South Celestial Pole

How could you observe both a north and a south celestial pole from a flat surface?

According to this websites wack theory that the earth is flat it states the south pole does not exist

According to this websites wack theory that the earth is flat it states the south pole does not exist

Incorrect, the south pole is infact the outermost known edge, with the north pole residing in the center.

Quote from: einstien on February 05, 2008, 07:47:53 PM

According to this websites wack theory that the earth is flat it states the south pole does not exist

Incorrect, the south pole is infact the outermost known edge, with the north pole residing in the center.

Oh ya I forgot it's the giant ice wall ooooh!

Right, but im not talking about a geographic south pole on the earth.  Im talking about celestial poles, or the points above the earths axis of rotation.  If you watch the north star at night, you will notice that the other stars appear to move around it.  Here's a pic http://www.astronomy.org/programs/seasons/pictures/08shi-ncp-1988-sm.jpg. 

There is also an observable south celestial pole, although no star lies on it.  It is near the constellation Crux, which can be seen from the southern hemisphere.  Here's a pic of that one http://www.assa.org.au/gallery/miller/scptrail.jpg

How could you observe both of these points from a flat surface?

How could you observe both of these points from a flat surface?

There are multiple swirling stellar systems which sit over the Flat Earth. The Flat Earth Society has found that there is one over the North Pole, one over Australia, and another over South America. Each stellar system is unique in its composition and density.

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How could you observe both of these points from a flat surface?

There are multiple swirling stellar systems which sit over the Flat Earth. The Flat Earth Society has found that there is one over the North Pole, One over Australia, and another over South America. Each stellar system is unique in its composition and density.

So ur Tom Bishop the famous guy who can make things go faster than the speed of light show me how

Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 05, 2008, 08:19:05 PM

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How could you observe both of these points from a flat surface?

There are multiple swirling stellar systems which sit over the Flat Earth. The Flat Earth Society has found that there is one over the North Pole, One over Australia, and another over South America. Each stellar system is unique in its composition and density.

So ur Tom Bishop the famous guy who can make things go faster than the speed of light show me how

What?

Quote from: einstien on February 05, 2008, 08:31:02 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 05, 2008, 08:19:05 PM

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How could you observe both of these points from a flat surface?

There are multiple swirling stellar systems which sit over the Flat Earth. The Flat Earth Society has found that there is one over the North Pole, One over Australia, and another over South America. Each stellar system is unique in its composition and density.

So ur Tom Bishop the famous guy who can make things go faster than the speed of light show me how

What?

NVM I think ppl have been making fun of u on thee web recently they said something about going faster than light with the sinking ship experiment

According to this websites wack theory that the earth is flat it states the south pole does not exist

Really?  Where does it state that?

Quote from: einstien on February 05, 2008, 07:47:53 PM

According to this websites wack theory that the earth is flat it states the south pole does not exist

Really?  Where does it state that?

Um I'm not quite sure but give me a few secs and I'll find it

Ya srry I can't find it maybe I was just imagining things

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How could you observe both of these points from a flat surface?

There are multiple swirling stellar systems which sit over the Flat Earth. The Flat Earth Society has found that there is one over the North Pole, one over Australia, and another over South America. Each stellar system is unique in its composition and density.

Oh Tom, no gravitational Gears? Oh, and why is there only one south celestial pole, instead of multiple which would fit with this description.

Oh Tom, no gravitational Gears? Oh, and why is there only one south celestial pole, instead of multiple which would fit with this description.

People think that there is only one South Celestial Pole because the majority of our Star Charts for the Southern Hemisphere originate from Australia.

false - most of the data comes from antarctic research stations. Do they exist?

false - most of the data comes from antarctic research stations. Do they exist?

"Antartic research stations" is basically a synonym for "Conspiracy's military bases".

My best friend from University is studying for his phd in Antarctica. He even has an online blog that I'll link you to if you wish. Is he a member of the conspiracy? He stays in a research station.

My best friend from University is studying for his phd in Antarctica. He even has an online blog that I'll link you to if you wish. Is he a member of the conspiracy? He stays in a research station.

Yes. I know him, I broke his will.

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Oh Tom, no gravitational Gears? Oh, and why is there only one south celestial pole, instead of multiple which would fit with this description.

People think that there is only one South Celestial Pole because the majority of our Star Charts for the Southern Hemisphere originate from Australia.

Rubbish. Even if they were, since the whole universe revolves around the Earth, even Australian observers would note a very strange movement which would not suggest one celestial pole.

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Oh Tom, no gravitational Gears? Oh, and why is there only one south celestial pole, instead of multiple which would fit with this description.

People think that there is only one South Celestial Pole because the majority of our Star Charts for the Southern Hemisphere originate from Australia.

