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Ron Paul
« on: February 01, 2008, 03:31:08 PM »
www.ronpaul2008.com

Any supporters here? I've joined my area meetup and am a precinct leader, trying to spread the word and get him elected, one vote at a time.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2008, 04:08:54 PM »
Dude... he's a friggin Communist scum-bag. Don't vote for this guy. I realize our alternatives aren't all that great, but for the love of your fellow human being... don't vote for that commie bastard whatever you do. Holy crap I hope you're not serious.
The dude is so far left of right... he's like I dunno already West of Utah.

Just look at his quirky grin, you can see he's got something up his sleeve...




























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Well... if he had sleeves. ;D

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2008, 04:25:01 PM »
lol, k.

And actually, he's by far the most conservative Republican running, certainly not a commie. Thanks for the advice ;)
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2008, 04:32:58 PM »
A communist?  Come now.

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2008, 04:56:53 PM »
I prefer the label of "Batshit Insane".
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2008, 04:58:32 PM »
I will give my vote to whoever finds the continued fraction form of the solution to the equation xx = 2.

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2008, 08:19:41 PM »
I will give my vote to whoever finds the continued fraction form of the solution to the equation xx = 2.

hmmm, I just solved that one last night. Can I run the country?
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Bushido

Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2008, 08:20:11 PM »
I will give my vote to whoever finds the continued fraction form of the solution to the equation xx = 2.

hmmm, I just solved that one last night. Can I run the country?

Numbers or it didn't happen.  :P

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2008, 10:35:49 PM »
He has no chance of winning.

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2008, 04:49:33 AM »
i have no chance of winning, but i still write myself in.

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2008, 05:08:32 AM »
If I was from the US (dear god), I'd vote for Ron Paul. Probably the only realistic and honest person I've seen through the countless hours of interviews and campaign coverage.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2008, 06:28:01 AM »
If I was from the US (dear god), I'd vote for Ron Paul. Probably the only realistic and honest person I've seen through the countless hours of interviews and campaign coverage.

That is an oxymoron. No politician is capable of unbridled honesty. I understand your point though.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2008, 01:43:46 PM »
If I was from the US (dear god), I'd vote for Ron Paul. Probably the only realistic and honest person I've seen through the countless hours of interviews and campaign coverage.

I know you're a smart guy, so I'm going to figure that you don't really "get it." Ron Paul, while stating his issues clearly and apparently a well-accepted...erm..."libertarian"...is really just some dumb motherfucker who read the description for "libertarian" on Wikipedia, and finds this acceptable experience to run for presidency (granted, the incumbent currently runs the country by googling "PotUS" every once in a while, but I wouldn't say that's a good thing). I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm a libertarian...basically...but he's just dumb.


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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2008, 04:40:18 PM »
If I was from the US (dear god), I'd vote for Ron Paul. Probably the only realistic and honest person I've seen through the countless hours of interviews and campaign coverage.

I know you're a smart guy, so I'm going to figure that you don't really "get it." Ron Paul, while stating his issues clearly and apparently a well-accepted...erm..."libertarian"...is really just some dumb motherfucker who read the description for "libertarian" on Wikipedia, and finds this acceptable experience to run for presidency (granted, the incumbent currently runs the country by googling "PotUS" every once in a while, but I wouldn't say that's a good thing). I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm a libertarian...basically...but he's just dumb.


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lol, I don't even get that. He's been involved with Congress since before Reagan was president. The man's a doctor (which admittedly isn't really a qualification for president, but you can't really be total moron and a doctor, too) and he's spent quite a bit of his free time studying economics and free market capitalism. On top of that, he seems to be one of very few candidates who's read the whole Constitution and furthermore would stand by his Oath of office to uphold that document.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2008, 09:00:16 PM »
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If I was from the US (dear god), I'd vote for Ron Paul. Probably the only realistic and honest person I've seen through the countless hours of interviews and campaign coverage.

I know you're a smart guy, so I'm going to figure that you don't really "get it." Ron Paul, while stating his issues clearly and apparently a well-accepted...erm..."libertarian"...is really just some dumb motherfucker who read the description for "libertarian" on Wikipedia, and finds this acceptable experience to run for presidency (granted, the incumbent currently runs the country by googling "PotUS" every once in a while, but I wouldn't say that's a good thing). I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm a libertarian...basically...but he's just dumb.

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lol, I don't even get that. He's been involved with Congress since before Reagan was president. The man's a doctor (which admittedly isn't really a qualification for president, but you can't really be total moron and a doctor, too) and he's spent quite a bit of his free time studying economics and free market capitalism. On top of that, he seems to be one of very few candidates who's read the whole Constitution and furthermore would stand by his Oath of office to uphold that document.

Optimus, no offense but you're a moron at politics.

Diego Draw, what happened? 
Within the past year you posted that you were supporting Ron Paul.

My opinion:  Ron Paul is easily the BEST candidate in the race now that Dennis Kucinich has dropped out from the democratic race to concentrate on his Congressional reelection in Ohio.  Compared with the other candidates, these two candidates are perhaps in many ways comparable.  I have known about Ron Paul for years, and if I am not mistaken he first ran for president back in 1988. 

