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Evidence List
« on: January 28, 2008, 11:19:48 AM »
This is a list of evidence on both sides, regardless of whether they have been refuted or not

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Bedford Experiments
Selenehelions
Lady Anne Blount Photos
Inconsistencies of the moon landing

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Time dilation at high altitudes 
Spectroscopy
Photos of Earth/other celestial bodies
Round shadow during lunar eclipse
Sinking ship/rising mountain effect
Antarctic circumnavigation
Cosmological backround radiation pointing towards a big bang
Wallace's Bedford Experiment
Delay between observation of solar flares and effects of said flares
Foucault Pendulum
Coriolis effect






Thoughts and suggestions welcomed
« Last Edit: January 28, 2008, 11:21:48 AM by Germanicus »

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Re: Evidence List
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2008, 01:13:02 PM »
I suggest you don't bother
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Re: Evidence List
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2008, 05:26:23 AM »
Just take the FE list off and bingo.
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Re: Evidence List
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2008, 07:38:45 AM »
If you have not already seen this, it would likely interest you.
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=17816.msg311272#msg311272
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Re: Evidence List
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2008, 03:01:42 PM »
To try and "list evidence" is a little skewed, especially since the post is made by a committed globularist.

The disparity is happening already.

*Time dilation at high altitudes has, to my knoweldge, not yet been independantly demonstrated to a degree which satisfies even the most casually observant independant scientific minds.

*"Photos" of the Earth from space by no means constitute legitimate evidence for a globuarist interpretation any more than a freeze-frame from a Harry Potter movie constitutes legitimate evidence for the existence of magic.

*Regarding a circular shadow during a lunar eclipse, the author clearly isn't aware of several discourses on the topic of eclipses happening on this very website (mostly already addressed in prior publications over a century ago. You guys really need to read up on the subject a little).

*Anyone who views Plato's retarded "sinking ship phenomenon" as evidence clearly lacks a basic understanding of the laws of perspective, and the only legitimate sources for Antarctic circumnavigation are by most standards of reason considered Conspiracy sycophants.

*Christ, reading this list I just get angrier and angrier - if you'd actually lurk a bit more and read the odd zetetic article now and again, you'd see why a zetetic might well agree that background radiation points towards a big bang, and that it doesn't suggest a globular Earth whatsoever.

*The psychopathic Alfred Russel Wallace had a vested interest in lying about the result of his mockery-of-a-repeat-of-a-legitimate-scientific experiment, financial, no less. If you're really interested, go and perform the Beford Level Experiment yourself. Guess what result you'll get.

*Focault's pendulum, and various other globular pendulum experiments have already been repeatedly disputed. Search function.

*Disproven already. Search function.
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Re: Evidence List
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2008, 03:04:42 PM »
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regardless of whether they have been refuted or not

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Re: Evidence List
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2008, 03:06:17 PM »
...and the only legitimate sources for Antarctic circumnavigation are by most standards of reason considered Conspiracy sycophants.

Most FE standards of reason, maybe. Not to the standards of reason of anyone that disputes the existance of the conspiracy (which is most people).

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Re: Evidence List
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2008, 03:15:08 PM »
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Focault's pendulum, and various other globular pendulum experiments have already been repeatedly disputed. Search function.




The only explanation I've seen was Tom's gravitational pull of stars explanation, but you don't believe in gravitation
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The psychopathic Alfred Russel Wallace had a vested interest in lying about the result of his mockery-of-a-repeat-of-a-legitimate-scientific experiment, financial, no less.

So did Hampden. All you have as proof of trickery is your opinions. You side with an abusive fanatic

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Re: Evidence List
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2008, 03:19:39 PM »
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regardless of whether they have been refuted or not


I guess I missed this part of your post.

If refutation of potential evidence isn't grounds for non-inclusion in your lists, what possible use do they have?
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Re: Evidence List
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2008, 03:21:10 PM »
The only explanation I've seen was Tom's gravitational pull of stars explanation, but you don't believe in gravitation
regardless of whether they have been refuted or not

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Re: Evidence List
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2008, 03:23:29 PM »
? I just want to know how you think they work.


Also, I'd like you to defend the "sane" Hampden
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    If your infernal thief of a husband is brought home some day on a hurdle, with every bone in his head smashed to a pulp, you will know the reason. Do you tell him from me he is a lying infernal thief, and as sure as his name is Wallace he never dies in his bed.

    You must be a miserable wretch to be obliged to live with a convicted felon. Do not think or let him think I have done with him.

    John Hampden

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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2008, 03:35:06 PM »
Also, I'd like you to defend the "sane" Hampden
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    If your infernal thief of a husband is brought home some day on a hurdle, with every bone in his head smashed to a pulp, you will know the reason. Do you tell him from me he is a lying infernal thief, and as sure as his name is Wallace he never dies in his bed.

    You must be a miserable wretch to be obliged to live with a convicted felon. Do not think or let him think I have done with him.

