.  Wouldn't a much more reasonable, realistic suggestion be that the planet is rotating?
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2008, 10:02:00 AM »
Quote from: Jim on February 12, 2008, 07:30:33 PM
Does it not seem like an incredible occurence that they should all move so perfectly in a circle an ellipse, almost as if we are looking at a rotating picture.  Not one star following a path that does not circle fly around that one specific point.  Wouldn't a much more reasonable, realistic suggestion be that the planet is rotating?

No.
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2008, 10:02:28 AM »
Ah
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2008, 10:02:40 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 13, 2008, 09:42:32 AM

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No one said they have to be perfect circles.

Actually, they do.

Who?

None of the planets move in a perfect circle around the Sun, so why does it have to be elliptical again?

Mathematically, it is very unlikely that anything would orbit in a perfect circle.
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Re: International space station: I saw it last night
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2008, 10:10:00 AM »
Quote from: shadowstrife on February 13, 2008, 10:02:40 AM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 13, 2008, 09:42:32 AM

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No one said they have to be perfect circles.

Actually, they do.

Who?

None of the planets move in a perfect circle around the Sun, so why does it have to be elliptical again?

Mathematically, it is very unlikely that anything would orbit in a perfect circle.


In RE theory the apparent rotation of the stars is an illusion. The stars are not in orbit around the earth's hub. The stars are static. It's the earth which is rotating on its axis. Therefore the observed rotation of the stars should form a perfect circle. A perfect circle would occur as a result of a rotating body.
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