From what I know of Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul, I would vote for Kucinich over Ron Paul because:

1) Ron Paul is a gold standard conservative which economic philosophy can be traced back to economists like Murray Rothbard, Henry Hazlitt, and Ludwig von Mises of the Austrian School of economics.   This is not altogether bad as I support Ron Paul's inclination to abolish the Federal Reserve system, but a return to the gold standard would likely bring financial crisis to most people.  Neither Dennis Kucinich nor any of the other candidates of which I am aware have advocated a return to the gold standard.  If this is Ron Paul's biggest fault, then he's still by far the best candidate all other things considered.

2)  Dennis Kucinich wanted to scrap the Pentagon and establish a greatly downsized "Department of Peace."  Give that man a cigar!!

  I have never looked into Edwards, but I reckon he is likely the best mainstream candidate - although it is evident he is being marginalized as well.

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2008, 09:03:19 PM »
2)  Dennis Kucinich wanted to scrap the Pentagon and establish a greatly downsized "Department of Peace." 
He's a comedian?


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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2008, 09:56:30 PM »
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2)  Dennis Kucinich wanted to scrap the Pentagon and establish a greatly downsized "Department of Peace."

He's a comedian?

I believe he is serious.  He is US Congressman (D-OH) who has run for president of the US before as well.  However, when he dropped out of the race about a week ago, I heard National Public Radio declare him their "official hopeless candidate" for 2008. 

It is uinfortunate to see Ron Paul attacked by brain dead conservatives like Optimus Prime as well as a couple of more well informed liberals such as 'Mother Jones' magazine, but Kucinich definitely draws a few more laughs than Ron Paul does. 

Let's face it - the reason is because Kucinich's objectives are a bit more further removed than Ron Paul's from those at the top of the military-industrial-media complex.

Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) Homepage
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2008, 10:16:40 PM »
Optimus, no offense but you're a moron at politics.

17 - if you can't figure out that my entire post was a joke... who's the moron? Lighten up man.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2008, 10:20:17 PM »
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17 - if you can't figure out that my entire post was a joke... who's the moron? Lighten up man.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2008, 01:30:35 AM »
Dude... he's a friggin Communist scum-bag. Don't vote for this guy. I realize our alternatives aren't all that great, but for the love of your fellow human being... don't vote for that commie bastard whatever you do.
Lol, that classic fearmongering of "OMG COMMIES!" is set well into your programming.






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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2008, 12:07:58 PM »
Dude... he's a friggin Communist scum-bag. Don't vote for this guy. I realize our alternatives aren't all that great, but for the love of your fellow human being... don't vote for that commie bastard whatever you do.
Lol, that classic fearmongering of "OMG COMMIES!" is set well into your programming.






P.S. Yes, yes they are under your bed and in your closet.

Well, if there's one thing a U.S. education is good for...

And little do you know, commies still infiltrate every facet of society, just waiting for the Soviets or Chinese to display global power. I let them stay in my closet so when the shit hits the fan I can kill one right away and prove my patriotism, thereby staying out of internment camps.


A lot of Ron Paul's policies are interdependent and many need to be implemented in degrees over the course of his term. Abolishing the IRS without simultaneously cutting spending obviously isn't the best idea, and just as the change to fiat money was actually quite gradual over the past century, a change back to more solid currency must also be gradual.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2008, 02:05:34 PM »
I know you're a smart guy, so I'm going to figure that you don't really "get it." Ron Paul, while stating his issues clearly and apparently a well-accepted...erm..."libertarian"...is really just some dumb motherfucker who read the description for "libertarian" on Wikipedia, and finds this acceptable experience to run for presidency (granted, the incumbent currently runs the country by googling "PotUS" every once in a while, but I wouldn't say that's a good thing). I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm a libertarian...basically...but he's just dumb.

My opinion has nothing to do with his label, and more to do with his platform and his answers. I can't imagine you've seen a lot of his interviews and speeches if you hold the opinion that you do.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2008, 07:07:15 PM »
I do not believe that Ron Paul actually exists, in the political sense. He is a construct of the "false hope" minions of the Machine. He will not win the election (by design) and he will end up like Perot did, who is also nuts and filled with self importance.

If, in the HIGHLy OFF CHANCE this man is elected President, he will either be scandaled out of seat, or assassinated by some "retard with a sniper rifle", and then the real power brokers will step in.

A man as blatantly ANTI-CURRENT-ADMINISTRATION is never this real, this open. Something stinks. The meat is turgid.

The mids has spoken. Time will tell. :-*

There’s a lot of hysteria jumping off of the internet right now; what portion of the internet is still operating. Let’s face it, previous severance of communications links have proven to be a prelude to war. There are all manner of theories chasing this event. Some of them are dark and dreadful if true.

I’ve been given some credible alternatives to the cutting of major communication cables in recent days. One of them is because gold is soaring. Markets in India, Hong Kong and Tokyo were all geared for major trading which would have precipitated a huge flight from the dollar.