There are plenty of astronomers working in the southern hemisphere from Chile to Australia.  I think they would notice if there were multiple celestial poles and their star maps were wrong.

There are plenty of astronomers working in the southern hemisphere from Chile to Australia.  I think they would notice if there were multiple celestial poles and their star maps were wrong.

The Flat Earth Society has found that when you compare starmaps from Chile and starmaps from Australia, the constellations are different.

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There are plenty of astronomers working in the southern hemisphere from Chile to Australia.  I think they would notice if there were multiple celestial poles and their star maps were wrong.

The Flat Earth Society has found that when you compare starmaps from Chile and starmaps from Australia, the constellations are different.

Sources please.

And I simply find it hard to believe that of all RE astronomers working in the southern hemisphere using RE charts, none of them would have noticed any discrepancies.

He will either tell you that he doesn't have to justify himself to you, or tell you to go read "earth not a globe".

He certainly will not ever post a source for that because he doesn't have one...because no such charts exist.

I don't see how his argument about swirling star clusters makes sense anyway.  Consider the star Sirius, the brightest star in the sky, (there are many stars that would make my point but i'll just pick one).  Sirius is visible from the northern hemisphere during the winter and can be observed moving around the north star.  Sirius is also visible from the southern hemisphere during the fall and can be observed moving around the south celestial pole. 

Tom claims not only two, but three swirling star formations; which begs the question:  How could the same star (sirius in my example) be observed at roughly the same time to be moving in two (or apparently three) different swirling star formations?

Sources please.

Theoretical Astronomy Examined and Exposed by Augustus De Morgan

And I simply find it hard to believe that of all RE astronomers working in the southern hemisphere using RE charts, none of them would have noticed any discrepancies.

How would you know whether they've noticed any differences? Do you know any astronomers in the South American jungles you could call up and ask?

I don't see how his argument about swirling star clusters makes sense anyway.  Consider the star Sirius, the brightest star in the sky, (there are many stars that would make my point but i'll just pick one).  Sirius is visible from the northern hemisphere during the winter and can be observed moving around the north star.  Sirius is also visible from the southern hemisphere during the fall and can be observed moving around the south celestial pole.

That doesn't make sense. How can a star move around and North Celestial Pole and the South Celestial Pole at the same time?

How could the same star (sirius in my example) be observed at roughly the same time to be moving in two (or apparently three) different swirling star formations?

It doesn't.

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And I simply find it hard to believe that of all RE astronomers working in the southern hemisphere using RE charts, none of them would have noticed any discrepancies.

How would you know whether they've noticed any differences? Do you know any astronomers in the South American jungles you could call up and ask?

Do you?

Sirius could be seen to go around both celestial poles in RE. As long as it can be seen in both the north and the south. In the southern hemisphere, every star appears to go around the south celestial pole.

Just quote a book. There is no evidence on that link. Just a book, a book that could be sheer gibberish.

He cited a source.  Its not his responsibility to procure it for everyone.

How would you know whether they've noticed any differences? Do you know any astronomers in the South American jungles you could call up and ask?

Do you think the entire southern hemisphere is some sort of unpeopled wasteland?  There are advanced observatories all over the southern hemisphere.  I know many of my astrophysics professors who have worked in the southern hemisphere, one especially in Chile.  If there were massive deviations from RE predictions as you claim, they would be the ones to know about it.  It is their job to know the movements of the heavens to extremely high precision.  Do you claim that they are ignorant of these deviations or hiding them?

It is their job to know the movements of the heavens to extremely high precision.  Do you claim that they are ignorant of these deviations or hiding them?

No. They're not ignorant of the observations.They are are not hiding them either. Astronomers on the three continents of the Southern Hemisphere simply see completely different stars unique to their location.

What fist hand accounts do you have for us demonstrating that astronomers form South America and Australia see the same stars?

He cited a source.  Its not his responsibility to procure it for everyone.

Well, it is his responsibility to quote it. For example:

Unicorns exist. You want a source?

http://www.amazon.com/Principia-Shoulders-Giants-Isaac-Newton/dp/0762420227/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202527160&sr=8-2

Get where I'm going?

I agree it would be a courtesy.

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It is their job to know the movements of the heavens to extremely high precision.  Do you claim that they are ignorant of these deviations or hiding them?

No. They're not ignorant of the observations.They are are not hiding them either. Astronomers on the three continents of the Southern Hemisphere simply see completely different stars unique to their location.

What fist hand accounts do you have for us demonstrating that astronomers form South America and Australia see the same stars?

So astronomers in the southern hemisphere are all hermits and don't talk to each other. Else they would have realised their star maps don't match.