    John Hampden

Cool. Can I get some falsifiable evidence that he wrote the letter? I've seem similar slurring letters in print in a few Flat-Earth history books, but I'm still waiting for someone to demonstrate that they weren't forged by ARW himself (who has a vested interest in defaming Hampden).
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Re: Evidence List
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2008, 03:40:39 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2008, 04:23:49 PM »
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/flat/flateart.htm

In depth research paper

I figured you'd copy-pasted the letter from FE:HoaII, but I guess I had too much faith in you. I reiterate with some boldage:

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Can I get some falsifiable evidence that he wrote the letter?
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Re: Evidence List
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2008, 04:48:53 PM »
Why isn't photographic evidence counted?  I'm betting you've never seen an emperor penguin, only pictures.  Do you doubt they exist?

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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2008, 05:48:37 PM »
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I figured you'd copy-pasted the letter from FE:HoaII, but I guess I had too much faith in you. I reiterate with some boldage:

If you have a source with the same letter that you believe why are you getting upset. He wrote the letter. He never denied it.

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Re: Evidence List
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2008, 06:03:05 PM »
Why isn't photographic evidence counted?  I'm betting you've never seen an emperor penguin, only pictures.  Do you doubt they exist?

Yes. Unless I have seen the evidence first hand I cannot know whether something exists.

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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2008, 06:04:30 PM »
Why isn't photographic evidence counted?  I'm betting you've never seen an emperor penguin, only pictures.  Do you doubt they exist?

Yes. Unless I have seen the evidence first hand I cannot know whether something exists.

You...doubt...that Emperor Penguins...exist?!

WTF?

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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2008, 06:08:18 PM »
Photographic evidence = evidence, Tom. If you see the photos first hand, you see the evidence first hand. But that's a bit semantic :P

So what is your current state of belief regarding penguins? Do you think they don't exist, or are you in some sort of strange limbo?

What would it take to prove to you that they actually don't exist? Would you have to see every part of the world at once, to verify that infact the entire planet is penguinless?

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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2008, 06:09:58 PM »
If you have a source with the same letter that you believe why are you getting upset. He wrote the letter. He never denied it.

I don't understand.

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Yes. Unless I have seen the evidence first hand I cannot know whether something exists.
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You...doubt...that Emperor Penguins...exist?!

WTF?

Let's not get into this kind of messy falsification debate. Any scientist or philosopher worth his salt realizes that any "knowledge" is impossible to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt. Science, in its broadest, most metaphysical sense, is an expression of the degree of likelyhood, for want of a better term, assigned to any given statement.
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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2008, 06:10:41 PM »
Photographic evidence = evidence, Tom. If you see the photos first hand, you see the evidence first hand. But that's a bit semantic :P

So what is your current state of belief regarding penguins? Do you think they don't exist, or are you in some sort of strange limbo?

What would it take to prove to you that they actually don't exist? Would you have to see every part of the world at once, to verify that infact the entire planet is penguinless?

"Lurk more". Search function photographic evidence.
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Re: Evidence List
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2008, 06:12:20 PM »
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Yes. Unless I have seen the evidence first hand I cannot know whether something exists.
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You...doubt...that Emperor Penguins...exist?!

WTF?

Let's not get into this kind of messy falsification debate. Any scientist or philosopher worth his salt realizes that any "knowledge" is impossible to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt. Science, in its broadest, most metaphysical sense, is an expression of the degree of likelyhood, for want of a better term, assigned to any given statement.

Yes, but most people are pretty sure, like 99.9% sure that Emperor Penguins exist.

Why?  We have movies, photographs, study of their behavior.

Yes, you could doubt that penguins exist, but it would be foolish to do so.

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Re: Evidence List
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2008, 06:14:34 PM »
I've seen emperor penguins.  Mwa ha ha
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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2008, 06:21:38 PM »
"Lurk more". Search function photographic evidence.

Photographic evidence is evidence. That's axiomatic. That's not to say it can't be faked-- anything can be faked. Even our own direct observations can be wrong (very often, according to the FE explanations for sunsets, things sinking below the horizon, etc etc).

I was pointing out mainly that Tom should choose his words more carefully, because what he probably really wanted to say was that he'd need to see the thing in question in order to believe in it-- not see evidence. Because no evidence is infallible and unfalsifiable.

And since he'd need eyes-on evidence, how would he ever be satisfied that something doesn't exist? It's impossible to positively confirm the non-existence of something. Unless you're omniscient. Most of us don't live in a state of suspended belief about whether unicorns exist, but he would have to.

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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2008, 09:04:12 PM »
I've seen emperor penguins.  Mwa ha ha

That's not falsifiable. He could be part of the Fake the Emperor Penguins Conspiracy.
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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2008, 09:10:04 PM »
Dogplatter once claimed that dinosaurs built ships and sailed across oceans.

That was round about the same time I absolutely had to join this site.
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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2008, 09:22:56 PM »
I've seen emperor penguins.  Mwa ha ha

That's not falsifiable. He could be part of the Fake the Emperor Penguins Conspiracy.

True.

I think theres a picture of one of them in here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/JohnEricDavis/SouthAmerica
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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2008, 09:37:00 AM »
Yes. He is.

*Real Note* -- Those don't look like emperors...they look more like an islander penguin like the adelaide. I don't think those are adelaide, but I don't think they look like emperor penguins...What are you trying to pull on us?
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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2008, 11:33:48 AM »
Why isn't photographic evidence counted?  I'm betting you've never seen an emperor penguin, only pictures.  Do you doubt they exist?

Yes. Unless I have seen the evidence first hand I cannot know whether something exists.
So, since you have no eyes, nothing exists?
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