Another story I’ve been given is that it’s connected to the opening of the Iranian oil bourse with much the same intention of forestalling economic free fall.

A disturbing question comes into my mind. Wouldn’t these same factors be present once the cables were restored? I’m not an economist so you will have to pardon my ignorance in such matters. It could be that enough time exists in the period before connectivity is back to make changes that can offset what is happening. Still… to me it seems like the situation is still there, just delayed.

The Super Bowl comes on in a few hours. This is a major focus of world attention. This particular Super Bowl has features to it seen only once before and this time it’s even bigger.

We know that 9/11 was an inside job. What this tells us is that there is no limit to what these people would do. There is no moral limiter in their world view. They’d as soon blow up a stadium full of people as they would pour themselves a drink. It’s not a matter of if. It’s only a matter of when.

Let me set the stage for you. For some years now there has been a noticeable transformation in the behavior of the domestic police forces. There have been radical alterations to the constitution and to presidential powers. Thugs control airport security against a threat they have no power to catch or halt. There has been an insidious change in the way domestic policing agencies are operating in present time. People are routinely violated, tazered and abused in various ways. The right of assembly is all but gone and the election process is rigged and manipulated.

Even though they know what is going on there is no real opposition of any kind in either house of congress. Fema camps have been built in various locations in America. We’ve been given various reasons for this, none of them credible.

The Bush administration used a self-created domestic tragedy to justify invasion of two different countries and is revving their engines outside the borders of another.

It was Israeli neo-cons in the administration that engineered the assaults and now lobbies the loudest for the one pending. Israel has the world record for most false flag operations.

They launched a murderous attack on Lebanon and issue new threats against Iran daily.

British soldiers were apprehended with a car packed with explosives while dressed as Arabs. It is well known that Israeli trainers and special ops teams are all over Iraq. Israeli soldiers were photographed inside Abu Ghraib during the period before the scandal broke.

These three countries are the major players in most of the heavy violence taking place now and in recent times. No country that any of them have attacked has attacked them. They have all been caught lying over and over again.

There has never been an American president more out of favor with his ‘subjects’ than is George W. Bush. There is no way he is going to gain any greater favor than he has now. Because of the internet and their own lying eyes, a great number of Americans and people across the globe know what a lying psychopath George W. Bush is as well as the men behind the curtain who use him.

To orchestrate a terror attack and blame it on someone else all that you need is to be in charge. When you are in charge you can send men with identification anywhere. These men can be investigating a terror threat at the same time that they set the charges. If you control the media then you can report what happens any way you want to.

This coming terror attack serves a great many useful purposes. It makes George W. Bush and his repressive acts heroic and perspicacious. It justifies everything that has been done so far. It allows for a heavily increased clampdown on dissidents who become enemy combatants. It justifies the most extreme measures against the countries blamed and in the cross-hairs. It takes the attention off of the domestic crisis. It takes all attention away from the genocide in Gaza and justifies any action Israel wishes to take there.

How do you stop official personnel from going anywhere they want to go and doing anything they want to do when they have the papers and the guns and the ID?

This is an election year and meanwhile the Taliban cannot be stopped. Iraq is out of control. Hamas and Hizbollah are still present and these freedom fighters are not going away. Every day more information appears that convicts the major players in the previous seven years of fascist enterprise.

Since the creation of The Project for the New American Century everything has followed according to plan. Enormous planning and effort has gone into all of it. Millions of lives have been lost and displaced. Horrible tactics have been employed. Mountains of proven lies have been dispensed. The juggernaut moves relentlessly forward without any official opposition. Do you think they just walk away from all of this? They murdered over 3,000 of their own citizens. These are serious people. These are very serious people.

I am not in any way suggesting that something is going to happen at the Super Bowl. It’s been brought up so I’m including it. I’m not suggesting that something’s going to happen today or tomorrow. Something is going to happen though. You have only to look at what has happened and what the voice of legion keeps hammering into the people’s minds.

When pressure builds it must find an outlet. Many technologies harness this feature when they apply force against containment for the movement of machinery. In human circumstance pressure must find a way out too. When pressure is intentionally generated by individuals of selfish intent it usually expresses itself upon the population.

We are dealing with a collection of dark and devious souls who have joined together in an enterprise of great misfortune to us all. Sooner or later they’re going to take that next step.

I am an optimist. I believe that the collective power in the hearts of humanity is always greater than its oppressors and I believe that evil always shoots itself in the foot eventually. It could be they get caught in the act. It could be the wind shifts for reasons we might never understand. Somehow I am certain that we prevail. I would rather that I could write about other things and I do but whatever appears on any day is always drawn from the conditions of the day and needs be said.


Our vigilance and our voices are a powerful weapon and they must be used to their fullest capacity. An informed population is a powerful thing. With every passing day more people discover what has been going on. This in itself is dangerous but critical mass will be reached. I only wish it did not have to come at such a cost.

Ron Paul is a politician. He is not your friend, or your messiah. Jesus is gone.
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My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.