Is Machiavelli right?

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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #90 on: February 11, 2008, 05:06:51 AM »
A win is a win. :-*

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My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #91 on: February 11, 2008, 05:14:55 AM »
Except when it's no longer a win, by way of an effective counter.
if i remember, austria is an old, dis-used name for what is now Germany.
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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #92 on: February 11, 2008, 05:24:37 AM »
Unfortunately, emulation, again, was put into play. Not enough mana.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #93 on: February 11, 2008, 05:28:21 AM »
I call tie on account of purple avatars.
if i remember, austria is an old, dis-used name for what is now Germany.
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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #94 on: February 11, 2008, 06:06:49 AM »
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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #95 on: February 11, 2008, 06:37:47 AM »
Untap all creatures with flying, they gain phasing. You lose two life.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #96 on: February 11, 2008, 06:59:40 AM »
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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #97 on: February 14, 2008, 10:01:00 AM »
All emotions have a reasonable basis; that of having an emotional feel-good response on certain actions, which tend to help humanity's collective survival. If you do not have these emotional responses(like you claim to do, which I doubt, as I also doubt that you have ever lost a loved one), then you are probably not advancing the survival of humanity, and therefore you must be removed from society. Hence, the looney-bin.
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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #98 on: February 14, 2008, 10:35:23 AM »
I think you maintain your dispassionate persona as a way of coping with past traumatic events, you state you are emotionless but also call the world "cold" which is rather emotional.

Being as calm and rational, as one can, is usually a self improving choice rather than a psychological 'coping' mechanism.
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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #99 on: February 14, 2008, 12:28:22 PM »
All emotions have a reasonable basis; that of having an emotional feel-good response on certain actions, which tend to help humanity's collective survival. If you do not have these emotional responses(like you claim to do, which I doubt, as I also doubt that you have ever lost a loved one), then you are probably not advancing the survival of humanity, and therefore you must be removed from society. Hence, the looney-bin.

So send me there.

Being as calm and rational, as one can, is usually a self improving choice rather than a psychological 'coping' mechanism.

Exactly.
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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #100 on: February 14, 2008, 04:27:01 PM »
I think you maintain your dispassionate persona as a way of coping with past traumatic events, you state you are emotionless but also call the world "cold" which is rather emotional.

Being as calm and rational, as one can, is usually a self improving choice rather than a psychological 'coping' mechanism.
Under a lot of circumstances, not feeling an emotion is not rational. Such as when a family member dies.

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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #101 on: February 14, 2008, 04:39:47 PM »
Under a lot of circumstances, not feeling an emotion is not rational. Such as when a family member dies.

Er, what?
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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #102 on: February 14, 2008, 04:44:49 PM »
Under a lot of circumstances, not feeling an emotion is not rational. Such as when a family member dies.
Normal != rational.
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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #103 on: February 14, 2008, 06:04:17 PM »
All emotions have a reasonable basis; that of having an emotional feel-good response on certain actions, which tend to help humanity's collective survival. If you do not have these emotional responses(like you claim to do, which I doubt, as I also doubt that you have ever lost a loved one), then you are probably not advancing the survival of humanity, and therefore you must be removed from society. Hence, the looney-bin.

So send me there.

Being as calm and rational, as one can, is usually a self improving choice rather than a psychological 'coping' mechanism.

Exactly.

Being as calm and rational as you can isn't what I'm talking about. In fact, I encourage that. I'm talking about being devoid of standard human responses. If I were to shoot someone next to you, you're telling me you would not feel fear? If so, you are in the looney-bin. If you claim you do, and aren't, you're just a posturing BS'er. You would feel fear.
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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #104 on: February 14, 2008, 06:18:33 PM »
I would be startled, sure. Perhaps if you suggested I was next and were pointed at me, I might react. However, you're then mixing survival instincts with other emotions.

Also, standard != right.
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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #105 on: February 14, 2008, 06:21:35 PM »
Right is not the issue here. Neither is standard. The question is what is going to happen.

So you agree you would feel fear, especially if I said you were next. Yes I am mixing survival instincts with other emotions. Why? Because there is little distinction, apart from the strength of the emotions. Survival emotions tend to be stronger, but they are about the same, and less confusing to deal with. So you would feel an emotion, and therefore the point is made. So when a loved one died, feeling calm and rational is probably a rejection, shock, not wanting to deal with it, or just a form of grief, etc...which are all emotions. Therefore you are not in the looney-bin, and are not psychopathic, and are not a serial killer ;D
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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #106 on: February 14, 2008, 11:52:45 PM »
I think you maintain your dispassionate persona as a way of coping with past traumatic events, you state you are emotionless but also call the world "cold" which is rather emotional.
Being as calm and rational, as one can, is usually a self improving choice rather than a psychological 'coping' mechanism.
Dispassionate persona, which goes along with his moral relativism as part of a claim to intellectual superiority.

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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #107 on: February 15, 2008, 05:03:39 AM »
Right is not the issue here. Neither is standard.

You mentioned standard human emotion. That implies that it is correct over apathy and non-feeling.

So you agree you would feel fear, especially if I said you were next

I'd be inclined to give myself a chance of survival. If you want to call that fear, sure?

So when a loved one died, feeling calm and rational is probably a rejection, shock, not wanting to deal with it, or just a form of grief, etc...which are all emotions. Therefore you are not in the looney-bin, and are not psychopathic, and are not a serial killer ;D

1. Psychopathics are not all serial killers.
2. It's not a rejection or anything of the sort. Apathy and being able to understand and face the facts is hardly emotional.

For instance, my cousin's baby just died. I felt nothing, and was more glad she got what she deserved than anything. If that's my "not wanting to deal with it," then that's news to me.
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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #108 on: February 15, 2008, 05:38:40 AM »
1. Psychotics are not all serial killers.

And psychopaths aren't psychotic.

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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #109 on: February 15, 2008, 05:43:38 AM »
Whoops. :D Been watching too much House lately.
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Re: Is Machiavelli right?
« Reply #110 on: February 15, 2008, 10:33:17 AM »
Right is not the issue here. Neither is standard.

You mentioned standard human emotion. That implies that it is correct over apathy and non-feeling.

Yes, it does, but I didn't mean it that way. I'm just saying that nearly all people possess it, and to not possess it is probably bad for your survival.
So you agree you would feel fear, especially if I said you were next

I'd be inclined to give myself a chance of survival. If you want to call that fear, sure?

Precisely. That is the point of fear.
So when a loved one died, feeling calm and rational is probably a rejection, shock, not wanting to deal with it, or just a form of grief, etc...which are all emotions. Therefore you are not in the looney-bin, and are not psychopathic, and are not a serial killer ;D

1. Psychopathics are not all serial killers.
2. It's not a rejection or anything of the sort. Apathy and being able to understand and face the facts is hardly emotional.

I know, but I was just having fun with the last statement. About apathy, meh...I can see it, but I'm sure you'd feel something eventually.

For instance, my cousin's baby just died. I felt nothing, and was more glad she got what she deserved than anything. If that's my "not wanting to deal with it," then that's news to me.

My grandmother died. I hated her guts. I was pleased. That's an emotion. You were glad. That's an emotion. You didn't like them...see where I'm going. There's a difference between feeling a different emotion than normal, and not feeling anything...
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